🇮🇱🇵🇸 The Israel-Palestine Politics Thread II

[MrCandy]

The Palestinians are already being sanctioned, their political groups are isolated, and they are dependent on foreign aid. It's time we sanction the Israelis, no more military aid, no more economic aid if they continue to build settlements and choose to ethnically cleanse more territory, they are always given a slap on the wrist. Instead a vocal condemnation should be replaced with hard hitting sanctions.

If we (The western world) chooses not to take proactive steps, this conflict will linger and the Palestinians will be ethnically cleansed and more extremism will be the end result. Historically this can not end well for the Israelis either. They can't live in an island around hostile countries around them forever. Eventually the nations around them who have more resources and eventually more economic development will put pressure on them. Those refugees they kicked out in the millions will influence the politics of the countries around them and the animosity will continue until there is a real balance through bloodshed.

They say allowing Palestinians back would be national suicide, but letting the hatred and war crimes grow will eventually lead to them become no different than the fascists that made them flee to begin with.

Sanctions on Israel will never happen, especially with the Middle East on fire in Syria/Iraq/Libya. ISIS taking over Baghdad and all of Syria is a very real possibilities(especially after the major twin victories ISIS had this week in Syria and Iraq), and Israel is our #1 military ally in the region and they share a lot of intelligence with us.

 

[Destructus86]

Things are going to get insane if ISIS reaches Israel. We're talking a whole new level of *****storm. :/ I wouldn't put it past Israel to use...extreme measures if they are pushed into a corner.

 

[regwec]

Israel would crush ISIS. ISIS are fat bearded rapists and perverts against whom the Iraqi army has shown little inclination to fight. The sooner someone with a clear sense of moral duty slays them all, the better.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Iraqi Army is more like the South Vietnamese Army during the Vietnam Army. Plagued with corruption and unable to fight a simple enemy on its own and without American aid. The Israeli military on the other hand is a far more competent military fighting force.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Sanctions on Israel will never happen, especially with the Middle East on fire in Syria/Iraq/Libya. ISIS taking over Baghdad and all of Syria is a very real possibilities(especially after the major twin victories ISIS had this week in Syria and Iraq), and Israel is our #1 military ally in the region and they share a lot of intelligence with us.

ISIS is no threat to Israel. If anything, Israel is a threat to Syria; they have already stolen land from that country before.

 

[hippie_hunter]

While I think that Israel would prevail in a fight against ISIS, I do think that ISIS is a genuine threat against Israel.

 

[MrCandy]

ISIS is no threat to Israel. If anything, Israel is a threat to Syria; they have already stolen land from that country before.

Not at the moment, but if the Assad regime collapses, Islamic State's next target will likely be Lebanon(Hezbollah has been in Syria helping Assad for years) and Jordan once every Shia Muslim, Christian, and Alawite community in Syria is nothing but a graveyard of charred and beheaded corpses. I don't think the US and especially Israel would be ok with ISIS in Lebanon and Jordan.

 

[Man of Steel]

I support Israel. I do not support Israel's policies of discrimination and racism towards the Palestinians. I think that our support of Israel should be conditional upon their treatment of the Palestinians as full and equal members of Israeli society, with the same rights and protections extended to them as to all other Israelis. I support a one-state solution, since two-state is no longer workable.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If the Assad regime collapses, there are still other factions within Syria. There are various rebel groups within Syria that are fighting the Assad regime ranging from fractured Syrian Revolutionary Council, which includes Islamists, secularists, moderates, etc.; the al-Nursa Front, a branch of al-Qaeda which opposes ISIS, minorities like the ones you mention that aren't ever going to bow to ISIS, the Kurds, etc.

The moment that the Assad regime collapses (which is inevitable at this point IMO), ISIS is still in no position to just go straight into Lebanon and Jordan for many reasons. There is still fighting in Iraq that they have going on, which is a far harder fight due to the United States, Iran, and the Gulf States being more united on how to approach Iraq. Unlike Syria where support between the Assad regime and other rebel groups are split, the international community is rather united in supporting the Iraqi government.

And going into Lebanon and Jordan is not as easy as you think it is. Israel, the United States, and the Gulf States aren't just going to let Jordan fall. They will be far more defensive of Jordan than they ever were of Iraq. Jordan shares a border with Israel. Jordan is a very reliable ally to the United States, far more than Iraq. And the Gulf States view Jordan as one of their own. And Israel and Iran aren't going to tolerate ISIS in Lebanon either, for very different reasons of course.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Jordan probably has the best army after Israel, relative to size, in equipment, training, and organization. ISIS isn't ready for Jordan.

ISIS is a threat to Israel, but not a direct threat yet. I could see them moving into Lebanon, but that certainly won't go unnoticed by Israel and Jordan.

If the Israelis start bombing the **** out ISIS with Arab consent, they're screwed. They know that, which is probably why they have left Israel alone.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I would say that the militaries of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates are more powerful than Jordan. While Jordan has a very professional military, in the end, it is still very reliant on foreign support (particularly the United States) and they do have a lot of out-of-date Anglo-American equipment. Jordan would be no pushover the way the Assad regime and Iraqi government were, but they would have some difficulties. Also, Israel, the United States, and the Gulf States would more likely be far more protective of Jordan than they were of Syria and Iraq.

 

[MrCandy]

Good up to date map of the Syria war as of yesterday.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I'll state again, ISIS is not a considerable threat to Israel.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Just another day in the best US/EU supported democracy...

Israeli Security Forces expel Palestinians from pool so Israeli Settlers can Swim

B'Tselem’s investigation found that at about 2:00 P.M., hundreds of settlers arrived at the pool accompanied by dozens of soldiers, Border Police, and representatives of the Civil Administration (CA). The security forces ordered the Palestinian bathers to leave the pool and remain on the edge of the park. They allowed the settlers, however, free and exclusive use of the rest of the park. At about 5:30 P.M., the settlers and the security forces left the area.

Source: http://m.btselem.org/south_hebron_hills/20150604_birkat_al_karmel

 

[Marvolo]

Racist ****ers!

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Tell us what you really think...

Wife of an Israeli minister Silvan Shalom sent this not so subtle racist joke today:

 

[regwec]

I'm not sure it's really racist. It is, however, feeble.

 

[DeadPresident]

Obvious proof of the long standing suspicion that all Israelis are fanatical racists.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Ethnic Cleansing Continues: Israeli Authorities Planning to Erase another Palestinian Village to expand Jewish Only Settlement

Jabour stated that the Palestinians rejected the Israeli plan to displace and relocate them, so that Tel Aviv can build and expand its illegal Jewish-only settlements. In addition, the Israeli army informed the lawyer, who represents the villagers in Susiya, that it intends to demolish some structures, including residential areas, after Eid al-Fitr Muslim holiday.

Link: http://www.imemc.org/article/72224

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Obvious proof of the long standing suspicion that all Israelis are fanatical racists.

Meanwhile in Israel

Racist Youth Parade on Video



Racists Rampaging through Israel

Source: https://www.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511

A soldier poses with "Vengeance" written on his chest (Photo from The People of Israel Demand Vengeance/Facebook via)

Bibi got his wish. Over the weeks that followed, videos began to emerge almost daily of right-wing mobs roving across cities from Jerusalem to Beer Sheva, waving Israeli flags and screaming “Death to Arabs!”

Many ended in physical assaults. Last Thursday two Palestinian men were attacked on Jaffer Street in West Jerusalem as they delivered food to a grocery market. The following day two more Palestinians, Amir Shwiki and Samer Mahfouz, were beaten unconscious in the Eastern part of the city by a gang of 30 young Israelis wielding sticks and metal bars.

On a side note, no Israelis were ever investigated or charged

 

[Taarna]

While I think that Israel would prevail in a fight against ISIS, I do think that ISIS is a genuine threat against Israel.

Depends on how you define genuine threat. To use terrorism and kill, ISIS is a threat to anyone.

To impact them financially, or military, not a chance unless then have WMD’s…and thank God they do not.

Israel military ( Air and land ) is excellent, and is not restrained by politics / ethics if they were attacked with an organized force. Israel knows it terrain well, and how to attack and defend it.

Israel quickly won a war in 1974 vs. Egypt and Syria, who had combat support vs. no less than 5 other Arab nations. ISIS does not have this type of power.

Estimates say they have 30,000 men, most of which really do not have the type of stuff to stop air attacks or attacks from tanks or heavy artillery.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Israelis stabbing other Israelis who look like Palestinians

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.680298

When the assailant tried to flee the scene — outside the city’s Ikea store — after the stabbing, a security guard shot at him. One bullet hit a bystander, grazing the man’s arm.

And another:

Stabbed Israeli Jew mistaken for Arab criticises violence

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-mistaken-arab-lashes-out-escalating-violence


An Israeli Jew stabbed by a Jewish man who believed he was an Arab has criticised the recent violence from his hospital bed.

Uri Rezken was stacking shelves in a Haifa suburb on Tuesday when he was stabbed in the back, the latest in a series of suspected vigilante attacks.

“We are all human beings, we are all equal,” the supermarket worker told Israeli TV. “It does not matter if an Arab stabbed me or a Jew stabbed me, a religious, orthodox or secular person. I have no words to describe this hate crime.”

 

[Taarna]

The USA's best allies is a short list. Isreal is one of them. Obama has greatly torn some bonds between Isreal and the USA.

Obama's Iran deal was terrible. He ( Obama ) refuses to call Terrorism by its name. More? Obama said Isreal should go back to the 1967 borders.

It has come to this. Isreal now shares intelligence with Russia, to help get rid of ISIS.

 

[Marvolo]

The USA's best allies is a short list. Isreal is one of them. Obama has greatly torn some bonds between Isreal and the USA.

Obama's Iran deal was terrible. He ( Obama ) refuses to call Terrorism by its name. More? Obama said Isreal should go back to the 1967 borders.

It has come to this. Isreal now shares intelligence with Russia, to help get rid of ISIS.

The Iran deal wasnt solely Obama's. It was a multinational deal amongst multiple nations and diplomats. And before the US could participate in the deal with any sort of effectiveness it had to be approved in congress.

But I know details like that are meaningless to you so go ahead putting everything at Obama's feet. If you want to give the president credit for a good deal Im sure he wont mind.

If you want to inform yourself about the deal instead of just continually *****ing about something you seem to know very little about read the breakdown of the deal at this link:

https://m.whitehouse.gov/issues/foreign-policy/iran-deal

As for Isreal, our ties with them have been strained by Bibi and his incessant warmongering. And yes Isreal should go back to their 1967 borders. All land they gained through illegal expansion and crimes against humanity should be forfeited.

They also need to remember that they need us a lot more than we will ever need them.

 

[Taarna]

The Iran deal wasnt solely Obama's. It was a multinational deal amongst multiple nations and diplomats. And before the US could participate in the deal with any sort of effectiveness it had to be approved in congress.

But I know details like that are meaningless to you so go ahead putting everything at Obama's feet. If you want to give the president credit for a good deal Im sure he wont mind.

If you want to inform yourself about the deal instead of just continually *****ing about something you seem to know very little about read the breakdown of the deal at this link:

https://m.whitehouse.gov/issues/foreign-policy/iran-deal

As for Isreal, our ties with them have been strained by Bibi and his incessant warmongering. And yes Isreal should go back to their 1967 borders. All land they gained through illegal expansion and crimes against humanity should be forfeited.

They also need to remember that they need us a lot more than we will ever need them.

It was Obama's choice to make the deal and the USA gave Iran too much. Obama could not even bring home hostages, and Iran gets 20+ days before an inspection can be called? What is the point of an inspection then? Oh sure trust Iran. They lie like the rug

Bibi warmongering you say? His nation is under attack by various groups. Iran by the way who burns our flags and chants death makes no bones about the total destruction of Isreal, our ally.

It never ends. Actually I admire Bibi's restraint. What would happen if say Mexico was attacking the South Western USA? They would be very sorry, yet the Gaza strip, who voted for a war, by the way, remains a safe haven for Iran's proxy wars.

Man--put your Democratic card down and see what's happening. No need to protect Obama or Kerry. History will judge this deal as a bad one.