"1" Change You'd Make For Spidey 3!

[TrueBeliever]

Whoopsie. Double post.

 

[TrueBeliever]

<Takes deep breath>

Find a better way than crappy dancing to show Peter's "bad side"

This more or less showed Peter's "Baaaaaaaddddd" side, where "Bad" means "Funky!!"

If they really wanted to keep the scene, maybe they could've montaged it with actual footage of Symbiote Spidey doing the bad things he was only photographed doing.

Sandman IS NOT Ben's killer.

Uh, yeah. What the heck?

Lazyness.

No dance scenes, or at least the one at the Jazz Club. It was unessessary and screwed up the tone of the movie.

At first sight of this, I thought to myself, "please let Pete be dreaming". Then I ended up praying, "Please lete ME be dreaming..."

Quoted for truth, unfortunately.

(Also, your name rocks.)

I'd probably tell Raimi not to throw in Venom just for fan praise (which is basically what Arad suggested to do ), but to save him for a meaningful and deep main role as a villain. He wasn't explored enough, and I'll be damned if I say justice was done to his character. -- And I'm saying this as someone who loves the first two films so much that I
was nearly moved to tears by how beautiful and perfect they were.

There are a LOT of other things I'd say, but I think that sums up my strongest concern.

It truly did not appear that Rami had as much love for Venom as he did for the other villains. Even Sandman looked like some serious thought was put into his development (save him being involved in Uncle Ben's death...) but starting with the meteorite landing yards from Peter's bike, Venom's story felt pasted in from the get-go.

It is simply not true that "nothing would ever happen if it weren't for coincidences". Unless they are farcical comedies, most movies don't use coincidences very much. The Godfather, Cool Hand Luke, Goodfellas, Dog Day Afternoon, Raging Bull, etc etc, did not rely on coincidences, at least not much. Casablanca had one big one, and it was pointed out as such. Coincidence is not needed to make a plot move along. That is lazy writing. Am I supposed to believe that the man who is praying for Spider-Man's death just happens to be in a church (out of hundreds of churches in the city) at the exact moment that Spider-Man is in the steeple ridding himself of the alien costume that in a one in a billion chance happened to land next to Peter Parker (for no apparent reason). Also, the guy who is after Peter's job just happens to be dating Peter's lab partner who just happens to be the daughter of the police captain who informs Peter of the the real identity of Uncle Ben's killer, and Peter's lab partner also happens to need Spider-Man to save her, and she just happens to show up at the restaurant on the very night Peter is proposing..........ONE of these coincidences would be okay, but the plot was chock full of them. Lazy.

This person knows what they're talking about.

For the most part...

I've seen the responses and agree that some of the coincidences were taken from the comics themselves. However, the writers didn't put as much care into having these "coincidences" slide together. When I saw the meteorite land, I just went, "...Okay. We'll just see where they're going with this." (After the first film, I'd already decided the Movie Spider-Man was in a universe all on its own rather than an attempt to film the already established Spider-Man universe stories.)

And I didn't notice Eddie was actually FOLLOWING Peter and Gwen to the Jazz club until Dodus mentioned it. But again, I watched that and saw it more as another coincidence like, "what the heck was he doing there?!". It makes sense now and the church WAS across the street, but a few more seconds of shots could've laid this out better.

The fact that a Highschool was taking a fieldtrip through a Radiation/Genetic facility as one of the test spiders gets free is a coincidence. Throughout Spidey's history, we're asked to "go with" certain coincidences. Stan Lee based Spider-Man in New York rather than "Big City USA" (like Batman and Superman) to evoke a sense of realism. He took care laying out a story where a teenage kid could possibly defeat a man with eight appendages and then be home in time for his Aunt's meatloaf. When taking 40 years of coincidences or even a comic arch's worth, the writers should've been more cautious as to how this story was to fit together. As fans, the minute we look at the cover of a comic, we know to suspend a good amount of disbelief before flipping through the pages. But I truly believe the writers Spidey 3 asked too much of us. And when you couple the movie's wacky coincidences with other "quirky" plot points (Peter dancing, to name one or two), it doesn't help the writer's case at all.

Again; A meteorite from "somwhere in outer space" landed on Earth, in New York, in Central Park, yards from where Peter and Mary Jane were making out. Why not have a flashback show the symbiote traveling back with samples from Jameson's space exploration we'd known about since the second movie? Then find a simple way for Peter or Spidey to end up at the same facility where the material is being tested?

They could've shown a little more of Eddie's distain for Parker and explained why he was following him. Maybe he wanted to see just how Parker got such great shots of Spider-Man. We'd see Brock watch Peter make an a** of himself at the Jazz Club then--

--Wait. No, better yet we watch him follow Peter to a scene of a crime, but somehow lose Peter (in a crowd or something). Eddie watches Symbiote Spidey land and devastate a gang so badly, Spidey realizes what the Symbiote is doing to him and flees the scene. Eddie THEN follows Spidey to the church, and the rest is history. I'd rather see that then watch a grown man weep and pray for God's to smite a man as if that's what He's up there for...

When i watch stories like Spider-Man 3 get *cough*million dollar budgets, it truly encourages me to continue with film school...

i would have tried having venon turm mary jane into a symbiote to get at pete.
not in the books true but i'd wondered why he never tried that

Welllll... Not quite. But I thought Venom could've done everything Harry Osborn did as part of one big scheme to "humiliate" Peter Parker.

Back when I was originally promoting Topher as "Eddie/Venom", I said it was the fact that Eddie could get close to Peter's friends and family AND had the crazy mindset to then eat their spleens that terrified Peter more than Venom's size. Just imagining Peter going to visit Aunt May and finding Eddie there, sitting and eating cookies with milk would completely Ruin his night.

I thought the final fight would show Venom dangling Spider-Man from the rooftop, without his mask on (most likely Peter's fault for taking it off...), so that the annoying reporters and 9 year old kids could possibly snap photos, revealing Peter. ...Yeah, I borrowed that from the TV show.

...But no. We had an "Ultimate Team-Up" with GG and Spidey and Venom having Sandman do all the dirty work.

 

[spideydave]

One thing!? Funk that!


1) NO SANDMAN & VENOM just Harry as the villian and the symbiote

2) No mother Fugging dancing

3) Matt Dillon as Eddie Brock

4) Keep up with the times have this movie take place 3 years after the previous film

5) Start the film with Pete on his way to his own wedding but late because he's forced to battle Shocker and Electro


6) More Aunt May & JJ

 

[TrueBeliever]

Nahhh, I think they've advanced Peter's life far enough, SpideyDave.

I thought it was odd that they had him already graduate before fighting any villains. I'm pretty sure in the (original) comics, he'd fought Doc Ock and Green Goblin, and a slew of others before graduating high school.

I also wish we could've seen more of Peter's relationships.

To put him right before his wedding would be moving us along too fast, IMO.

 

[spideydave]

True maybe they should ahve already been engaged in this film then

 

[Sean Adisano]

Oh, and Venom should not say something like "I am Venom", but rather, "WE" are Venom"!!

he actually said "i am venom" in the movie? i saw the movie 4 times an didn't hear that once!!!!!

 

[Eggyman]

He doesn't say it in the film. He only says it in the novelization.

 

[BruceBanner]

Nahhh, I think they've advanced Peter's life far enough, SpideyDave.

I thought it was odd that they had him already graduate before fighting any villains. I'm pretty sure in the (original) comics, he'd fought Doc Ock and Green Goblin, and a slew of others before graduating high school.

I also wish we could've seen more of Peter's relationships.

To put him right before his wedding would be moving us along too fast, IMO.

Yeah, starting off the franchise with him on his way into college stead of only in high school sucks. But I guess they felt Tobey Maguire was too old to play Pete at only 15 or 16 like he was when he first appeared. But skipping over all his other relationships and treating Gwen like dirt sucks.

 

[Punisher RULES]

More VENOM
or
NO dancing

Same here!

 

[xwolverine2]

tie kirsten dunst to a heavy chair

 

[Bat Attack]

No dance sequences, the end titles would have webbing (they got lazy this time and just gave up.)

 

[BruceBanner]

It wasn't the end credits that disappointed me, it was the lack of imagination in the opening titles.

 

[spideydave]

ALSO: Have Harry stay evil no Friggin team up nonsense. I would end the movie with MJ leaving Peter and moving to California saying shes not ready to be Spider-mans wife (like she did in the comics) And also The Symbiote bonding with with Eddie Brock in the last shot

 

[BruceBanner]

ALSO: Have Harry stay evil no Friggin team up nonsense.

Thing is, in the comics, Harry does redeem himself and save Peter's life before he kicks it.

 

[Robotchicken]

1 change..no sandman

 

[WalterKovacs]

either no venom or have michael chabon come back to write the script

 

[Grievous]

no little kids talking during the final fight.

 

[BruceBanner]

1 change..no sandman

No Sandman?

 

[BruceBanner]

have michael chabon come back to write the script

Great idea.

 

[Anwar]

I don't get why everyone thinks that just because John Jameson the astronaut was introduced in the second moive, it HAD to be because they were going to use him for Venom.

John Jameson has been a part of the Spider-Man universe since the VERY FIRST ISSUE OF THE FIRST SPIDEY COMIC! He never had anything to do with Venom! That was just from the cartoon that they used him!

If they used John for Venom, it would've caused too many problems and not enough solutions:

- If John was used, they'd have to cover the whole John/MJ thing from SM2. The writers consider the John/MJ thing done forever and having served its purpose, so using him would make them drudge up a storyline they didn't want to drudge up

- A whole sequence of the shuttle mission being in space, finding the symbiote, being attacked by it and crashing the shuttle would take 40 minutes out of the movie. That's 40 minutes you just WASTED on explaining where the friggin goo came from!

- The whole shuttle thing wouldn't add anything to the movie. It would just be there for Venom's origin, and that's it. In the 90s cartoon the shuttle was the catalyst for the entire story. It brought Venom to Earth, it allowed Brock to frame Spidey, it gave Jameson what he needed to put the 1 million dollar reward on Spidey which angered him and allowed the suit to control him. It gave him lots of mercenaries to fight and gave us Rhino and Shocker as part of the Kingpin/Prometheum X plot.

In the movie version, we'd get NONE of that, becuase NYC is supposed to love Spidey by this movie so the framing thing couldn't be done. So that means you just did an expensive shuttle sequence and wasted 40 minutes on NOTHING aside from Venom's origin.

The meteor was fast and simple: It's something from space.

 

[omid17]

I don't get why everyone thinks that just because John Jameson the astronaut was introduced in the second moive, it HAD to be because they were going to use him for Venom.

John Jameson has been a part of the Spider-Man universe since the VERY FIRST ISSUE OF THE FIRST SPIDEY COMIC! He never had anything to do with Venom! That was just from the cartoon that they used him!

If they used John for Venom, it would've caused too many problems and not enough solutions:

- If John was used, they'd have to cover the whole John/MJ thing from SM2. The writers consider the John/MJ thing done forever and having served its purpose, so using him would make them drudge up a storyline they didn't want to drudge up

- A whole sequence of the shuttle mission being in space, finding the symbiote, being attacked by it and crashing the shuttle would take 40 minutes out of the movie. That's 40 minutes you just WASTED on explaining where the friggin goo came from!

- The whole shuttle thing wouldn't add anything to the movie. It would just be there for Venom's origin, and that's it. In the 90s cartoon the shuttle was the catalyst for the entire story. It brought Venom to Earth, it allowed Brock to frame Spidey, it gave Jameson what he needed to put the 1 million dollar reward on Spidey which angered him and allowed the suit to control him. It gave him lots of mercenaries to fight and gave us Rhino and Shocker as part of the Kingpin/Prometheum X plot.

In the movie version, we'd get NONE of that, becuase NYC is supposed to love Spidey by this movie so the framing thing couldn't be done. So that means you just did an expensive shuttle sequence and wasted 40 minutes on NOTHING aside from Venom's origin.

The meteor was fast and simple: It's something from space.

this movie was had way too much stuff happening at the same time. and the action wasn't great at all

 

[Anwar]

If they did any other type of origin for Venom, it would've taken up like 30 to 40 minutes of the movie, and if they used the "Cancer suit" origin the fanboys would be up in arms, and also it's a crappy origin.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

he actually said "i am venom" in the movie? i saw the movie 4 times an didn't hear that once!!!!!

Yes, the name Venom was never actually mentioned in the movie. You mistook what I was trying to say. I simply used the example of "WE" compared to "I". The fact that the movie never even mentioned his name at all was truly prideless. As far as seeing the movie four times, more power to you chum. Once was more than enough to me. And I collect this character! "SHEESH"!!!

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

Keep Venom for 4, give him a decent screech, and when i say screech i mean growl like 90s cartoon. Dont have him team up with ppl! Say we instead of I.

DO-NOT-HAVE-TOPHER-GRACE-PLAY-HIM! I felt like i was watching a re run of that 70's show. I am sorry Topher is a bad actor, he didnt try to create and personify the character of eddie. He played Eric Forman, the reporter who gets a symbiot. It was aggravating, Just go back to his scenes, watch them, then watch that 70s show. Same Acting...

It's not that I think Topher is a bad actor, I simply think he is totally miscast for the role of "Venom". Eddie Brock is supposed to be big and buff. At least twice Parker's size and taller. This has always given him an even more intimidating edge over Peter. As far as the rest of your objections, I couldn't agree more. Whether it be Venom, Sandman, Doctor Doom, or Galactus, the suits behind these flicks just can't seem to respect nor realize the great properties they own. It's times like these where I wish someone like Stan Lee had more pull on development. Either way, Venom shows (*among other things*) that Raimi didn't get it, didn't care, or both. (*hey, he's loaded. So what the hell*) It's time to fire his ass and move onto another director that will start fresh and actually care about what he's doing.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

1 change..no sandman

You know, Sandman is really a great classic Spidey villian. Or should I say "WAS" until Sam Shaimi got his hands on him. Visually he looked incredible. Unfortunately, his motives and character were totally ludicrous. He did not kill Uncle Ben. I felt no sympathy for his plight, being his daughter is ill (*get a job then bum*) He would not of turned his back on Venom. And yet he's one more villian/ New Yorker that knows who Spider-Man really is. (*by this time you'd think everyone knows since he can't keep his mask on*) On a possitive note, maybe he has better dance moves that evil Peter Parker..