2007 NCAA Football Thread

[rdh007]

Don't complain. You could have ended up with Miles.

But...but...I believe--d!?

 

[FaT_tONle]

The only reason why Hawaii isn't playing in the BCS is because they can't bring in ratings or sell tickets... the schedule is just the lame ass excuse... EVERYONE has two losses... how can Hawaii be justifiably left out? That's why we'll never have a final four/playoff in CF. Because the presidents are greedy f**ks that need the extra change... that's why Kansas is in over Missouri... no one from Missouri is gonna pay do go down to the Orange Bowl after blowing a chance to get into the title game... the fact the Jayhawks were such a feel good story... their fans will be more willing to pay for tickets and rekindle the magic they had for the majority of this season.

 

[Fran]

Boston College favored by 3.5 points against MSU.

That sounds fair, and I hope we beat the hell out of them, after seeing their fans in the BC forums.

 

[Panophobia]

Also...

Hawaii deserves to be in the BCS Championship more than LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, USC and Virgina Tech.

No, they don't.

The only reason why Hawaii isn't playing in the BCS is because they can't bring in ratings or sell tickets... the schedule is just the lame ass excuse... EVERYONE has two losses... how can Hawaii be justifiably left out? That's why we'll never have a final four/playoff in CF. Because the presidents are greedy f**ks that need the extra change... that's why Kansas is in over Missouri... no one from Missouri is gonna pay do go down to the Orange Bowl after blowing a chance to get into the title game... the fact the Jayhawks were such a feel good story... their fans will be more willing to pay for tickets and rekindle the magic they had for the majority of this season.

Hawaii shouldn't be in the BCS because of their ratings and not because of their schedule? Honestly, have you ever looked at their schedule? It's a wonder they made a BCS bowl, let alone the National Title! They'd have to be a horrible team to lose to any of the teams they played (except Boise State, I suppose.)

 

[FaT_tONle]

No, they don't.



Hawaii shouldn't be in the BCS because of their ratings and not because of their schedule? Honestly, have you ever looked at their schedule? It's a wonder they made a BCS bowl, let alone the National Title! They'd have to be a horrible team to lose to any of the teams they played (except Boise State, I suppose.)

If there was ever a year to do it... this was it... that's all I am saying... the fact is... almost 50% of teams it I-A are shut out because of the conference they are in... and won't have a chance to play for a championship until we get some type of playoff... its not about matching up the best two teams... its about matching up the most deserving now... and you can't tell me Hawaii was no less deserving of playing in that game than an LSU.

 

[BlackLantern]

LSU basically gets a home game to play for the national championship. That whole place is going to be filled with purple and gold

 

[Fran]

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[Mister J]

'fire posted this a few days ago. Best way of doing college playoffs, I've seen.

Agreed. That settles it all. Automatic bids for all conferences and still plenty of at-large spots to round it out.

 

[Addendum]

I've yet to hear a good reason NOT to have a playoff in Division 1 football. Division 2 and Division 3 schools have it with no problems. The playoff systems in other collegiate sports have existed for years with no problems.

 

[DarthRekal]

I've yet to hear a good reason NOT to have a playoff in Division 1 football. Division 2 and Division 3 schools have it with no problems. The playoff systems in other collegiate sports have existed for years with no problems.

 

[Kelly]

I've yet to hear a good reason NOT to have a playoff in Division 1 football. Division 2 and Division 3 schools have it with no problems. The playoff systems in other collegiate sports have existed for years with no problems.

And theres your difference......they've been that way for years....


The Bowl system has been like this for years....well except for the stupid coporate crapola.....its hard to change things that have been going on for decades....

Div 2, Div 3, don't miss the money they never had....nor will they ever have....

Basketball built the money around "March Madness" and it has built up over the years....

It's all about the $$$$$$$$ and as long as it is........it won't change.

 

[Addendum]

If it won't change, then the NCAA should create another division for those conferences that are not under the banner of the BCS and move those conferences there.

That way, those schools can have the chance to play for a national title, and the BCS schools can play for whatever the hell they play for.

It removes the obvious bias that exists in Division 1 football for the smaller conferences.

And there have been changes for things that have "gone on for decades", such as the creation of sports for female athletics, the breaking of the color barrier that existed in professional sport leagues and in college, for athletes, coaches and students.

 

[Mister J]

I thought the lawsuit that the non-BCS conferences filed a few years ago would shake things up. Their claim was that 'they didn't have access to the national championship' under the current system. Conveniently enough, they settled when it was agreed that a 5th BCS game would be added, with provisions for those conferences to be included (finishing in the top 12 or ahead of a BCS conference champion).

It was never about championships (Utah, Boise State and Hawaii were never even considered for such), but they do have access to an $11 Million BCS payday. I wondered what would have happened if they weren't so transparent.

 

[Addendum]

The bias stems from BYU winning the national championship in the 80's

 

[FaT_tONle]

I've yet to hear a good reason NOT to have a playoff in Division 1 football. Division 2 and Division 3 schools have it with no problems. The playoff systems in other collegiate sports have existed for years with no problems.

They want to keep it unique... don't get me wrong it's all about the cash... but an eight team playoff would water it down a bit... teams would rest players in a major rivalry game... OSU Michigan would have meant nothing last year... teams would be resting in their Conference Championship games if they are already mathmatically in the top eight win or lose. And by having only four teams in a "Final Four" pitted in two of the four BCS bowls... undefeated non BCS schools would still be left out. That's why a plus one doesn't work either... they either need to go to the eight teams (adding three games after the BCS Bowls) or leave it as it is. Frankly I don't see where you could fit in a final four with the conflicting NFL playoff games. Its not as easy as people think.

 

[Mister J]

Teams would NEVER rest their players for a rivalry game, which is near exclusively what takes place during the last week of the season. Georgia Tech clinched a spot in the ACC Championship game last year before their final contest. They had no remote chance of going to play for anything higher than the conference title and they still played as hard as they could against Georgia, not because it had anything to do with their BCS positioning, but rather because it meant everything to anyone who put on that uniform.

There's no way coaches sit out their starters for OSU/Michigan, Florida/Florida State, Clemson/South Carolina, the Apple Cup, the Civil War or anything else. There's too much pride and competition in those games, built up over decades to just toss it away. Outside of the very real possibility of voters heavily penalizing a team for dogging it, the coaches, administration (and I'd like to believe) the players wouldn't entertain it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Teams would NEVER rest their players for a rivalry game, which is near exclusively what takes place during the last week of the season. Georgia Tech clinched a spot in the ACC Championship game last year before their final contest. They had no remote chance of going to play for anything higher than the conference title and they still played as hard as they could against Georgia, not because it had anything to do with their BCS positioning, but rather because it meant everything to anyone who put on that uniform.

There's no way coaches sit out their starters for OSU/Michigan, Florida/Florida State, Clemson/South Carolina, the Apple Cup, the Civil War or anything else. There's too much pride and competition in those games, built up over decades to just toss it away. Outside of the very real possibility of voters heavily penalizing a team for dogging it, the coaches, administration (and I'd like to believe) the players wouldn't entertain it.

Yes its not the pros... but you'd be a little naive to think Carr wouldn't have rested Hart and Henne if they were banged up if both teams were undefeated going into that game. That's beside the point... the game would be watered down... the game would have nothing to do with the national championship... only a big ten title and a preview of things to come. It would be watered down. What if USC had one loss and was guaranteed a spot in the Rose Bowl already? YOu telling me they are going to take that UCLA game seriously? The game would mean NOTHING. Same thing with OU and LSU... LSU already guaranteed a spot in the SEC title game... who gives a #### if they lose to Arkansas that week? Same thing with OU if they wrap up their division early. Every week doesn't turn into a must win... you can't deny that fact. Look at WVU... you think they'd be crying after that loss? Rich Rodriguez... "Oh no.... we lost to the Panthers in the Backyard Brawl... its over... I am sorry"... instead it would have been... "Its not how we wanted to end the season.... but hey... we are still in the Orange Bowl with a shot for a national title"... what WVU fan would still be crying then? I rest my case...

All the playoff lovers never take this into account... they always forget that the season IS the NCAA football tournament. You want an eight team playoff I can live with that... but they aren't going to scrap the bowls and seed 16 teams... if anything they'll add some games after the BCS bowls... but it would have to be three more games... and the scheduling would be difficult... it could be done... but it won't be done for some time. The univesities have made it clear that they don't want games after that first week of January... you want the final four done the Friday following New Year's? And then the final on the following Friday? You want it to be done the Saturday before Championship Sunday? That is just stretching the season out WAY TOO long.

 

[StorminNorman]

No, they don't.



Hawaii shouldn't be in the BCS because of their ratings and not because of their schedule? Honestly, have you ever looked at their schedule? It's a wonder they made a BCS bowl, let alone the National Title! They'd have to be a horrible team to lose to any of the teams they played (except Boise State, I suppose.)

Did you look at Kansas's schedule? Again: Kansas controlled their own destiny - so should of Hawaii.

Hawaii tried to schedule Michigan, they tried to schedule any major D-1 team - they all backed down. Don't punish them for other teams NOT scheduling them.

 

[Fran]

The four Heisman finalists are:

QB Tim Tebow - Florida
QB Colt Brennan - Hawaii
QB Chase Daniel - Mizzou
RB Darren McFadden - Ar-Kansas

Tebow.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

i wanna say Brennan...but Tebow was just so incredible this year

 

[Byrd Man]

Tebow should win it, but my bias sense tells me that McFadden will win it due to the fact that he's a junior on the way to the NFL.

 

[cookiva]

I want McFadden to win it.....but thats because I honestly dont like Tebow...

 

[Cmill216]

The four Heisman finalists are:

QB Tim Tebow - Florida
QB Colt Brennan - Hawaii
QB Chase Daniel - Mizzou
RB Darren McFadden - Ar-Kansas

Tebow.

The lack of Kevin Smith is complete and utter bull. Screw the system, man. Seriously.

 

[Byrd Man]

The lack of Kevin Smith is complete and utter bull. Screw the system, man. Seriously.

I agree with this one. I've only seen Smith play in one game, the Confrence USA champ game, but he beat that ass and his numbers alone earn him a trip to NYC.

 

[Immortalfire]

McFadden ftw!



In other news, Knowshon Moreno is SEC freshman of the year http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/uga/stories/2007/12/05/allsec_1206.html