The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - Part 11

[Nevincer]

The audio version of the prologue was quickly posted on youtube yesterday before it got taken down. Must say Banes voice sounds awesome, but without captions it might be a lil hard to understand him.

Very late on that one. The audio version was posted on like Sunday... there are two video versions of the prologue bootlegged and a trailer that are out there.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yeah, Nolan doesn't direct action scenes that are hard to follow. Nobody has ever complained about that.

This! Holy ****, THIS.

Calling a Nolan action scene Bay level would probably flatter the man.

Nolan isn't that great at the action. That's his weakest point. Ironicly, Nolan is great with story telling, and that is Bay's weakest point.

Michael Bay and Christopher Nolan seem to be some of the few directors working today that WANT to entertain people.

I don't care if you personally weren't entertained by Bay's films...but millions of people are. Same with Nolan. They both are experts in their crafts. Bay puts on a show, Nolan tells a tale.

People who say Bay is ruining cinema are wrong. Just as those who say Nolan is saving cinema.

So...can we end this debate? Christ.

 

[meee]

This! Holy ****, THIS.

Calling a Nolan action scene Bay level would probably flatter the man.

Nolan isn't that great at the action. That's his weakest point. Ironicly, Nolan is great with story telling, and that is Bay's weakest point.

Michael Bay and Christopher Nolan seem to be some of the few directors working today that WANT to entertain people.

I don't care if you personally weren't entertained by Bay's films...but millions of people are. Same with Nolan. They both are experts in their crafts. Bay puts on a show, Nolan tells a tale.

People who say Bay is ruining cinema are wrong. Just as those who say Nolan is saving cinema.

So...can we end this debate? Christ.

and didn't phister say nolan was a bay fan himself?

 

[CelticPredator]

He did indeed. Hence why Nolan would be flattered.

I doubt Nolan could've directed a scene as visually complex as the Chicago fight.

Nor do I think Bay could direct a scene as meaningful as the ending to Inception.

Two different things. But they admire each other. Go figure.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Who runs like that away from an explosion? Honestly?

Because it looks cool. It's a movie you know.

 

[meee]

He did indeed. Hence why Nolan would be flattered.

I doubt Nolan could've directed a scene as visually complex as the Chicago fight.

Nor do I think Bay could direct a scene as meaningful as the ending to Inception.

Two different things. But they admire each other. Go figure.

well put.

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

2 questions after seeing the leaked prologue

1) Why would Bane turn himself in to get to dr. Pavel?
Why this big plan if he just had to take the doctor before being put on the plane?
Did he hire those guys to deliver the CIA the doctor? If so, then it would make no sense because he could have just taken the doctor and then faked his death.
If he didn't hire those guys, then why didn't he attack them instead of the whole plane attack and escape?

2) Bane says: "No one cared who I was until I put on the mask"
This suggests that he didn't get his mask early (as a child in the fire), or is it just me? This line more suggests that he was a merc for years but finally got his fame and respect at the moment he put on that mask and people began to notice him (probably because the mask made him more like a freak - some attribute that made him more recognizable and later famous). So he didn't get his mask at an early age....?

 

[Marvin]

So far the award for best money shot for 2012 film trailers has to go to GI JOE for that dance number on the mountains.

Nolans football field seems to be suffering from an early cgi problem similar to the Spiderman video game scene. Nothing beats the TF3 superbowl spot in terms of money shot, not yet anyways.

I actually think it would have been pretty cool and just as dark if not more so if Bane just walk or rather ran out into the field with a desert eagle and shot down every foot ball star hoc helmet et all. The of course point the gun at his own head and cut to the next scene.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I honestly thought G.I Joe's moneyshot looked faker than the football stadium scene.

Bare in mind, I have no real problem with the stadium scene.

 

[oleander]

No, when you see Nolan cancel WB big batman project because a writing strike hits(ignoring the fact that he's partially responsible for scripting of course). Then you will have your comparison. At that time TDK Nolan simply wasn't that dude quite yet so I don't see him pulling rank no. But I get it, some people don't feel strong without a solid piece of writing backing them up. When you're making drama's that's the safe bet.

Well you're fundamental difference is ill informed. Apparently Bay has put numerous passion projects on the back burner one in particular during this whole successful TF ordeal. He might even be doing it for one more TF picture simple to get studio backing. I mean if that's your measure of cred than so be it.

Moreover the budget for Inception is a little wild as far as passion projects go nowadays but that's relative I suppose. Bays "passion project" is actually pretty cheap reports claim.

Either way, the two film directors have a lot in common as much dismay as that may bring to film fans.

I get what you're saying, but I don't feel like you're understanding me, so it still feels like we're at cross purposes here. Plus which, you know, thank you for: (1) taking "dream projects" and running with it and completely ignoring/dismissing the point I was making with bringing up Inception; and (2) the unprovoked jab at my being ill-informed when I had provided an original caveat of "to my understanding." As ever, that is extraordinarily conducive toward productive conversation.

I stand by my original assertion: Nolan is first and foremost a storyteller who uses film as the medium through which he tells the story, so even his technical mastery -- his dedication to IMAX, for instance -- is filtered through that lens. His focus (or vision, if you will) is inextricably tied to the script; that is what I mean when I say that I believe Nolan would never make a film without a script he believes in. That his films accomplish whatever accolades people throw at him -- that he is thought-provoking, entertaining, audacious, what-the-hell-ever -- I think it's important to keep in mind the fact that Nolan approaches film-making from a very clear perspective: how will this serve the story I'm trying to tell? And people respond to that: at the core of a good film, there is a good story.

That is not Michael Bay's approach. I think if Nolan can be called a storyteller, then Bay can probably be called an entertainer, because his films are enjoyable on a level that doesn't necessarily have much to do with the story at all. Film-making is a complicated process, and the primary brunt of his focus is clearly on aspects that are not necessarily the script -- which, yes, means that he's really good at directing action scenes, but there's the feeling that these big spectacular set pieces are for their own sake and not intended to necessarily serve the story in an integral way. And no, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, that it makes him a bad director, that it's ~insulting~ to mention Bay and Nolan in the same sentence -- I'm saying that they're very, very different directors. Both being able to deliver spectacle on the big screen doesn't make them similar, if they arrive at that result from entirely different points of departure.

(And you know what, all right, full disclosure: I'm not in the demographic that a Bay film targets. I get that. I think he's probably a misogynistic ******* but I have no qualms against his works, because it's not a crime to make films that don't cater to my tastes.)

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

2 questions after seeing the leaked prologue

............

2) Bane says: "No one cared who I was until I put on the mask"
This suggests that he didn't get his mask early (as a child in the fire), or is it just me? This line more suggests that he was a merc for years but finally got his fame and respect at the moment he put on that mask and people began to notice him (probably because the mask made him more like a freak - some attribute that made him more recognizable and later famous). So he didn't get his mask at an early age....?

THE BREATHING MECHANISM "He was injured early in his story. He's suffering from pain and he needs gas to survive. He can't survive the pain without the mask. The pipes from the mask go back along his jawline and feed into the thing at the back, where there are two cannisters of whatever it is -- the anesthetic"

THE TECH "His stuff has been made on the move over the mountains of the world. So there is a slightly clunky element to him, and that's a part of his story."

Quotes are from the costume designer, Lindy Hemming. "Early in his story" may or may not mean "early in his life," but I'm hoping that business of Ra's al Ghul, Talia, and Bane all having the same origin story are false rumors.

 

[hatebox]

I prefer Nolan's action scenes to Bay's for one simple reason: I actually give a damn about the characters involved in them.

 

[Bat-Gasm]

Wasn't Nolan quoted as liking Bay films? lol But I do agree with Oleander's post.

 

[babbage]

I prefer Nolan's action scenes to Bay's for one simple reason: I actually give a damn about the characters involved in them.

Took the words right out of my fingertips.

 

[def28]

I prefer Nolan's action scenes to Bay's for one simple reason: I actually give a damn about the characters involved in them.

Bay Directs the best action regardless. Nolans flicks in general are superior by far.

 

[paladinryan]

The fight at the end of Transformers One is harder to follow than any action scene Nolan's ever done.

 

[Anita18]

So far the award for best money shot for 2012 film trailers has to go to GI JOE for that dance number on the mountains.

Nolans football field seems to be suffering from an early cgi problem similar to the Spiderman video game scene. Nothing beats the TF3 superbowl spot in terms of money shot, not yet anyways.

I actually think it would have been pretty cool and just as dark if not more so if Bane just walk or rather ran out into the field with a desert eagle and shot down every foot ball star hoc helmet et all. The of course point the gun at his own head and cut to the next scene.

Er, we got the GI Joe trailer in HD right away. You're judging TDKR's money shot from a cell phone bootleg.

 

[DasFeuerSteigt]

I think it would be better if the reason for Bane's mask was only suggested. So when the CIA dude asks him if taking it off would kill him, instead of replying with "It would be extremely painful", he should not have answered.

I wonder if we will see Bane without his mask at any point. I had assumed that the shot of someone climbing out of the well was part of Bane's backstory we would see at the beginning, but then Nolan said they were going along the same lines as with the Joker and not making it an origin story, he just is that way when we meet him. I almost don't want to see him without the mask as it will add to the mystery.

 

[Syncope]

I think it would be better if the reason for Bane's mask was only suggested. So when the CIA dude asks him if taking it off would kill him, instead of replying with "It would be extremely painful", he should not have answered.

I wonder if we will see Bane without his mask at any point. I had assumed that the shot of someone climbing out of the well was part of Bane's backstory we would see at the beginning, but then Nolan said they were going along the same lines as with the Joker and not making it an origin story, he just is that way when we meet him. I almost don't want to see him without the mask as it will add to the mystery.

Only time we might see him mask-less is when he's dead. I'm assuming that's how Batman overcomes him but you can't be sure with Nolan.

 

[Keyser Soze]

1) Why would Bane turn himself in to get to dr. Pavel?
Why this big plan if he just had to take the doctor before being put on the plane?
Did he hire those guys to deliver the CIA the doctor? If so, then it would make no sense because he could have just taken the doctor and then faked his death.
If he didn't hire those guys, then why didn't he attack them instead of the whole plane attack and escape?

Because it wasn't about the doctor. It was about the CIA guys. He says on the plane, "We needed to find out what you knew." And when it turns out they know nothing, they can be killed.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I think it would be better if the reason for Bane's mask was only suggested. So when the CIA dude asks him if taking it off would kill him, instead of replying with "It would be extremely painful", he should not have answered.

I loved that exchange.

BANE: It would be extremely painful.
CIA GUY: You're a big boy, you can handle it.
BANE: Painful for you.

 

[Sharkboy]

Speak for yourself, I think the Inception hallway fight is better than anything in TF3, and this is coming from Michael Bay fan. His action scenes have kinda lost their touch thanks to CGI, I always thought this was his best one.

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Cheesiness be damned, this always hit the right notes for me, and it's a shame transformers lacked any sort of emotional resonance in their action scenes.

 

[StarLord]

I think it would be better if the reason for Bane's mask was only suggested. So when the CIA dude asks him if taking it off would kill him, instead of replying with "It would be extremely painful", he should not have answered.

We've gone over this a thousand times here.

Bane means it will be extremely painful... for the CIA agent.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I think, even after Nolan's trilogy is done and whatever series follows it begins, they should continue this new Batman movie tradition of the first scene debuting the villain in badass fashion and having them do something awful to a semi-big-name actor who you didn't know was going to show up in the movie until they appear in this one-scene cameo.

 

[Sharkboy]

I think, even after Nolan's trilogy is done and whatever series follows it begins, they should continue this new Batman movie tradition of the first scene debuting the villain in badass fashion and having them do something awful to a semi-big-name actor who you didn't know was going to show up in the movie until they appear in this one-scene cameo.

Sounds cool...but would become awfully gimmicky after a while.