The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[Anita18]

I am now. Because you're being insane. There are rules that are already set in way things are edited.

Sometimes things can be broken.

But from an editing standpoint, it is not good.

I feel like I'm reading something from a graphic designer who thinks that anything that doesn't use Helvetica sucks.

 

[The_Raganork]

Something odd plot wise:

If Bane was crashing the plane with the intent of it making it seem that he was never there or that the plane went down on its own.

How does he account for the multiple bullet wounds in the other army men?

 

[Bat-Mite]

I am now. Because you're being insane. There are rules that are already set in way things are edited.

Sometimes things can be broken.

But from an editing standpoint, it is not good.

In other words, you're so indoctrinated that you can't even accept anyone having an opinion that differs from yours. Christopher Nolan's movies aren't perfect, but the guy made a billion dollar movie. I think he's entitled to be unconventional now and then. If it becomes such a problem that the audience can't stand to watch his movies, they'll vote with their wallets.

 

[Anita18]

Something odd plot wise:

If Bane was crashing the plane with the intent of it making it seem that he was never there or that the plane went down on its own.

How does he account for the multiple bullet wounds in the other army men?

Or the wings and tail coming off that early? The wreckage from that would be miles from the rest of the fuselage.

If anything they're probably buying time.

 

[BestGirl]

Something odd plot wise:

If Bane was crashing the plane with the intent of it making it seem that he was never there or that the plane went down on its own.

How does he account for the multiple bullet wounds in the other army men?

Perhaps he's hoping that the CIA will believe that the prisoner they were transporting escaped and shot them all, downing the plane in the process. Or he's hoping that the bodies will be so damaged that no one will be able to reconstruct how they died.

 

[craigdbfan]

Perhaps he's hoping that the CIA will believe that the prisoner they were transporting escaped and shot them all, downing the plane in the process. Or he's hoping that the bodies will be so damaged that no one will be able to reconstruct how they died.

That's what I figured as well.

 

[The_Raganork]

Thats not a bad explanation at all Rachel

 

[paladinryan]

Something odd plot wise:

If Bane was crashing the plane with the intent of it making it seem that he was never there or that the plane went down on its own.

How does he account for the multiple bullet wounds in the other army men?

It could always look like there was a fight on board between his man and the CIA and then it crashed.

 

[AnneFan]

Perhaps he's hoping that the CIA will believe that the prisoner they were transporting escaped and shot them all, downing the plane in the process.

Yeah, probably. Anybody stumbling onto this wreckage would see it's not a typical loss of altitude type crash.

 

[Bats]

1. I love how students or people who dabble in editing know more (and better) than award-winning and clearly established filmmakers who they'll never work with someone even half their caliber.

2. I agree with Miranda about the CIA bodies. The plane crash would probably damage them so much that a bullet hole won't be noticed.

 

[TomServo]

Something odd plot wise:

If Bane was crashing the plane with the intent of it making it seem that he was never there or that the plane went down on its own.

How does he account for the multiple bullet wounds in the other army men?

Good point, never even thought about that. I had also wondered how it would look like the plane had just malfunctioned or something when the tail end was cleanly blown off by an explosion from the outside (I'm guessing if the CIA is involved they would notice such things). Who knows, it looks rad

 

[BestGirl]

Good point, never even thought about that. I had also wondered how it would look like the plane had just malfunctioned or something when the tail end was cleanly blown off by an explosion from the outside (I'm guessing if the CIA is involved they would notice such things). Who knows, it looks rad

They might assume the plane was tampered with by the LOS prior to takeoff, like the plane equivalent of a car bomb.

 

[serendipity]

If I had been the dude Bane said "They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother" to, I woulda been like **** no.

 

[Drunkard Esq.]

1. I love how students or people who dabble in editing know more (and better) than award-winning and clearly established filmmakers who they'll never work with someone even half their caliber.

I'm sure Nolan had opinions on established film-makers before he found success.

2. I agree with Miranda about the CIA bodies. The plane crash would probably damage them so much that a bullet hole won't be noticed.

The bullets probably would though.

They might assume the plane was tampered with by the LOS prior to takeoff, like the plane equivalent of a car bomb.

That could defeat the purpose of Bane and his men covering their tracks.

 

[Bat-Mite]

I'm trying to figure out how all of this action even winds up in Gotham. Does Bane venture there because he's with the LOS and Tatelia sends him there, or is there more to it than that?

 

[paladinryan]

If I had been the dude Bane said "They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother" to, I woulda been like **** no.

The term "brother" is interesting; reminds me of Communist "comrade." There's kind of a Che Guevera feel to that moment. While the Joker represents Chaos, Bane represents class uprising.

Haha, and you are my brother IRL, serendipity.

 

[Drunkard Esq.]

I'm trying to figure out how all of this action even winds up in Gotham. Does Bane venture there because he's with the LOS and Tatelia sends him there, or is there more to it than that?

Because the streets are paved with gold.

 

[BestGirl]

That could defeat the purpose of Bane and his men covering their tracks.

Nah, they just didn't want the CIA to know that they had captured Pavel. As long as everyone believes that Pavel's dead their tracks are plenty covered.

 

[The_Raganork]

If I had been the dude Bane said "They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother" to, I woulda been like **** no.

I'm trying to figure out how all of this action even winds up in Gotham. Does Bane venture there because he's with the LOS and Tatelia sends him there, or is there more to it than that?

I don't know but, I think grabbing Pavel and faking his death is all apart of a plot to get into the U.S.

 

[vanson]

If I had been the dude Bane said "They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother" to, I woulda been like **** no.

well bane would probably make you swallow the body bag within 0.5 seconds.. and then turn it inside out so you are in the bodybag afterwards

 

[humbdrumb]

If I had been the dude Bane said "They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother" to, I woulda been like **** no.

So that's what he said. I couldn't hear **** from Bane over the commotion of the crash.

 

[thej0ker]

Nah, they just didn't want the CIA to know that they had captured Pavel. As long as everyone believes that Pavel's dead their tracks are plenty covered.

So that Pavel could help them build the instrument of your liberation

 

[craigdbfan]

If I had been the dude Bane said "They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother" to, I woulda been like **** no.

It would seriously suck to be that guy, huh.

I would have packed a parachute unbeknownst to Bane or something beforehand and just went along with the entire faithful drone thing and once they dropped what was left of the plane initiate my chute.

Pffft yeah screw that.

 

[paladinryan]

These lines from Begins seem to be the core of this movie:

When a forest grows too wild,
a purging fire is inevitable and natural.

Tomorrow the world will watch in horror
as its greatest city destroys itself.

The movement back to harmony
will be unstoppable this time.

- You attacked Gotham before?
- Of course.

Over the ages our weapons
have grown more sophisticated.

With Gotham we tried a new one.
Economics.

But we underestimated certain
of Gotham's citizens...

...such as your parents.

Gunned down by one of the very people
they were trying to help.

Create enough hunger
and everyone becomes a criminal.

 

[Lord Shaper]

1. I love how students or people who dabble in editing know more (and better) than award-winning and clearly established filmmakers who they'll never work with someone even half their caliber.

You really cant use that as an argument.. "this guy has won awards so dont question or criticise him." Not fair. To play devils advocate you also don't know who's posting or taking parts in these conversations.

But to offer a less personal response to your statement.. I am going to present you with a scenario. I myself am in the "business" haha, so here goes:

1.) Studio pays X amount of dollars, and has X amount of time to shoot a scene.

2.) Scene is shot.. On the editing room floor its discovered that there are continuity issues.

3.) Oh crap.. Wally isn't happy but the issues are extremely minor.

4.) It costs millions of dollars to re-shoot said part of scene X.

5.) The scene is left alone.


My point? Movies have errors in them all the time, Nolan is no different. It has nothing to do with style or preference, there's a reason people are hired and paid a lot of money on sets to do "continuity." The reason the errors stay are almost always monetary.

MONEY X TIME X Your average VIEWER not noticing = mistake left alone

If its crucial its changed, its often not.

It's also important to acknowledge there can be mistakes made that aren't always artistic choices. A double cut is an artistic choice, I'm sure Nolan knew he was flipping the truck twice. That's ok.. you can say "stinky choice!" or "great choice!"

What's not ok is when Batman has 2 cop cars behind him... one of them crashes.. and now we cut to a wide shot of 3 cop cars behind him. On a subconscious level you know a mistake was made and that's the kind that it's ok to call a mistake. I seriously doubt Mr. Nolan did that on purpose to screw with viewers.

So in essence, I believe there can be errors in art as well.