The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[DaveMoral]

You may want to go easy on those of us that watched it on bootleg with half the screen cutoff. "shocking"

Precisely.

 

[Name-That-movie]

Ha, so the guy who purposefully gets caught, is afraid of getting caught?

-Was getting caught part of the plan.

-Of course, but seeing as how I can escape this unlikely scenario with ease, I'm going to do a blood transfusion, so we don't get caught.

He wasn't caught at all, the Militia were in on the exchange. They would had to put the hoods on them and do you think the guy who described Bane as the masked mercenarie wouldn't know that the guy with the big mask on his face is Bane? It was all part of his plan, giving Pavel to the CIA, getting the money, finding out what the CIA knows and crashing the plane. Now they have money to fund the operation, Dr. Pavel to build the device and the CIA think they're dead (for the time being).

 

[Travesty]

I see this as different situations. I think that was because Bane was confident that he could escape and outsmart the clueless CIA guy and others. He just wanted to know what Dr. Pavel told the CIA.

Yes, which was explained to us.

However, if the CIA find out that Pavel was taken, there will be a red alert sounded in the states. Bane and his men won't be able to smuggle Pavel into the states undetected if the CIA quickly realises that Pavel is still alive. All of Bane's plans will go awry.

A "red alert"? They're in a friggin plane. I'm pretty sure they'll make it back to Gotham before anybody even notices a plane has even crashed.

Basically, if Bane wants to get caught, then everything will go fine. If Bane doesn't want to get caught, then I know that there has to be something greater at stake.

It's still ridiculous and doesn't make sense. It reminds me of when TDK prologue came out, and everybody was questioning why NOBODY saw The Joker(a clown who is wanted on the streets of Gotham) standing on the street waiting for his ride. People were making excuses about living in a city, and how common it is, etc. But really, if I knew a deranged clown was wanted where I live, and I saw a deranged clown on the streets, I'm positive people would take notice. There should be no excuses, it's just a ridiculous scene that doesn't add up. Easy as that.

 

[slimshady247]

I don't think he did the blood transfusion not to get caught, but in order to slow down the CIA or whoever will probably be searching for him.

 

[Dr Zaius]

Well you can do two things, when you are presented with the problem. Bane is doing a blood transfusion in order to cover up his tracks, but he blows up a stadium later on in the film so clearly he's not worried about the authorities. So the two ways you can deal with this information;

a) take it as a plot hole, criticize the writing it was clearly a useless scene.

b) figure out that between the prologue and the stadium there must have been some time passed and certain events that have occurred that has changed Bane's approach from being cautious as a ninja to being confident enough to mass murder and talk about it on live tv in front of thousands in attendance.

It's not rocket science, nor is it bad writing to not assume your audience dosen't want literally everything spelt out for you.

I think a more likely explanation is that Bane must use secrecy until he gets Dr. Pavel to do what he wants so his plans aren't interrupted. Once Dr. Pavel helps him create that big ball of doom he doesn't need to cover his tracks anymore, he can finally step out into the light.

 

[Nevincer]

I don't think he did the blood transfusion not to get caught, but in order to slow down the CIA or whoever will probably be searching for him.

 

[The_Raganork]

What "harvey dent" thing?

Gordon: 'Richard dent, patrick Harvey"

Ramirez: "Harvey Dent!"

No, really Ramirez!?

You may want to go easy on those of us that watched it on bootleg with half the screen cutoff. "shocking"

Again i understand not seeing something or hearing something from a bootleg but, what I'm talking about is not being able to put 2 and 2 together with the "...For You" line and the CIA guys bluffing.

Those are pretty clear.

The transfusion thing will need exposition at some point. i'm sure of it.

 

[Travesty]

He wasn't caught at all, the Militia were in on the exchange. They would had to put the hoods on them and do you think the guy who described Bane as the masked mercenarie wouldn't know that the guy with the big mask on his face is Bane? It was all part of his plan, giving Pavel to the CIA, getting the money, finding out what the CIA knows and crashing the plane. Now they have money to fund the operation, Dr. Pavel to build the device and the CIA think they're dead (for the time being).

Getting the money and Pavel is a moot point, as they could have gotten that regardless. The only reason why the plan jacking happened, was to find out if Pavel told them anything. The whole blood transfusion is still a ridiculous notion to think about.

 

[DaveMoral]

Hell, the bluffing is easily confused when we are talking crappy bootlegs. You cant necessarily see that he didnt chuck the dude out the door.

 

[Dr Zaius]

The transfusion thing will need exposition at some point. i'm sure of it.

I thought the transfusion thing was self evident, he left one of his own guys behind saying they expect one of Bane's gang to be on board, and then they inject some of the Doctors blood into the corpse to make it seem like Dr. Pavel died in the crash so they will no longer be looking for him once they inspect the crash site and do some DNA testing to see that the blood is Pavel's.

 

[Travesty]

I don't think he did the blood transfusion not to get caught, but in order to slow down the CIA or whoever will probably be searching for him.

Searching for him? Who cares, he takes over all of Gotham. Why would he be worried about the CIA, especially when he kills Pavel on live TV during the football scene? He obviously doesn't care about being caught.

 

[Sharkboy]

I think a more likely explanation is that Bane must use secrecy until he gets Dr. Pavel to do what he wants so his plans aren't interrupted. Once Dr. Pavel helps him create that big ball of doom he doesn't need to cover his tracks anymore, he can finally step out into the light.

See? and who said we needed this film to spell things out for us.

 

[bullets]

You may want to go easy on those of us that watched it on bootleg with half the screen cutoff. "shocking"

I still haven't seen the prologue correctly so it took a few times for me to really understand everything. That was with half the screen darkened.

 

[The_Raganork]

Searching for him? Who cares, he takes over all of Gotham. Why would he be worried about the CIA, especially when he kills Pavel on live TV during the football scene? He obviously doesn't care about being caught.

are you saying Bane is aware of his victory later on in the film during the prologue?

what you're suggesting absurd. The man doesn't care about getting caught ever because he didn't care about getting caught once.

Here's a shocking thought: Maybe he's wary of getting caught until he has a Nuke in his hands and Gotham locked out from the rest of the country

 

[QueenChaos]

I think a more likely explanation is that Bane must use secrecy until he gets Dr. Pavel to do what he wants so his plans aren't interrupted. Once Dr. Pavel helps him create that big ball of doom he doesn't need to cover his tracks anymore, he can finally step out into the light.

Sounds about right to me.

 

[slimshady247]

?

are you saying Bane is aware of his victory later on in the film during the prologue?

what you're suggesting absurd. The man doesn't care about getting caught ever because he didn't care about getting caught once.

Here's a shocking thought: Maybe he's wary of getting caught until he has a Nuke in his hands and Gotham locked out from the rest of the country

This man speaks sense.

 

[QueenChaos]

Discussion has been a lively one to follow though. Pass the butterballs.

 

[Travesty]

are you saying Bane is aware of his victory later on in the film during the prologue?

what you're suggesting absurd. The man doesn't care about getting caught ever because he didn't care about getting caught once.

Here's a shocking thought: Maybe he's wary of getting caught until he has a Nuke in his hands and Gotham locked out from the rest of the country

So he leaves one of his men behind, and a half assed attempt at a blood transfusion, in a bullet ridden plane, that's missing it's wings and tail.

Yes, nobody would notice a thing that could link back to Bane. The blood transfusion is what's going to lead the CIA off the tracks of Bane.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Yes, which was explained to us.

A "red alert"? They're in a friggin plane. I'm pretty sure they'll make it back to Gotham before anybody even notices a plane has even crashed.

I don't know why, but I doubt it. I'm finding it difficult to sat exactly why, but what if they don't even go straight to Gotham in this plane? I think the CIA will eventually find out that something's wrong and therefore Bane will be exposed. I don't even think it's about getting caught, it's about the CIA and others intercepting and ruining his plans.

It's still ridiculous and doesn't make sense. It reminds me of when TDK prologue came out, and everybody was questioning why NOBODY saw The Joker(a clown who is wanted on the streets of Gotham) standing on the street waiting for his ride. People were making excuses about living in a city, and how common it is, etc. But really, if I knew a deranged clown was wanted where I live, and I saw a deranged clown on the streets, I'm positive people would take notice. There should be no excuses, it's just a ridiculous scene that doesn't add up. Easy as that.

At first, I thought it's because he has his head down, but yeah, it seems strange.

Bear in mind that I'm just telling you how I'm currently interpreting this prologue. I'm not trying to defend it or anything.

 

[zmystico]

Just saw prologue...really hoping they either add subtitles for Bane or dub his voice because you can only understand every other sentence he says...still very epic, this movie is gonna own The Dark Knight.

 

[JL Unlimited]

I can't wait til the movie comes out so we'll see how this scene fully plays out to the rest of the movie.

A movie must be doing something right to fall under such intense scrutiny. I've never seen this much discussion about a six minute clip for a movie that doesn't come out until next July. People must care a lot to want to debate about every little detail. I don't remember TDK being as crazy and those were some crazy times.

 

[Spideyfan93]

I got a story for ya'll.

My cousin, my friend and I planned all week to go yesterday at the 6:15 showing of MI:4 at Lincoln Square NYC. We get to the theater to buy our tickets early around 2:55 and see that all the next showings are SOLD OUT...our hearts sank. So we decide to go watch the 2:55 showing in hopes of catching the prologue. We got to the theater and the movie started. Again, our hearts sank but we sat in the front row(terrible seats) for the movie.

I have to say, MI:4 is definitely up there with the original and it might have surpassed it. It was a great great film and the Dubai Tower sequence had my stomach feeling uneasy.

So after the movie ended, it was 5:10. We were going to sit around and wait for the 6:15 showing to catch the prologue then leave. Around 5:30...we are told there is no way we can stay, AMC policy. My friend emotionally breaks down saying we came all the way from Toms River, New Jersey...how we spent gas money and ****. We all had our heads down and my friend was on the verge of emotionally going ape****.

So...the manager finally feels compassionate and says we can stick around for it(we all got giddy and excited!)

That prologue was ******* awesome and the footage after was even more awesome. The scene in the opening was even more fantastical than TDK opening. Bane is a badass and everything that was going on...was a bit confusing but surely there will be exposition to explain what's occurring. This wasn't as straight to the point like the heist scene was. But whatever they did to film that sequence...very hard to pinpoint and I can't wait for the Behind The Scenes for it.

One complaint...I really couldn't understand Bane much. The voice is excellent, but I understood two lines definitely and that's it.

OF COURSE!(going to be a meme I ******* know it)
The Fire Rises

Now, I heard they are going to fix the voice and I know I'm not the only one. This a major problem with a majority of audiences who've seen the prologue. It needs fixing...it really does.

Other than that, job well done Nolan and cast and crew!

 

[Dr Zaius]

It's still ridiculous and doesn't make sense. It reminds me of when TDK prologue came out, and everybody was questioning why NOBODY saw The Joker(a clown who is wanted on the streets of Gotham) standing on the street waiting for his ride. People were making excuses about living in a city, and how common it is, etc. But really, if I knew a deranged clown was wanted where I live, and I saw a deranged clown on the streets, I'm positive people would take notice. There should be no excuses, it's just a ridiculous scene that doesn't add up. Easy as that.

Well, was the Joker WANTED at that point? We know he had committed some crimes, but I don't keep up to speed on every wanted criminal where I live. And seriously, if I saw someone dressed as a clown on the streets of NYC where I go to college, I truly would not think anything of it, I've seen crazier people than that.

Buy alas, to many it requires a willful suspension of disbelief, but then again so does a microwave emitter that vaporizes water underground but not the water in the bodies of the human beings standing next to it.

 

[バット人]

This conversation about the plot holes with the Prologue just made me find an actual, glaring plot hole. Okay, so Bane is trying to cover his ass with the blood transfusion and letting his follower stay behind so that when the CIA finds the wreckage they'll just assume everyone on board was killed, right? Well how does Bane even know that the CIA agent only called in one of the prisoners instead of all three of them? The CIA agent was bluffing about killing them and throwing them off the plane (Bane caught this), so isn't it likely that the flight plan included EVERYONE? So what's Bane going to do now when they find the wreckage and see that Bane and his other follower is missing and doesn't match the report/flight plan? It doesn't make sense.

 

[slimshady247]

I got a story for ya'll.

My cousin, my friend and I planned all week to go yesterday at the 6:15 showing of MI:4 at Lincoln Square NYC. We get to the theater to buy our tickets early around 2:55 and see that all the next showings are SOLD OUT...our hearts sank. So we decide to go watch the 2:55 showing in hopes of catching the prologue. We got to the theater and the movie started. Again, our hearts sank but we sat in the front row(terrible seats) for the movie.

I have to say, MI:4 is definitely up there with the original and it might have surpassed it. It was a great great film and the Dubai Tower sequence had my stomach feeling uneasy.

So after the movie ended, it was 5:10. We were going to sit around and wait for the 6:15 showing to catch the prologue then leave. Around 5:30...we are told there is no way we can stay, AMC policy. My friend emotionally breaks down saying we came all the way from Toms River, New Jersey...how we spent gas money and ****. We all had our heads down and my friend was on the verge of emotionally going ape****.

So...the manager finally feels compassionate and says we can stick around for it(we all got giddy and excited!)

That prologue was ******* awesome and the footage after was even more awesome. The scene in the opening was even more fantastical than TDK opening. Bane is a badass and everything that was going on...was a bit confusing but surely there will be exposition to explain what's occurring. This wasn't as straight to the point like the heist scene was. But whatever they did to film that sequence...very hard to pinpoint and I can't wait for the Behind The Scenes for it.

One complaint...I really couldn't understand Bane much. The voice is excellent, but I understood two lines definitely and that's it.

OF COURSE!(going to be a meme I ******* know it)
The Fire Rises

Now, I heard they are going to fix the voice and I know I'm not the only one. This a major problem with a majority of audiences who've seen the prologue. It needs fixing...it really does.

Other than that, job well done Nolan and cast and crew!

Glad you enjoyed it!