7.07 - Wrath - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

The one big thing that seperates Lana and Ollie in their quest to stop Lex is how close one is to the situation compared to the other. Lana was married to Lex, she feels betrayed and abused. Her motivations are to hurt Lex while in the process save a few people. Ollie doesn't have such a personal relationship with Lex and his motives are not driven by pain and hatred. Sure they went to school together as teens and weren't the best of friends but both seemed to have clearly gotten over their colored past.

If anyone needs any further evidence that Lana's motivation was fueled by revenge...just take a look at the title of the episode,"Wrath", that seems to tell us everything.

One last thing, I find it laughable that anyone would blame Clark for the turn that Lana has taken in her life. All the secrets and lies that Clark has kept from her was done out of love and to protect her. Even Lana knows that and confirmed it at the end of the episode.
 
"Anybody getting the feeling that Lois' new boss is working for the Luthors?? He's little too intense about "not going after exposes" on Lex and Lionel. I think it will be revealed later that he is on their payroll. Especially since Perry White will eventually be the guy"

It seems I wasnt the only one thinking about this


I just asked that question. Read a few posts back.
 
The one big thing that seperates Lana and Ollie in their quest to stop Lex is how close one is to the situation compared to the other. Lana was married to Lex, she feels betrayed and abused. Her motivations are to hurt Lex while in the process save a few people. Ollie doesn't have such a personal relationship with Lex and his motives are not driven by pain and hatred. Sure they went to school together as teens and weren't the best of friends but both seemed to have clearly gotten over their colored past.

If anyone needs any further evidence that Lana's motivation was fueled by revenge...just take a look at the title of the episode,"Wrath", that seems to tell us everything.

One last thing, I find it laughable that anyone would blame Clark for the turn that Lana has taken in her life. All the secrets and lies that Clark has kept from her was done out of love and to protect her. Even Lana knows that and confirmed it at the end of the episode.


But thats just it Clark is responsible for it as he should have trusted her and never did till it was to late.
Clark's lies to her while as you say done out of love do not justify the fact he did lie about things she felt strongly about and it did affect the way she developed as a person.
Clark thinks he is responsible and I agree with him had he been honest from the start she may or may not have accepted him but she would not be the spiteful hateful person she is now.
Lana pre Clark's lies would never do the things she does now and would never had married Lex if Clark had told her the truth from the start.
 
Your argument sounds good on the surface as there are similarities between what Oliver and Lana are doing. Both are trying to bring down Lex. Both believe that the end justifies the means. But the actions and motives behind their efforts differ quite a bit. For one thing, Oliver is not pretending to be all sweetness and light and then hiding his real intent behind a humanitarian front. (His humanitarian acts are done anonymously.) Lana has been projecting a false image but because of the effect of absorbing Clark’s powers she has now been exposed. Now she’s admitting to Clark I’m not who you think I am. Up until this episode she’s played the part pretty well with him. She's been hiding her secret operations from Clark because she knows he would disapprove. Oliver didn’t try to hide his operation against Lex from Clark; he tried to recruit Clark to join him. He is not acting alone and out of vindictive purposes.

And while you are defending Lana, how do you defend the fact that Lana kidnapped and had Lionel tortured. Granted Lionel may have it coming to him, but do you really believe that two wrongs make a right? Lionel had Clark dipped in a Kryptonite solution and violated his private memories in "Memoria" and he didn't resort to going commando on him.




Are you seriously equating what Lex has done to Lana with what Clark has done? Clark may have made mistakes, but everything he has done, he has done out of love for Lana. He has put her best interest above his own. Even pushing her away from him. Lex hasn’t been thinking of what was best for Lana.

BTW, just because someone criticizes Lana doesn’t make them a Lana hater.

I think the most profound bit of dialog in this episode is spoken by Lana to Clark:

"Don't do that. Don't take on all the blame so you can hold onto this perfect image you created of me."

I get tired of all the Lana bashing but I also get tired of all the Lana lovers who blame Clark or whoever to defend and/or justify Lana’s behavior and who always play the “Lana-hater” card in her defense. It is just as annoying on either extreme.



Lately it’s been hard to tell the difference.

Very well said! :up:

And I'll add that Clark wasn't happy with some of the GA methods either. The GA/Lana comparison doesn't excuse or justify Lana's bad choices and decisions.
 
But thats just it Clark is responsible for it as he should have trusted her and never did till it was to late.
Clark's lies to her while as you say done out of love do not justify the fact he did lie about things she felt strongly about and it did affect the way she developed as a person.
Clark thinks he is responsible and I agree with him had he been honest from the start she may or may not have accepted him but she would not be the spiteful hateful person she is now.
Lana pre Clark's lies would never do the things she does now and would never had married Lex if Clark had told her the truth from the start.

Oh come on! :whatever:

So Lana is spiteful and hateful because Clark chose not to tell her a secret that was his to keep? (and out of love and for very good reasons). So Lana has no will, no morality, no strength of character, no personality, no mind of her own? So everything is other people's fault and never hers? :whatever:

Clark is always taking responsibility for everything. That's part of how he is. And too often he's wrong in doing so. Lana must take responsibility for her own choices; even Lana admitted that much!
 
I know it's probably already been brought up several times, but how about that Wonder Woman shout-out?
 
Oh come on! :whatever:

So Lana is spiteful and hateful because Clark chose not to tell her a secret that was his to keep? (and out of love and for very good reasons). So Lana has no will, no morality, no strength of character, no personality, no mind of her own? So everything is other people's fault and never hers? :whatever:

Clark is always taking responsibility for everything. That's part of how he is. And too often he's wrong in doing so. Lana must take responsibility for her own choices; even Lana admitted that much!


Quoting part of a sentence to skew what I said is quite rude.:cmad:

His secret to keep then he should have long ago said hey maybe I shouldn't STRING this girl I like along and NOT tell her the truth about me.
HE CHOOSE TO DO THAT.....
Oh and his reasons were crap and some horrible writing.

No Clark is taking responsibility because he knows Lex was right when he said Clark was the first one to betray her because he WAS.

If you do not like my opinions and posts just do us both a favor and ignore them as I will not respond to any more of your rude posts kktnx.
 
I liked this episode. I really love Chloe after this episode. Throughout the ep I kept hearing Martha's words to Clark on why he never told Lana his secret.

"Maybe deep down you know that you can't trust her". "Maybe she's not the one for you" (I'm paraphrasing of course)

One thing I don't understand is how/why Brainiac was affected by the Kryptonite when they've already established that he's immune to it's effects?
 
If you do not like my opinions and posts just do us both a favor and ignore them as I will not respond to any more of your rude posts kktnx.

Honestly it wasn't my intention to be rude, but thanks for the advice. :yay:
 
Lana: I just hate this “evil” Lana route they are taking. Because they’re not doing a good job of balancing everyones motives and actions, etc, IMO. See, I completely agree that Lana has crossed lines this season, and that she’s in a way dangerous place. She NEEDS someone to sit her down, tell her that her actions are wrong and that she needs to snap out of it, like, yesterday. Because this is not who she is and when the dust settles down, she will regret her actions. I’d prefer this person to be Clark. And I know him and their relationship has the power to bring her back by making her realize her craziness. They may never get back to where they were but that wont mean that Clark wont care enough to try or Lana wont care enough to listen. BUT, I would like the show to do a better job of showing Lana’s reasons behind all her actions. Right now they’re passing it all off as petty revenge, and almost painting Lex and Lionel as innocent martyrs. As if they did nothing. And this is not me saying Lana’s actions should be excused, because they shouldn’t. At the end of all of this she needs to take a long hard look at her self and take full responsibility. But I guess I just don’t like how no-one is bothering to even try and understand that Lana’s actions are twisted, because IMO Lex and Lionel’s actions were twisted towards her. I don’t think injecting someone with fake hormones, making them believe they were pregnant, and then fake inducing a miscarriage are small offences. That’s a huge gamut of emotions and rollercoaster ride you’re putting someone through there and violating the body and mind. On top of this to clone someone. I don’t know. I am not a very articulate person so I know I’m probably not explaining myself pretty well, but I would just like for there to be acknowledgment that Lana went through some really bad stuff done to her, and this craziness isn’t just coming out of nowhere. Like she was born evil on a mad rampage to annihilate the Luthors. She’s doing and saying some really, really bad stuff right now herself, and I REALLY want her to realize this soon and rectify and redeem herself, but I really don’t think the writers have done a good job in setting her or the situation up in this way.

Chloe: Which is why I hated the Chloe/Lana scene where Chloe went all ‘holier than thou’ on Lana. She didn’t even try and ask what Lana’s motivations were in setting up the surveillance, or talk to her about her methods, maybe even help her by suggesting other methods. Because as I remember this is the same Chloe who kinda thought that leaving Lex to die in ‘Nemesis was not such a bad idea either. But no, she just goes and cuts it all off and then goes on a speech about loyalty. Chloe’s been really loyal to Clark recently and she is mostly a really good friend but and it could just be me, but I think somewhere Chloe has a kind of ulterior motive in all this. I cant put my finger on it but there you have it.

Clark: I really, really felt for Clark. Poor guy. To have all this happening to and around him. And he still goes and handles it all the best he can. So much love for this guy.

Lois: Lois just lights up an episode. She is so great. I feel for her too, because I think it is quite obvious that Grant is working for the Luthors. BUT, I hope she catches on to that soon and kick some ass as only she can.
 
Why should I not compare it to the JL or Oliver for that matter? Last Season started out with Oliver having Lex kidnapped, tested and held prisoner. One of the guys went overboard and added his own kind of hostage to the mix. It's the same thing Lana did with Lionel. And Marylin was the same way as that guy. That comparison sticks. No matter how you turn it around 'just because it's GA'.

No, i'm sorry. It's not the same thing. Ollie had no idea what the person he had hired was doing.

Lana, on the other hand. Showed up at the place, Smashed Lionel with a shovel, and put him back into crazy's hands, so that she could continue torturing him.

"How did he get out"? implies that Lana knew exactly what was going on.

I guess I just don't see the scenario the same as you do.
 
Everybody whining over opinions

Fun times

Actually, for the most parts what I've seen is discussion about differing views. Not whining.

Posts like "Lana sux she shud die!" or "WTFZ WHY IZNT CLARK FLYING YET!" are whining. discussion with ample points to back up why you feel a certain way, that's called discussion, or active debate.

Please hang up and try your post again.
 
Actually, for the most parts what I've seen is discussion about differing views. Not whining.

Posts like "Lana sux she shud die!" or "WTFZ WHY IZNT CLARK FLYING YET!" are whining. discussion with ample points to back up why you feel a certain way, that's called discussion, or active debate.

Please hang up and try your post again.

It all depends on the person what things are. Opinions are like *******s everyone has one. You are the one that needs to hang up & try again. We will have to agree to disagree
 
It all depends on the person what things are. Opinions are like *******s everyone has one. You are the one that needs to hang up & try again.

What? :huh:

I read through the past few pages, and all I see is a healthy discussion with hardly any 'whining' in sight.
 
It all depends on the person what things are. Opinions are like *******s everyone has one. You are the one that needs to hang up & try again.

Regardless if everyone had an opinion, it's how you support that opinion that differentiates between whining, and discussing.
 
Is It Just Me Or Was The HD Quality Of The Episode A Little Off?
 
I have the capacity to whine right now, but I won't.

It's taken me 7 episodes, but I've finally just accepted that - Supergirl or no Supergirl - this is just not my year. We all watch for different things, and for me, it's not there anymore.

I'm probably going to hang in until Siren - to see BC - but after that, I think I'll stick with DVD's from here on out.
 
That is a very interesting point, she sees his restraint as weakness, that alone is a good clue to where her head is lately.
I hope they explore this more, because that's a HUGE aspect of the mythology. Clark's compassion is his strength, not his weakness.

...I completely agree that Lana has crossed lines this season, and that she’s in a way dangerous place.

...I would like the show to do a better job of showing Lana’s reasons behind all her actions. Right now they're passing it all off as petty revenge,
But it IS revenge. Maybe not "petty" revenge, but it's definitely vengeance.

And this is not me saying Lana’s actions should be excused, because they shouldn't...

I guess I just don't like how no-one is bothering to even try and understand that Lana’s actions are twisted, because IMO Lex and Lionel’s actions were twisted towards her...

I would just like for there to be acknowledgment that Lana went through some really bad stuff done to her, and this craziness isn't just coming out of nowhere.
I've made a case for why I believe Clark knows specifically what Lex did to Lana (fake pregnancy and cloning). But what purpose does it serve to show Lana explaining it to him on camera? Because it still doesn't justify her eye-for-an-eye revenge, does it?
 
Lana's f***ing psycho.
 
The reason why I believe no one knows about the fake pregnancy thing is because how they all react to the people responsible and towards Lana.

Any being (whether human or alien) that has feelings wouldn't still talk to Lex. Or Lionel for that matter. Would any of you still talk to the person who did this to someone you loved? Be it friend/girlfriend/wife or whatever. You'd tell the guy responsible for doing this to a loved one to get lost and never to return. And any one who says they still would be so much as civil to that person doesn't know what compassion is.

Would anyone still be at good terms with someone who blackmailed your loved one into a marriage, threatened your life if they didn't and knew what his son did to said loved one and still force her?

Come on now here people. We are all human beings with feelings. Would you?

And for the sake of debate. Lets say they all know. If they do then they seriously lack heart. All of them. If they knew Chloe for example would have choosen a different approach (whether she chooses Clark over Lana or not) because she would actually know the severe trauma Lana went through. If Clark really knew I would have expected more compassion in the talk to Lionel. I would have even expected him to actually see at least a little reason behind what was going on with Lana. But the guy was all kinds of shocked. No need to talk about Lois because she actually wasn't really involved with that enough.
 
Loved the episodes. Still hate Lana. Clark was alright. Chloe? Love her as always.

I just hope we get another Chloe vs. Lana brawl out of this. Who can forget the first classic? :D
 
Loved the episodes. Still hate Lana. Clark was alright. Chloe? Love her as always.

I just hope we get another Chloe vs. Lana brawl out of this. Who can forget the first classic? :D

Like this?

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I DO wish the girlfights at my school were this brutal.
 
I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that Lana has been insane for like the past 3-4 seasons and it didnt start because of the what Lex did to her during the pregnancy. I knew as soon as she got clarks powers that she was going to do the bad things she always wanted to do and then play it off afterwards as if the powers corrupted her and she didnt understand what she was doing but in reality shes just been lieing to everyone and really is a bad person, and it looks like Lex and Lionel are the only ones who really see it. I am glad though that everyone in this episode finally got to see a little bit of what she really is, unfortunately its only the tip of the iceberg.
 
I don't recall her acting insane since season 3 or 4. To me, she only started to get darker after she found out the pregnancy was a fake.
 

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