8.22 - Doomsday - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Webhead2006]

well we are on this lost chat, lol i too hated when they killed charlie he was one of my favs in the show. But i still watch it just to see where things are going. Just like smallville i been watching it from day 1 and i will watch it through its run be that next season or the possible 10th season i want to see where and how the characters get to where they will be in the end. I enjoyed the show for 8 yrs now and yea as i said before i havent liked all the stuff they have done some times like various freaks in the early yrs, the whole back and forth lana/clark relationship, and then the whole super lana crap this year but besides some stumbles along the way they have done alot of great things like brainiac, losh, clarks powers, and various storylines over the yrs that worked out well.

 

[RagingTempest]

That wasn't a fight, it was just Doomsday beating the crap out of Clark, but I talk about how I felt about that in my review.

It was disappointing, but in the end, I didn't mind it too much. The episode was a little better than just okay so not the best season finale ever.

See my review here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/doomsdayreview.htm

While I think giving the episode a 4/5 was little too generous of you, good review once again! But the more I think about "Doomsday", the more I dislike it. Besides Clark, Jimmy, Lois and Rokk, all the rest of the characters came off shallow, OOC or too self involved the more I think about it.

 

[Webhead2006]

Lets all hope that the producers/writers have been checking the various messageboards out there and see what we didnt like with season 8 finale and hope they dont do silly stuff like that again. Hopefully now if they main cast is just the 5 leads of tom/erica/allison/cassidy/ and justin we can see more of the cast together in one episode, instead of just 3-4 per episode like we had this season. I can see zod likely being seasonal guest start and go along with how brainiac was handled in season 5 and 7. Two or 3 episodes at the start of the season, one or two in the middle, and then a few more at the end, with other threats happening like intergang, metallo, or even darkseid or his minions poping in. As for mason if it turns out he is just a new smallville character is is a new dc guy coming in who isnt zod or some silly cover for zod he will only be a guest star and say appear in half the season like 7-9 episodes to be sprinkled through out the season.

 

[SV Fan]

Besides Clark, Jimmy, Lois and Rokk, all the rest of the characters came off shallow, OOC or too self involved the more I think about it.

I didn't think that final Chloe-Clark scene did Chloe any favors making an off hand comment about seeing somebody put up a picture of Lois somewhere(almost like she was brushing off the fact Lois is gone)

 

[Prison Mike]

I want chloe dead.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well if what is true with what went down with aaron and in sam witwer's interviews post finale chloe is likely to be taken care of in some way when ever allison's time on the show is up. As for the character i have liked her more over the yrs then lana's character. Yes at times their was some things i didnt like about chloe being done.

 

[SV Fan]

Well if what is true with what went down with aaron and in sam witwer's interviews post finale chloe is likely to be taken care of in some way when ever allison's time on the show is up. As for the character i have liked her more over the yrs then lana's character. Yes at times their was some things i didnt like about chloe being done.

Chloe was good till about Season 5, once she found out Clark's secret her character started going downhill, and even worse Clark started becoming over reliant on her(making his character look bad)

 

[Eros]

Chloe was good till about Season 5, once she found out Clark's secret her character started going downhill, and even worse Clark started becoming over reliant on her(making his character look bad)

Needing help and comfort from your closes friend makes clark look bad? You must really hate the justice League then.

 

[SV Fan]

Needing help and comfort from your closes friend makes clark look bad? You must really hate the justice League then.

You comparing Chloe to Wonder Woman or Batman?

It's one thing to need help, it's another to constantly run to her to do his thinking when he seemed perfectly fine doing it himself in earlier seasons with minimal help from her.

It's also another thing needing help to fight a big monster as opposed to running to her everytime he needs info on something he should be perfectly capable to figure out himself. Beyond that the lectures Chloe gives Clark on occasion are out of place(ie it worked fine when Clark was 14 and his dad would lecture him, but Chloe doing it when he is older makes him look pathetic)

 

[avidreader]

It's one thing to need help, it's another to constantly run to her to do his thinking when he seemed perfectly fine doing it himself in earlier seasons with minimal help from her.

It's also another thing needing help to find a big monster as opposed to running to her everytime he needs info on something he should be perfectly capable to figure out himself. Beyond that the lectures Chloe gives Clark on occasion are out of place(ie it worked fine when Clark was 14 and his dad would lecture him, but Chloe doing it when he is older makes him look pathetic)

The lecturing I agree with, especially since she's by far from perfect, however from a literary point of view, Clark had to take his problems/situations to someone (Chloe), in order to explain the story that was taking place. You cant have him having conversations with himself.

 

[SV Fan]

The lecturing I agree with, especially since she's by far from perfect, however from a literary point of view, Clark had to take his problems/situations to someone (Chloe), in order to explain the story that was taking place. You cant have him having conversations with himself.

I have no problem with his taking his personal life problems to Chloe or even discuss whatever is going on in his life, but when it comes to his "Super Hero" work they should have made him more independant in figuring out stuff for himself and run to Chloe maybe for 1 piece of info like earlier seasons.

It seemed to often the producers used Chloe as a short cut to Clark actually investigating stuff for himself. To me Pete was way more enjoyable in the role of secret keeper then Chloe, he would help when need be but never outshine Clark in the process. I am guessing the producers used Chloe at the DP with Clark because it saved on budget and more importantly time(so they could have more time to shovel whatever crappy Lana storyline was on), and felt if they have Clark with a DP backdrop it would please all the comic books fans somehow.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

i want chloe dead.

Amen!!!!!

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Chloe has been overused to death! Get her off the goddamn show! Kill her so she can't return.

 

[triplet]

The lecturing I agree with, especially since she's by far from perfect, however from a literary point of view, Clark had to take his problems/situations to someone (Chloe), in order to explain the story that was taking place. You cant have him having conversations with himself.

Yeah, Chloe fills in an important gap.

She gives Clark someone to talk to about things, it wouldn't be exciting TV to always see him silently going over stuff in his head and Clark isn't one that talks to himself either.

And I think that largely he has been having the big ideas lately when he goes to her, just talking things out with her helps him figure out what to do. She's not the literary crutch she used to be, but it'll be interesting to see where she goes next year as 'Watchtower' full-time.

I don't think she's going anywhere anytime soon, unless they sign back up for another season after next and her contract is up at the end of next season.

Maybe she'll move her Watchtower operations to Star City or she'll go baby sit Jimmy's little brother and never be seen again.

*shrug*

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea i wonder what will go on with her in "watchtower" mode next season. I do agree at times him goin to chloe was bad and used way to much, but like trip said she is really the only one he has to talk to daily about life/his powers/and what he is going to do with them. One plus side this season we did see clark be more independent and not use chloe that often. And with clark going away from humanity we are likely to see a more independent clark for most of next season.

 

[triplet]

Yea i wonder what will go on with her in "watchtower" mode next season. I do agree at times him goin to chloe was bad and used way to much, but like trip said she is really the only one he has to talk to daily about life/his powers/and what he is going to do with them. One plus side this season we did see clark be more independent and not use chloe that often. And with clark going away from humanity we are likely to see a more independent clark for most of next season.

It'll be interesting to see what he does, that's for sure.

I wonder if it'll be like Birthright and he'll take a little trip around the world? (Maybe a lot happening off-screen due to budget constraints.)

*shrug*

I guess we'll see.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea we can just wait and see untill we get some spoilers in the coming weeks.

 

[triplet]

yea we can just wait and see untill we get some spoilers in the coming weeks.

I guess you'll see in a few weeks, not me since I don't do spoilers, but they should be back in the writers room now, so the season starter's spoilers should be out very soon.

 

[SV Fan]

Yea i wonder what will go on with her in "watchtower" mode next season. I do agree at times him goin to chloe was bad and used way to much, but like trip said she is really the only one he has to talk to daily about life/his powers/and what he is going to do with them. One plus side this season we did see clark be more independent and not use chloe that often. And with clark going away from humanity we are likely to see a more independent clark for most of next season.

As I said before I have no problem that Clark goes/went to Chloe for personal issues in his life, it's when he runs to her all to often about his Superheroing that it gets annoying.

Look at it like the old L&C series, he went to his parents alot to talk about his personal issues but we never see them give him advice or help him figure out were crimals are. Chloe should basically fill that role on the show anbd since she is Clark ear to listen to him and discuss personal stuff in his life, that should be her only role. On L&C:TNAoS I wouldn't really want to see a 40 minute episode devoted to Clark's parents

 

[Webhead2006]

well maybe they will do that this coming season. Or we wont have much interaction between them for awhile if they plan to do clark staying away from his humanity side/friends for awhile.

 

[avidreader]

As I said before I have no problem that Clark goes/went to Chloe for personal issues in his life, it's when he runs to her all to often about his Superheroing that it gets annoying.

I guess it may have appeared that way, because Chloe was the computer whizz who seemed to have the answer for everything (btw, I think alot of that is just Allison's portrayal of the character), but I was watching Oracle last night.... and Chloe jumps onto Lionel's computer and tries to break his password so she can uncover files that explain what Lionel was up to and she couldnt break his password. However, it was Clark that came up with the idea to just check Lionel's calendar, and that was often the case when they were doing their super-sleuthing together. Chloe is really only there as a means of explaining what's going on in the scene.

Look at it like the old L&C series, he went to his parents alot to talk about his personal issues but we never see them give him advice or help him figure out were crimals are.

That's because it all happened at the Daily Planet with the help of Lois.

 

[SV Fan]

That's because it all happened at the Daily Planet with the help of Lois.

Lois and him were reporters, they would hunt down stories for an article and crap happened, that's when Hero Clark kicked in. I don't remember Lois on that show hunting down Phantom Zoners for Clark.

In early seasons I thought they had a good balance of Chloe. Clark would run to her for 1 piece of info on the background of the bad guy and then we wouldn't see her the rest of the episode as Clark did all the work from that point on. From Season 5 on it just seemed like Chloe became his one stop shop for answers(and it got worse and worse each progressive season from 5->7). As I pointed out when Pete was in the secret keeper role, it was better in the sense when Clark needed something from him on occasion he would ask but it wouldn't be a constant thing.

I am guessing TPTB knew that Chloe had a decent fanbase and started shoehorning her into Clark related stuff to to please them, but in the process I don't think it helped Clark's character much(the term Big Dumb Alien was coined during this period). I personally wish they kept Pete on the show instead of her(or kept them both), because I think Clark had a serious problem of lack of male friendship(one by one they fell, first Pete, then Lex and then his Dad)

I will say Season 8 as a whole has been much better for "sidekick" Chloe compared to the previous few years

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea it sucks they didnt use pete that well and sam jones left because of that.

 

[SV Fan]

Yea it sucks they didnt use pete that well and sam jones left because of that.

Pete-Clark should have been a relationship that was explored way more, but I am guessing the producers had a hard time writing about it because it doesn't have any relationship drama potential.

 

[Webhead2006]

YEa probably and then crapping on sam jones and if u look back in seasons 1-3 he was hardly ever in episodes.