The Dark Knight Rises 8 Years: Active or Retired?

8 Years - Active or Retired?

  • Active (or semi-active)

  • Retired


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What new news?

sorry, the plot synopsis and the whole Batman comes forth out of hiding to take on bane, info. I read it on this forum

am i going crazy? hahah this info came up in the last two weeks right? there were like short plot points on toys and packaging etc. that were leaked.
 
See I think I'm leaning more to inactive in light of the new news but...

He built up the batcave in these 8 years and more tech... to what end, if he's not out there busting heads once in a while?

Doesn't the Bat suit reveal itself in a bad ass case rising from the water?

count me confused/intrigued...


One thing about Bruce Wayne that's true in any medium, or should be, is that he stays prepared. I don't think he would simply quit upgrading his arsenal just because he was retired, especially since he's really searching for a reason to get back out there, to my understanding of it anyway.

So I don't think you can really add the updated Batcave/The Bat/weaponry to the "active"-evidence. I don't think that's the only explanation for that. I also agree with what KalMart said about the future setting speaking volumes about his situation.
 
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One thing about Bruce Wayne that's true in any medium, or should be, is that he stays prepared. I don't think he would simply quit upgrading his arsenal just because he was retired, especially since he's really searching for a reason to get back out there, to my understanding of it anyway.

So I don't think you can really add the updated Batcave/The Bat/weaponry to the "active"-evidence. I don't think that's the only explanation for that. I also agree with what KalMart said about the future setting speaking volumes about his situation.

For me the question isn't," is he active ?", it's "how long has he been inactive?". If we look at it from that perspective , it could be that he was active a Batman a couple of years after the events of TDK , hence he had the Batcave. While the Batcave doesn't point to being active , it doesn't discount that he was active at some point during those eight years. I'm not of the view that he retired the day after TDK. Given that it would take time for the city to improve and for the Harvey Dent act to pass, its conceivable that he was still active for a couple years though on the run.
 
Active, but he will "retire" at some point in the film, hence Gordon's line in the trailer about "we were in this together and then you were gone...the Batman must come back".

To me, he's active at the start of the film, gets injured/broken by Bane, gives it up, and in Gordon's search of the plot against Gotham he's injured and that's where Bruce goes to see him...and decides to come back as Batman. *Cue 80's montage music*
 
The "active" argument is never backed by any logical arguments ot evidence.

I think the most convincing argument for inactive status is the fact TDK ends with the conclusion that Batman's actions and Dent's actions pre-Two Face have left Gotham where it needs to be. If Batman still has to fight off masked super villains, what was the point of all the sacrifices and work the good guys put in? Bane is here to simply mess things up to the point Bats is needed again...

Personally, TDK should have ended the series, and Nolan knows it. He jusy agreed to make TDKR so Warner would finance Inception.

The bat cave and bat-plane/thing is adequate evidence for him not retiring right after TDK.

I'm saying he was active for years after TDK, but he was phased out and at the start of TDKR, we see Bats either out of commission, or atleast on the verge of doing so.
 
Even though we saw him use equipment in the last two movies, it doesn't mean it's ALL the equipment he had at the ready or in development at the time.

Plus, he could have been finishing or developing a lot of stuff during the time in case he had to come back...but since Gotham experienced unprecedented peace and nothing too big for a Gordon-led, less corrupt police agency to handle over these years...he hasn't had to be Batman just to chase down some shoplifters or what have you.

These movies portray Batman as a defender of Gotham basically during times of war, or impending war as the conflict needs to come to a head. Maybe there just hasn't been that for a while...just like there hasn't been major mob violence in our world in cities like NY or Chicago for quite a while now.

So sure...he could have spent time at least earlier honing and further developing the cave systems, some weapons for defense for the sake of being prepared...but he just hasn't had to use them. And now, frankly, with the city at ease, the fact that he's not getting any younger, the effects it's had on his health, and the emotional/personal loss...one couldn't help but wonder if this was a permanent sabbatical.


Until Bane shows up.
 
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Active, I'd rather see Batman in his prime go against Bane not a retiree.

That's why it's more likely that he's been off...because anyone would want to see him in his prime...so they'd center around it in a movie if he was fighting major crime wars. But this movie starts eight years later....that's at least twice as many years as we've seen him as Batman in the first two movies. It'd be nonsensical to just skip over those years of high Batman activity. hence the higher probability and narrative usefulness that it was an absence. Pretty much why you put it eight years ahead in the first place, to set up a return after being away for a long time.

And if he was at all active during that time...it obviously wasn't that much to write home about if they're choosing not to have it happen in the movie. So might as well consider it inactive anyway.
 
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I just watched Batman begins and the dark knight again and really appreciated the different stages batman/bruce wayne is.

Batman Begins- Batman is a rookie and he makes mistakes like not preparing for Cranes fear gas

The Dark Knight- Batman is challenged by the Joker and learns not to underestimate him

"With the Joker nothings ever that simple"


The Dark Knight Rises- Older and less faster Batman VS Bane.
 
I just watched Batman begins and the dark knight again and really appreciated the different stages batman/bruce wayne is.

Batman Begins- Batman is a rookie and he makes mistakes like not preparing for Cranes fear gas

The Dark Knight- Batman is challenged by the Joker and learns not to underestimate him

"With the Joker nothings ever that simple"


The Dark Knight Rises- Older and less fast Batman VS Bane.
I've had a great appreciation of how different BB and TDK were. They were within the same realm, obviously taking place in the same world, and they had similar themes/story points, but they were two very different Batman movies. That, to me, is a strength of the franchise. I think it's a mistake to essentially make the same movie more than once.

I see TDKR continuing that trend, and that is what's been driving my hype even more so than the fact that I'm a huge Batman fan. I think it's a wise decision on Nolan's part to keep giving us different views of this world, and the story is just fantastic so far, which helps.....
 
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How long does it take to recover from a broken back?

That's entirely dependent on the severity of the injury, but I doubt they're going all the way to paralysis if that's what you're wondering.
 
Let's look at the info, from my summary:

Actor Christian Bale returns to the dual role of Bruce Wayne and Batman in The Dark Knight Rises. He appears in the first trailer and the second trailer for The Dark Knight Rises. He appears in the montage at the end of The Dark Knight Rises prologue.

Near the end of Batman Begins, the League of Shadows plan to destroy Gotham City was foiled by Batman and Jim Gordon. At the end of The Dark Knight, Batman took the blame for Harvey “Two-Face” Dent's murders in order to protect the reputation of the Gotham City District Attorney as a “White Knight” and foil the Joker's plan. Gotham City Commissioner Gordon cooperated with Batman's plan, and dubbed Batman, a “Dark Knight.”

According to director Christopher Nolan, The Dark Knight Rises “picks up” eight years after The Dark Knight; it is what he called the film's “jumping off point,” and that this was done primarily to give meaning to a “big sacrifice, a big compromise” that occurred at the end of The Dark Knight between Gordon and Batman and that it “takes time to establish that and to show that” meaning. Entertainment Weekly magazine stated that the film will explore the ramifications and repercussions of the ending of The Dark Knight. Actor Gary Oldman stated that Gotham City has been cleaned-up with the “Harvey Dent Act,” but the city is “seething” below the surface. Nolan said that Gotham has “moved on” after The Dark Knight, and the city has gotten “better in a sense.” Gotham is prospering from Batman and Gordon's deception “superficially,” as the cracks have been “papered over,” Nolan said to Entertainment Weekly. Nolan said Gotham has come to revere Harvey Dent in the way Batman intended at the end of The Dark Knight within those eight years. Co-writer Jonathan Nolan stated that Batman's plan to “stamp out crime” had succeeded.

Christopher Nolan said that The Dark Knight Rises is about “finishing Batman and Bruce Wayne's story.” He also said that Bruce is “not in a great state,” and “He's frozen in time. He's hit a brick wall,” and that he “has nowhere to go” after The Dark Knight. Entertainment Weekly stated that Bruce is “still recovering from the physical and psychological traumas of his Joker/Two-Face double whammy,” and that Batman was “still a reviled cultural scapegoat.” Entertainment Weekly stated that Bruce will have to repair his troubled relationships with Alfred and Lucius Fox. A Warner Bros. press release described Bruce as “still-grieving,” and that Wayne Enterprises board member Miranda Tate is eager to help him resume his father's philanthropy. Another press release announced the film's inclusion of “one of Batman's most formidable enemies,” Bane. Nolan said to Empire magazine that with the choice of villain and the choice of story, Batman will be tested “both physically as well as mentally.” Christian Bale said that his character will have to try to come up with an answer to the pain in his life in order for his character to “move on.” Oldman said Bruce will discover and learn something about himself at the end of the film.

In the first trailer for The Dark Knight Rises, computer-generated representations of Gotham skyscrapers are shown as debris falls from them interspersed throughout the trailer. Ra's al Ghul's statement to Bruce Wayne from Batman Begins is repeated in voice-over, “If you make yourself more than just a man...if you devote yourself to an ideal, then you become something else entirely. A legend, Mr. Wayne. A legend!” as title cards stating “Every hero has a journey” and “Every journey has an end” are shown interspersed. Gordon, who is hospitalized, says “We were in this together...then you were gone. Now this evil...rises. The Batman...has to come back. He must...he must”; Bruce whispers the question, “What if he doesn't exist anymore?” A bearded Bruce is shown doing push-ups in an underground location. A showdown between Bane and Batman is shown near the end of the trailer.

In the second trailer, Alfred tells Bruce, “You are as precious to me as you were to your own mother and father. I swore to them that I would protect you, and I haven't.” A man tells another man “This is peacetime” in Gotham. Bruce walks with a cane in his right hand inside Wayne Manor, as well as outdoors in silhouette below a dark blue sky. He walks into a masque party with a cane and leans on it while standing before Miranda Tate. Selina Kyle issues a warning to Bruce at the masque party, “You think this can last...there's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, 'cause when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large, and leave so little for the rest of us.” In an underground location, a bearded Bruce asks a man “What does that mean?” and is told “Rise.” Bane tells a battered Bruce, “When Gotham is ashes...you have my permission to die.” A masked Bruce is shown rapelling down the side of a building. Batman is shown on the Batpod wielding a device. Batman is shown engaged in hand-to-hand combat with Bane. Batman's new aerial vehicle is shown in flight near multiple camouflaged tumbler vehicles and an HEMTT at the end of the trailer. The second movie poster shows Bane walking away from a broken Batman mask. The end of The Dark Knight Rises prologue montage shows Bane holding the Batman mask in his hand and then dropping it aside. The trailers and the second movie poster have emphasized the end of the Dark Knight legend.

Empire made note of Batman's new flying vehicle, which is called “The Bat” according to toy-maker Mattel. Entertainment Weekly reported that the Batcave—unseen in The Dark Knight—returns in The Dark Knight Rises.

The leaked product page from FilmCells (they pulled it from view):

When Commissioner Gordon stumbles upon a plot to destroy the city from within, Bruce Wayne gets back into action as the Batman. Waiting for him is the mysterious Selina Kyle and Bane, a lethal adversary on a crusade to tear apart Batmans legacy piece by piece.

Hot Toys had a similar summary, but it wasn't well written and had a factual error in it.

My exchange with gillberg2k1 from a couple of months ago. He basically agreed Batman has been shelved, for what it's worth.

Hey, if it had been up to me, Batman wouldn't have been shelved, and we would have had a Batman prologue instead of a Bane that we got. But at least they could have an excuse for fixing the Batman voice from TDK when he comes back. :oldrazz:
 
Let's look at the info, from my summary:



The leaked product page from FilmCells (they pulled it from view):



Hot Toys had a similar summary, but it wasn't well written and had a factual error in it.

My exchange with gillberg2k1 from a couple of months ago. He basically agreed Batman has been shelved, for what it's worth.

Hey, if it had been up to me, Batman wouldn't have been shelved, and we would have had a Batman prologue instead of a Bane that we got. But at least they could have an excuse for fixing the Batman voice from TDK when he comes back. :oldrazz:


That's synopsis pretty much tells that Bruce hangs up the cowl in cape in order to allow peace come to Gotham.

That's the Compromise and Sacrifice it refers too.
 
I hope he's been active and didn't go into hiding shortly after TDK. That would mean Batman being just a phase that Bruce Wayne goes through and not nearly the commitment we're all used to.
 
One thing that I've yet to find out is the timeline between BB and TDK. I've assumed that TDK occurs just after or a short period of time after BB, not a 3-year period to coincide with the actual time between the release of the two movies. If my assumption is correct, that would mean TDKR takes place in the current day (2012-13).

As far as Batman being Active or Retired, I'm leaning towards semi-active but closer to retirement as Batman. I'm thinking he'll be retiring just as there is a calm in post-TDK Gotham, which will then be disturbed by the events of TDKR.
 
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If BB was set in 2005, then TDK was set in 2006-ish (Joker: "Let's wind the clocks back a year", which would suggest that Batman started operating 1 year before at the earliest). Which would mean the events in TDKR take place in 2014.
 
I was reading some of bosef892's past posts and the perfect balance would be that Batman still operates, albeit more and more behind the scenes as time goes by).

Out of all TDKR news, pics and rumours, the one that makes me the most nervous is the possibility that Batman retired right after TDK. Which would make him Batman fro the period between BB and TDK and for the events of TDKR (days or months). Which I don't like. At all.
 

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