The Dark Knight Rises 8 Years Later...

[The_Raganork]

greetings and salutations

 

[Saint]

I think we all said something similar before Batman Beyond came out.

Some new character we've never heard of taking over for Bruce instead of Dick or Tim? What are they thinking!

Low and behold, they created a pretty awesome new character in Terry McGuiness who we all very quickly accepted as Batman due to his phenomenal introduction, backstory, and characterization.

That's fine, but I'm reasonably confident that a show about Dick Grayson as Batman would have been several orders of magnitude cooler. I can say that because I've been reading that hypothetical show in the pages of Batman & Robin and The Black Mirror, and yeah, it's cooler. No slight to Batman Beyond intended, but Dick just has the superior placement and relevance to the mythology and you can't compete with that.

Nolan could quite easily due something similar in his movie. And, much like all of his other changes he made (facepaint Joker, having both Two-Face and Joker in one movie, etc), after the fact we'll realize what was dumb was our original assumptions.

I'm not saying I think it'll happen, but on the off chance Nolan does go the route, I'm fully confident he'd do it in a thoroughly logical and original way that is anything but offensive.

I'm sure a fine story can be told with Joe Nobody becoming Batman--but I can't imagine why I'd ever want to see that with Robin sitting right there, waiting to be used instead of some weird half-measure.

 

[TinkerTailor]

I'd also add that the success of Batman Beyond wasn't in Terry's initial introduction but in the stories told and villains faced subsequently that earned him the right to the moniker of The Batman. Given that this film is about wrapping up Bruce's journey I'd be surprised if John Blake/Random Character had the time to show that they deserve to take on the mantle.

Although within the confines of Nolan's narrative the same problems would beset an established character from the comics such as Dick.

 

[Sharkboy]

I don't know whether to be pleased you agree with me, or disappointed you only agree with the last sentence.

No i agree with the whole thing i just bolded the last part, just to bring attention to it.

 

[Sharkboy]

That's fine, but I'm reasonably confident that a show about Dick Grayson as Batman would have been several orders of magnitude cooler. I can say that because I've been reading that hypothetical show in the pages of Batman & Robin and The Black Mirror, and yeah, it's cooler. No slight to Batman Beyond intended, but Dick just has the superior placement and relevance to the mythology and you can't compete with that.


I'm sure a fine story can be told with Joe Nobody becoming Batman--but I can't imagine why I'd ever want to see that with Robin sitting right there, waiting to be used instead of some weird half-measure.

It's more of a half measure to use a character such as robin/dick, someone with such a rich history in the comics. People already made a stink about Bane not being spanish/ Catwoman having a cowl. Do you think Nolan could possibly use dick grayson without the whole circus/mob origin without any fan reprisals (that is if he cared about it) It's a lot harder to bring in grayson with all that so called "relevance to the mythos" and fit it in this movie. It would be a lot easier and in tune with the story to just create a new character that fits in the story better.

John Blake being called Dick Grayson would change nothing except make us wonder, why he's a cop instead of a circus act.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Dick Grayson did become a cop. And John Blake seems to have ties to the orphanage. I've said many times I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as a Thrillkiller style Robin.

 

[The_Raganork]

John Blake...is just a cop.

 

[Batman jr.]

Dick Grayson did become a cop. And John Blake seems to have ties to the orphanage. I've said many times I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as a Thrillkiller style Robin.

We've been through all that and there won't be a Robin.

 

[CConn]

That's fine, but I'm reasonably confident that a show about Dick Grayson as Batman would have been several orders of magnitude cooler. I can say that because I've been reading that hypothetical show in the pages of Batman & Robin and The Black Mirror, and yeah, it's cooler. No slight to Batman Beyond intended, but Dick just has the superior placement and relevance to the mythology and you can't compete with that.


I'm sure a fine story can be told with Joe Nobody becoming Batman--but I can't imagine why I'd ever want to see that with Robin sitting right there, waiting to be used instead of some weird half-measure.

It's actually really easy to understand: not everyone likes Dick Grayson.

I can't stand him as a character, myself. And while Batman and Robin and the Black Mirror were great, I would've rather read those same stories with someone else under the cowl.

And no, Batman Beyond wouldn't have been better with Dick. The entire concept was based around a teenage Terry McGuinness...Dick being Batman in it wouldn't have made nearly as much sense.

Now while I'm a big fan of Tim, and would love to see him in a movie, if a new character works just as well (and is played by Joseph Gordon Levitt, who is all kinds of awesome), I won't be too upset to not see him in the film.

 

[doobie]

What if Blake is Narrows Boy. Holds up the gadget , "kept it all these years while waiting to work with you".

 

[regwec]

I wouldn't just groan, I would shout out in a blood curdling wail of anguish.

 

[The Joker]

I wouldn't just groan, I would shout out in a blood curdling wail of anguish.

Seconded.

That would be BEYOND corny.

 

[Figs]

What if Blake is Narrows Boy. Holds up the gadget , "kept it all these years while waiting to work with you".

 

[Picklen]

lmao you never know but probably wont happen lol

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

What if Blake is Narrows Boy. Holds up the gadget , "kept it all these years while waiting to work with you".

How old was Narrow's boy in Batman Begins? Like, 10?

JGL looked well past 18 in his haircut and cop outfit.

 

[Nevincer]

What if Blake is Narrows Boy. Holds up the gadget , "kept it all these years while waiting to work with you".

Christ

 

[not_a_victim]

At what point does the "8 Years Later" kick in?
Is the prologue itself set 8 years after TDK
OR
Does the prologue begin some time sooner than that, then we flash forward 8 years at the beginning of the movie proper?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

It's actually really easy to understand: not everyone likes Dick Grayson.

I can't stand him as a character, myself. And while Batman and Robin and the Black Mirror were great, I would've rather read those same stories with someone else under the cowl.

And no, Batman Beyond wouldn't have been better with Dick. The entire concept was based around a teenage Terry McGuinness...Dick being Batman in it wouldn't have made nearly as much sense.

Now while I'm a big fan of Tim, and would love to see him in a movie, if a new character works just as well (and is played by Joseph Gordon Levitt, who is all kinds of awesome), I won't be too upset to not see him in the film.

I hate Terry McGinnis. He's always felt like some second rate hybrid of Grayson and Drake to me, he never had a relevant place in the mythology, unlike both Grayson and Drake, both of which were trained to be the next Batman, and in my eyes, Richard excelled in the role, he managed to carry the Bat franchise and the JLA/JSA franchise and finally got the recognition he deserved. Unfortunately regression seems to be the in thing for the Bat-Family post-Flashpoint.

The only time I ever thought Terry was close to interesting was in Batman #700 and Return of the Joker.

Also, why don't you like Richard? He's fun on a bun.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

It's actually really easy to understand: not everyone likes Dick Grayson.

I can't stand him as a character, myself. And while Batman and Robin and the Black Mirror were great, I would've rather read those same stories with someone else under the cowl.

And no, Batman Beyond wouldn't have been better with Dick. The entire concept was based around a teenage Terry McGuinness...Dick being Batman in it wouldn't have made nearly as much sense.

Now while I'm a big fan of Tim, and would love to see him in a movie, if a new character works just as well (and is played by Joseph Gordon Levitt, who is all kinds of awesome), I won't be too upset to not see him in the film.

I hate Terry McGinnis. He's always felt like some second rate hybrid of Grayson and Drake to me, he never had a relevant place in the mythology, unlike both Grayson and Drake, both of which were trained to be the next Batman, and in my eyes, Richard excelled in the role, he managed to carry the Bat franchise and the JLA/JSA franchise and finally got the recognition he deserved. Unfortunately regression seems to be the in thing for the Bat-Family post-Flashpoint.

The only time I ever thought Terry was close to interesting was in Batman #700 and Return of the Joker.

Also, why don't you like Richard? He's fun on a bun.

 

[Saint]

It's more of a half measure to use a character such as robin/dick, someone with such a rich history in the comics. People already made a stink about Bane not being spanish/ Catwoman having a cowl. Do you think Nolan could possibly use dick grayson without the whole circus/mob origin without any fan reprisals (that is if he cared about it) It's a lot harder to bring in grayson with all that so called "relevance to the mythos" and fit it in this movie. It would be a lot easier and in tune with the story to just create a new character that fits in the story better.

John Blake being called Dick Grayson would change nothing except make us wonder, why he's a cop instead of a circus act.

I don't think you really understood me; I'm not saying Nolan should be calling the John Blake character Dick Grayson. That wouldn't make any sense; I have no idea what role Blake plays, so transforming him into Dick Grayson would probably be stupid (especially since I don't believe for a second that Blake is going to be taking Bruce's place, as this is an entirely fan-generated theory, and those always turn out wrong).

What I'm saying is that if Nolan were writing a story about succession, about someone coming on board to carry on Batman's legacy, it would make infinitely more sense to use the character and scenario that already exist for that purpose (circus origin and all) than to invent Joe Nobody to act as a half-measure.

Furthermore, even if Dick were used in a manner that doesn't strictly conform to his traditional comic book history, I suspect that would probably still be preferable to Joe Nobody serving the same purpose--for the same reason it was more interesting to see Ra's Al Ghul adapted to a new role in Batman Begins (as Bruce's mentor) than it would have been to see some new character in that role.

It's actually really easy to understand: not everyone likes Dick Grayson.

Yeah, but I don't actually care. Not to sound like a dick, but I'm watching this film for my enjoyment.

All available information on the matter suggests that if the number of fans who like or dislike Dick were an issue, the numbers would be on my side anyway--but it doesn't matter either way, because we don't enjoy movies by committee. If Dick would wreck everything for you, power to you.

And no, Batman Beyond wouldn't have been better with Dick. The entire concept was based around a teenage Terry McGuinness...Dick being Batman in it wouldn't have made nearly as much sense.

That's not what I wrote. I wrote that a show about Dick Grayson as Batman would have been cooler, not that Batman Beyond with Dick Grayson would have been cooler. Dick was at the age of retirement in that show; it wouldn't have made any sense.

 

[Saint]

I wouldn't just groan, I would shout out in a blood curdling wail of anguish.

Following which, space and time would be torn asunder, a great beast would emerge from the fifth dimension and dance the dance that ends the world.

No Narrows Kid! Narrows Kid is aggravating enough in Batman Begins.

 

[KRIM]

Narrows kid has been replaced by apple schoolboy.

 

[regwec]

Richard excelled in the role, he managed to carry the Bat franchise and the JLA/JSA franchise and finally got the recognition he deserved. Unfortunately regression seems to be the in thing for the Bat-Family post-Flashpoint.

BatDick worked for its limited time frame, but I think it ran its course. "Happy go lucky" Batman was offset quite well by violent and moody Damien. In fact, I think that Damien was the biggest beneficiary of Bruce's disappearance, since it really gave his character time and space to grow. He's a great Robin, now, and so different from the others.

Dick Grayson's Batman seems fun but insipid in comparison to Bruce Wayne's, to me.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Hey, I like Narrows Kid scene in BB!! The kid in me smiles everytime.

But yeah him being John Blake is an awful idea.

 

[Nevincer]

Following which, space and time would be torn asunder, a great beast would emerge from the fifth dimension and dance the dance that ends the world.

No Narrows Kid! Narrows Kid is aggravating enough in Batman Begins.

I wouldn't just groan, I would shout out in a blood curdling wail of anguish.

Seconded.

That would be BEYOND corny.

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