But why would he? It essentially goes against Gordon's monologue of saying "he can take it", clearly not if he went into hiding and left everything in Gordon's hands.
He cant take it, as in, he take this blame, this hunting, this villain-ment.
Do people not get that Batman is the last villain? If he takes the blame for all this, runs, and hides out permanently, it's like the police finally won.
They captured the Joker and ran off Batman.
There are no more crazies.
With Batman forcing himself to stay gone, he gives the police the victory.
Batman isn't on a Americas Most Wanted list where they have been hunting him down like Osama for 8 years on end (with no sight of Batman whatsoever)
To me it seems as if Batman has still been on the scene or was still on the scene for some time, hence he is still being chased and a wanted criminal.
I think this went on for a few years while crime was still present, then gradually the need for Batman became less and less until he just stopped being seen. Maybe by that time he has retired, after a total period of 8 years from the night of TDK.
But why would he? It essentially goes against Gordon's monologue of saying "he can take it", clearly not if he went into hiding and left everything in Gordon's hands.
Thats just some line. Batman's retirement would be a big deal. Why not have it at the end of TDK? What would be the point of having it 3 years later, 5 years before TDKR? It would be random, like some important event just ignored.
He cant take it, as in, he take this blame, this hunting, this villain-ment.
Do people not get that Batman is the last villain? If he takes the blame for all this, runs, and hides out permanently, it's like the police finally won.
They captured the Joker and ran off Batman.
There are no more crazies.
With Batman forcing himself to stay gone, he gives the police the victory.
Why the hell does everyone have such a problem with the idea of their being no Batman for 8 years? Nolan skips almost to the end of it so it's not like we aren't seeing Batman.
Think about the story. Batman continuing on after TDK for a while would explain why he becomes dejected by it. It also shows how the cave was finished and added to. Then he stops at some point, and is implored by Gordon to come back. But just coming back doesn't equal automatic victory. Not shaking that 'frozen in time' vibe completely results in a beatdown from Bane. Cue a proper re-train at the end.
Think about the story. Batman continuing on after TDK for a while would explain why he becomes dejected by it. It also shows how the cave was finished and added to. Then he stops at some point, and is implored by Gordon to come back. But just coming back doesn't equal automatic victory. Not shaking that 'frozen in time' vibe completely results in a beatdown from Bane. Cue a proper re-train at the end.
IF he continues on after TDK, the sacrifice doesn't mean ****.
He is already dejected by being Batman because he caused so many deaths and created the Joker.
They started rebuilding the cave after Begins and all through TDK. Either way, Wayne Manor was going to be re-built, Batman or not Batman. Bruce could re-do the cave just in case the day ever came when they needed Batman again. Besides, just because he isn't Batman doesn't mean he just stops preparing.
I think it is better if Bruce, while re-discovering his own personal life as a "normal" man, spends his spare time sulking, bitter, depressed and perfecting his Batcave like a father fixes up an old car that he'll only drive on the weekends in the Summer.
Alfred: ...Another addition, Master Bruce?
Bruce: I need a way to hide the Batsuit. Bullet proof, high impact plastic. It's going to be submerged until I need to use it.
Alfred: Who are you hiding the Batsuit from unexpected prying eyes? ...Or from yourself.
If Bruce isn't Batman, he still doesn't have to "quit" being Batman, you understand? It can still be his obsession, his dark secret. He could even pour his money, sweat and time into it out of guilt...even if he is not out patrolling and beating up criminals.
Thats just some line. Batman's retirement would be a big deal. Why not have it at the end of TDK? What would be the point of having it 3 years later, 5 years before TDKR? It would be random, like some important event just ignored.
Your acting like Gotham doesn't exist in the time between TDK and TDKR. Like everyone just goes to sleep for 8 years. And what the hell you talking about it's just some line? It has no meaning? Just thrown in for the sake of it?
Think about the story. Batman continuing on after TDK for a while would explain why he becomes dejected by it. It also shows how the cave was finished and added to. Then he stops at some point, and is implored by Gordon to come back. But just coming back doesn't equal automatic victory. Not shaking that 'frozen in time' vibe completely results in a beatdown from Bane. Cue a proper re-train at the end.
Those quotes have nothing to do with the argument at hand.
"You'll hunt me. You'll condemn me. Set the dogs on me. Because that's what needs to happen."
"So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. "
That is literally what is happening at that moment.
Batman can be punished for those crimes because he provides a scapegoat. If the cops could catch him, he'd go to jail but of course he escapes. Batman wouldn't run from the police every night and get away...teasing them night to night. That's not noble. That's not a sacrifice.
Batman is the last "villain" left. He runs, because they can chase him and he can take it. Batman gets away and the cops along with all of Gotham think the police ran him off. With the Joker and Batman gone, there is no menace in Gotham. When, in reality, the man who is acts as Batman didn't run off but sits at Wayne Manor where he has retired the Batman persona.
The difference is, in TDK he was "the hero Gotham deserves but not the one it needs right now" in TDKR Batman must exist, "He must... he must." They need him in TDKR. Enough to call out for him when before he was always just there.
Batman would be wanted by the police constantly. No doubt about it. But let's not act as if he'd be going out on the street with the single goal of running from the police to satisfy a news reel.
Those quotes have nothing to do with the argument at hand.
"You'll hunt me. You'll condemn me. Set the dogs on me. Because that's what needs to happen."
"So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. "
That is literally what is happening at that moment.
Batman can be punished for those crimes because he provides a scapegoat. If the cops could catch him, he'd go to jail but of course he escapes. Batman wouldn't run from the police every night and get away...teasing them night to night. That's not noble. That's not a sacrifice.
Batman is the last "villain" left. He runs, because they can chase him and he can take it. Batman gets away and the cops along with all of Gotham think the police ran him off. With the Joker and Batman gone, there is no menace in Gotham. When, in reality, the man who is acts as Batman didn't run off but sits at Wayne Manor where he has retired the Batman persona.
The difference is, in TDK he was "the hero Gotham deserves but not the one it needs right now" in TDKR Batman must exist, "He must... he must." They need him in TDKR. Enough to call out for him when before he was always just there.
"The hero Gotham deserves but not the one it needs right now."
I always interpreted that as meaning they need a Hero like Dent, somebody without a mask, somebody elected that people feel they can trust, and not some mythical Batman who is a vigilante hiding behind a mask. He's not the type of Hero that Gotham needs, "right now". So they think. They will find out differently, perhaps, in TDKR.
Either way we our going to find out the sacrifice is in vein in TDKR. Batman and Gordon's lie give Bane the tool they need to create distrust for the Gotham authority in TDKR. There little lie may have been well intentioned but it has consequences that lead to Batman having to return and save the city 8 years later. In the mean time, that's 8 years. I seriously do not believe that he has disappeared for 8 whole years when he "needs Batman more than Gotham needs Batman." He'll find a reason. Gotham doesn't go into some utopia in that 8 years. What about Oldman's comments about how "The city is seething underneath.."
"The hero Gotham deserves but not the one it needs right now."
I always interpreted that as meaning they need a Hero like Dent, somebody without a mask, somebody elected that people feel they can trust, and not some mythical Batman who is a vigilante hiding behind a mask. He's not the type of Hero that Gotham needs, "right now". So they think. They will find out differently, perhaps, in TDKR.
Either way we our going to find out the sacrifice is in vein in TDKR. Batman and Gordon's lie give Bane the tool they need to create distrust for the Gotham authority in TDKR. There little lie may have been well intentioned but it has consequences that lead to Batman having to return and save the city 8 years later. In the mean time, that's 8 years. I seriously do not believe that he has disappeared for 8 whole years when he "needs Batman more than Gotham needs Batman." He'll find a reason. Gotham doesn't go into some utopia in that 8 years. What about Oldman's comments about how "The city is seething underneath.."
You're right about that. The lie is their downfall.
Also, Bruce and Batman don't dissapear, just Batman. I don't know why anyone has such a problem with the idea of no Batman. This isn't the comics or the animated series... Batman isn't out every night. This is a real man with a real life and real hurts, pains, guilt, regret.
How many of you wake up and just don't want to go to whatever ****ing job you work? Imagine that feeling as Batman.
Now, imagine that you were at fault for killing the woman you love under the impression that going to your job created insane, killing monsters.
Presence of Batman = death for people, creation of worse villains, less petty crime but a massive rise in serious crime, death of his own loved ones and the death of the one ray of hope in the city.
I can see him being Batman less than usual. But riding the batpod around and dealing with that guy with the green helmet on the ground for example is the reason why he’d go outside. He’s doing something. He doesn’t want to get chased around by massive police numbers; if possible he wants to avoid that. He agreed that he had to be hunted, but it would wear you down.
I can see him being Batman less than usual. But riding the batpod around and dealing with that guy with the green helmet on the ground for example is the reason why hed go outside. Hes doing something. He doesnt want to get chased around by massive police numbers; if possible he wants to avoid that. He agreed that he had to be hunted, but it would wear you down.
Um... he is chasing after the green helmet motorcycle guy because that is after Bane is in town. The motorcyclists are fleeing from the Stock Exchange and the police are following Batman as he follows the cyclist.
Um... he is chasing after the green helmet motorcycle guy because that is after Bane is in town. The motorcyclists are fleeing from the Stock Exchange and the police are following Batman as he follows the cyclist.
I don't have a problem with it it just doesn't feel that way to me. I doubt it. It doesn't seem like Bruce/ Batman. I don't believe he can let go of Batman at this point of his life for 8 years. I don't think there will be a time he can let go of Batman until TDKR is resolved in it's final act. I think he has been gone a long time, sure. I just don't think he's been gone for the entire 8 years. Peace doesn't come immediately after TDK. The Dent Act takes time. Batman is there. If you are right and when the movie gets here there is no mention of ANYTHING during those 8 years, nothing happened at all, than I will say you were right and I was wrong.
For now, I'll put my money on Gotham not going into a Communist Utopian society for 8 years.
I don't have a problem with it it just doesn't feel that way to me. I doubt it. It doesn't seem like Bruce/ Batman. I don't believe he can let go of Batman at this point of his life for 8 years. I don't think there will be a time he can let go of Batman until TDKR is resolved in it's final act.
You can easily take what you said and apply to the 8 years of no Batman argument. Fact is, he cant let go of Batman at that point in his life, for 8 years. Just without the suit and cowl, its a mental thing. He can go almost a decade without Batman and still not be over it. He wont let go of Batman til the end of TDKR
Even the synopsis quote from EW says...as it has been brought up many times:
"Batman who took the fall for Harvey's crimes so Gotham could remain inspired by the lawman's former idealism, continues to be reviled and MIA as the story begins."
"still in exile" "continues to be reviled and missing in action" when the movies begins after the 8 years. Missing in action does not mean he is in action at all, exile doesn't mean he is creeping around being Batman helping the police with small crimes that they don't even need his help with.
I believe his victory is public though... I think I can safely theorize that the big huge riot scene where it is Bane and his men against Batman and the cops is part of the end. What happens after that, I don't know.
I don't have a problem with it it just doesn't feel that way to me. I doubt it. It doesn't seem like Bruce/ Batman. I don't believe he can let go of Batman at this point of his life for 8 years. I don't think there will be a time he can let go of Batman until TDKR is resolved in it's final act. I think he has been gone a long time, sure. I just don't think he's been gone for the entire 8 years. Peace doesn't come immediately after TDK. The Dent Act takes time. Batman is there. If you are right and when the movie gets here there is no mention of ANYTHING during those 8 years, nothing happened at all, than I will say you were right and I was wrong.
For now, I'll put my money on Gotham not going into a Communist Utopian society for 8 years.
It won't be a utopia, I never said that. Sure, problems may arise, but nothing like the Joker or Scarecrow...it is peace time. Johnathan Nolan's quote is "What if the plan actually worked" in regards to stopping crime in Gotham and Nolan follows with a line about papering over the cracks because their plan won't work after things finally bubble up over the pot.
Of course, you guys know all these quotes already and will just come back with...
" I just can't see him not being Batman for 8 years", "Exile doesn't have to mean retired." , "He'll help the police more covertly...sneaking around, he is Batman, they don't have to see him."
He won't help if he doesn't want to, he won't help if there is nothing to help with, he won't help if he the whole police force would arrest him on site, he won't taunt the police and his friend Gordon by escaping getting caught time after time.
If his goal was to stop crime and "it actually worked", why would he risk dangering that lie by being out in the open at all?
To end this... people who say Batman will not be retired will believe it no matter what people who believe he is retired says until the movie comes out and shows what is correct and what is not.
I will just say again I find it hard to believe batman has literally not been around even Once in 8 years. It's just a probability thing with me. I really don't have a strong opinion on it. I feel in all probability there was at least one incident which required Batman. It's more logical than he was gone for 8 years and seriously we mean 8 years. I don't see anything that proves not 1 event has happened the whole 8 years.
I was thinking once, how are they going to approach Catwoman at the beginning of the movie? Does she first appear in Gotham when we first see her in TDKR, or sometime during the last 8 years has this "world class criminal" been causing random problems around the city from time to time. Has she been around for a while? Is she this mysterious entity that nobody knows who she is but she has a tendency to disrupt the peace every now and than? That could drive Batman out. Maybe they have met before TDKR begins. it's just a thought I had.
I have thought of a few possible scenarios where Batman might have been around Gotham just once or twice during the 8 years. I don't remember them off the top of my head, it was a while ago, but that one above is the one I kept asking myself the most.
Well it says Batman is forced out by two new threats. One should be Catwoman.
Catwoman tempts Batman to return, but being that I don't think she is a mass murdering type, I say he stays put, then, he is forced to finally do something when Bane shows up. ...that is, if he is able to.
I don't see why it has to be either he was active the whole 8 years or he was gone the whole 8 years. I would say he probably stopped somewhere in the middle. I don't think immediately after TDK all of Gotham's problem just went away. Things took time. Eventually, who knows how long it took, Batman was no longer needed.
I agree with this. The peace can work and at the point it does, a set number of years after TDK - Batman realises this and moves on.
And The Joker's (the user) comment about the peace time reference in the trailer:
8 years later. They also mention the Mayor is going to get rid of Gordon because of it. If Gotham was in peace time for 8 years then why wasn't Gordon dumped by the Mayor a long time ago if Gordon's surplus to requirements during this blessed peace time?
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