88th Annual Academy Awards

[DarthSkywalker]

Do i expect it? Definitely not, unless we're talking Dark Knight level good.

lol maybe Affleck's Batman directed film has a chance, he's an Academy favourite with his directed films.

So if you don't think the movies are that good, what is the problem? I understand not being a fan of the disdain some show, but are we going to act like the genre is being snubbed?

Well before Star Wars and Jurassic World came along, films like the Avengers and Dark Knight were breaking records.

Plus if a studio wants to release a blockbuster film in the summer then best bets go to releasing a superhero film for a good box office.

This just isn't true. Outside of MCU, which is legit but also has some less then stellar showing, the biggest box office guarantees are Lucasfilms, James Cameron, the Despicable Me franchise, The Fast series, Harry Potter, and Disney/Pixar animation.

 

[Sawyer]

The Avengers maybe?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's a competently made movie that ensnared the zeitgeist and brought change to franchise filmmaking in one stride, you can do far worse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Avengers maybe?

If the whole film was as good as the final act, I'd agree. But I just find it super middling until that point, outside of a few stand out scenes. I also feel that it isn't a well directed or shot film. TWS imo is the best Marvel has to offer, and I wouldn't have nominated it.

I feel like throwing this many awards/noms her way this early in her career/life is just setting her up for failure in the long run.

It is possible. I guess the backlash could be a real thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's a competently made movie that ensnared the zeitgeist and brought change to franchise filmmaking in one stride, you can do far worse.

TDK did that while also being a great film imo.

 

[jokesonm3]

So if you don't think the movies are that good, what is the problem? I understand not being a fan of the disdain some show, but are we going to act like the genre is being snubbed?


This just isn't true. Outside of MCU, which is legit but also has some less then stellar showing, the biggest box office guarantees are Lucasfilms, James Cameron, the Despicable Me franchise, The Fast series, Harry Potter, and Disney/Pixar animation.

I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Mainly because i have no idea what we're talking about.

 

[Drizzle]

Let's be honest, they've nominated worse films than The Avengers for Best Picture.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

it isn't a well directed or shot film.

That depends. It's very well acted. The actors comfortably jog through Whedon's cracking wit. That's a point for good direction.

And the action is coherent. Which, given its scale, comparable to the incoherent Transformers films, is also a plus. Not to mention the team circular shot and the splash page single take will etch itself into cinema history.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Let's be honest, they've nominated worse films than The Avengers for Best Picture.

Debatable, but there was only one out of the 9 nominated in 2012 I'd suggest was a worse film. The rest were much better.

 

[Victarion]

JL is basically the Academy's main bae at this point. She could do a movie dealing with a woman's bout with diarrhea in real time and the Academy would be like "YAAAAS KWEEN, THAT'S GREAT DRAMA!!!!"

Shame she didn't get the role of Danaerys Targaryen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That depends. It's very well acted. The actors comfortably jog through Whedon's cracking wit. That's a point for good direction.

And the action is coherent. Which, given its scale, comparable to the incoherent Transformers films, is also a plus. Not to mention the team circular shot and the splash page single take will etch itself into cinema history.

The actors have done that in all the Marvel films they have been in, and except with Ruffalo and Renner who have only appeared in the Avengers flicks, have done it better with other directors.

The action is coherent, but rather bland, lacking speed or kinetic energy outside of the "single take", which is rather glorious imo. The rest of the film is hurt by a horrid color timing and dutch angles out the backside. A lot of the conversation scenes are shot like a television show.

I actually think this is an interesting subject, considering your take on TFA and JJ's work on it. Do you think that film will leave less of a mark on cinema history?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Shame she didn't get the role of Danaerys Targaryen.

There are a lot of reasons that is a shame.

 

[Broseph44]

Just finished The Revenant, really good Some beautiful visuals as well. And when it comes to the violence it doesn't hold back at all. Which really makes it that much more believable. Felt very realistic. The bear scene was scary, still fresh in my mind.

 

[Sithborg]

I feel like throwing this many awards/noms her way this early in her career/life is just setting her up for failure in the long run.

I think her symbiotic relationship to David O. Russell is a bit more dangerous. I think she needs to break from him for awhile.

 

[jmc]

The Avengers maybe?

Dude, seriously?

 

[Sawyer]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-fresh-prince-actress-responds-857028

So I see Aunt Viv isn't having any of this...

 

[redhawk23]

You do realize that Inarritu is nominated after winning last year right? Does he not count anymore?

This is confounding two different issues. Available roles with the most deserving nominees. That is two wholly different things. There being Oscarbait studios has nothing to do with race and thus doesn't matter to this argument. Everyone knows you have to play the game to be nominated, no matter your race. It is why certain directors and actors have problems, no matter their race or sex.

You bring up RT. Let's look at the Critic Choice Awards:

http://www.thewrap.com/critics-choice-awards-the-complete-winners-list-updating-live/

This isn't even a minority thing. This is literally only a problem because no one black was nominated.

Inarritu is one guy. That is pretty much the equivalent of saying "Institutional Racism is over. We have a Black President."

And even if it is a matter of a black issue...that's still an issue.

"Everyone knows how to play the game" and yet apparently only white filmmakers play the game?

Again even if you consider that there are fewer roles, those roles are still underrepresented when it comes time for recognition.

The "game" as it were is an expensive one and the resources available to play it are pretty specifically concentrated.

Frame it this way, 20 people have been nominated for acting awards. 20 were nominated last year. Both years, every single acting nomination went to a white actor or actress. The year before that only 2 nominees of 20 were non-white. The patterns are obvious and the reasons are systemic. No one is really saying that there is a conspiracy of academy members saying "LET'S ONLY NOMINATE WHITE FOLK!" but that there are a number of reasons, within the academy and within the film industry in general that lead to those patterns.

 

[Kane52630]

This gif is going to be outdated...

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

The kid who played Agu in Beasts of No Nation did a better job than Redmayne. Shame he got no recognition

 

[Thundercrack85]

People do seem to forget that America is predominately white. I mean, there is an underrepresentation, but even best case scenario, you're looking at what? 2 out of 20?

 

[redhawk23]

Think of this way, as of 2014 the Academy voters were 94% white where as nationally the population is just over 60% as of 6 years ago.

 

[redhawk23]

This is the most accurate breakdown and analysis of the nominations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...of-2016/?postshare=7711453128498407&tid=ss_tw

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Inarritu is one guy. That is pretty much the equivalent of saying "Institutional Racism is over. We have a Black President."

And even if it is a matter of a black issue...that's still an issue.

"Everyone knows how to play the game" and yet apparently only white filmmakers play the game?

Again even if you consider that there are fewer roles, those roles are still underrepresented when it comes time for recognition.

The "game" as it were is an expensive one and the resources available to play it are pretty specifically concentrated.

Frame it this way, 20 people have been nominated for acting awards. 20 were nominated last year. Both years, every single acting nomination went to a white actor or actress. The year before that only 2 nominees of 20 were non-white. The patterns are obvious and the reasons are systemic. No one is really saying that there is a conspiracy of academy members saying "LET'S ONLY NOMINATE WHITE FOLK!" but that there are a number of reasons, within the academy and within the film industry in general that lead to those patterns.

The studios run the campaigns, they cast the roles. This is not an Academy problem, it is a studio problem. You want to complain about the studios, fine. It has nothing to do with the Academy.

What is most important to this conversation is that outside of Redmayne, who exactly doesn't deserve to be there this year and last year? There seems to be a lot of complaining of under representation, but people who do you kick out and why are we doing this other then for race? It is ridiculous.

And the problem with the black issue idea, is that it makes it more apparent this isn't actually about race. They are mad their family and friends didn't get nominated, so they use the smoke screen of race to complain. It is super disingenuous. The biggest award handed out to an individual is Best Director. Out of the last 6, one was a white woman, two were Mexican men, one was an Asian man, one Jewish man, and one white man. Do these other minorities no longer count?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-fresh-prince-actress-responds-857028

So I see Aunt Viv isn't having any of this...

She nailed it. Jada is complaining because Will didn't get nominated, for a movie he didn't deserve to get nominated for. All the while they are the machine they complain about. The king and queen of nepotism.

 

[CaptainWagner]

They are only being called snubs because of they are minority-driven films. I can't comment on Beasts of No Nation, but other then that the only snub I see there is Bencio.

These movies need to be better then the movies and performances nominated. They aren't imo.

It all just comes down to opinion, then. I think Coogler, Jordan, Elba, del Toro, Creed, Straight Outta Compton, and Benico del Toro are all awful snubs.

The kid who played Agu in Beasts of No Nation did a better job than Redmayne. Shame he got no recognition

Steve Carell, Michael B Jordan, and several others were all better than Redmayne, in my opinion.

As for The Avengers, I don't know whether I would call in BP material. It's been too long since I've seen it or the other Noms from that year.