88th Annual Academy Awards

[DarthSkywalker]

It all just comes down to opinion, then. I think Coogler, Jordan, Elba, del Toro, Creed, Straight Outta Compton, and Benico del Toro are all awful snubs.

Have you seen all the films nominated for BP?

 

[CaptainWagner]

Think of this way, as of 2014 the Academy voters were 94% white where as nationally the population is just over 60% as of 6 years ago.

This is why I feel that those complaining have a point. I'm not saying it's some rule that voters automatically favor candidates of their own race, but when you compare the Acadamy's membership ratio to the ratio of the American public and then to the actual nominations, it's easy to see a correlation. Now, this is admittedly more a problem with the Industry as a whole, but I think it's wrong to say the Oscars aren't in need of change.

Have you seen all the films nominated for BP?

I should clarify, I haven't seen Room, Brooklyn or The Revenant. I plan to see them all before the Oscars. But even without seeing them, there's two conspicuously empty spots in the BP list.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The actors have done that in all the Marvel films they have been in, and except with Ruffalo and Renner who have only appeared in the Avengers flicks, have done it better with other directors

Other than RDJ, who indeed was at his peak in Iron Man 1, all the other actors, I felt, were better than they were in their solo films. Evans was more at ease as Cap and Hemsworth better inhabited the role. Besides, it's another ball game entirely to get these characters to interact with each other and do it well.

The action is coherent, but rather bland, lacking speed or kinetic energy outside of the "single take", which is rather glorious imo. The rest of the film is hurt by a horrid color timing and dutch angles out the backside. A lot of the conversation scenes are shot like a television show.

I liked the 'neutral' color timing of the film better than its sequel's filter happy look. It worked for some scenes, like when Wanda was toying with their minds. But the rest of the time it looked plain ugly; making me look fondly back at the bland color scheme of Avengers 1.

On the dialogue, yup, that's Whedon's biggest folly. Everything looks so ...flat in the non-action scenes.

I actually think this is an interesting subject, considering your take on TFA and JJ's work on it. Do you think that film will leave less of a mark on cinema history?

Depends on what you mean. Will it make Hollywood overhaul the method by which they make franchise films (i.e, cinematic worlds, serialized storytelling)? Probably not. Neither did it evolve the tools of making a movie that other films will follow like Avatar did.

 

[weezerspider]

Seriously anyone who actually thinks Creed was snubbed is just plain stupid. The film is well done, but it's as cookie-cutter as they come. You really think the Academy were gonna nominate a cookie-cutter genre piece? You really think the Academy was going to nominate a 28 year old director? Really? Really?! The only person who got any weight to his role in that film got nominated. The rest of the film is just a really well made genre film. That's never going to win any major awards, nor should it. The fact that so many people see Creed as a "great" film shows just how bad taste is right now. People are so desperate for something other than superheroes that a well made, generic boxing film becomes Raging Bull in their eyes.

 

[Kane52630]

Seriously anyone who actually thinks Creed was snubbed is just plain stupid. The film is well done, but it's as cookie-cutter as they come. You really think the Academy were gonna nominate a cookie-cutter genre piece? You really think the Academy was going to nominate a 28 year old director? Really? Really?! The only person who got any weight to his role in that film got nominated. The rest of the film is just a really well made genre film. That's never going to win any major awards, nor should it. The fact that so many people see Creed as a "great" film shows just how bad taste is right now. People are so desperate for something other than superheroes that a well made, generic boxing film becomes Raging Bull in their eyes.

 

[kvz5]

Seriously anyone who actually thinks Creed was snubbed is just plain stupid. The film is well done, but it's as cookie-cutter as they come. You really think the Academy were gonna nominate a cookie-cutter genre piece? You really think the Academy was going to nominate a 28 year old director? Really? Really?! The only person who got any weight to his role in that film got nominated. The rest of the film is just a really well made genre film. That's never going to win any major awards, nor should it. The fact that so many people see Creed as a "great" film shows just how bad taste is right now. People are so desperate for something other than superheroes that a well made, generic boxing film becomes Raging Bull in their eyes.

While I completely agree with you that Creed doesn't deserve a BP nod, let's play nice and please not go that route of people thinking otherwise are stupid. It's all about personal taste.

Personally, if there's any film that people should be rightfully outraged about for being snubbed of the BP, it's Carol.

 

[dark_b]

there are a lot of generic movies nominated with white directors and white actors and noone complains .

i guess everyone can be nominated as long as its not from an asian and black artist.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I love that the Oscars has become the battleground for racism and diversity in America. Imagine if all that fervor was put towards a real issue, rather than worrying about which crazy rich person is getting a gold trophy.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Seriously anyone who actually thinks Creed was snubbed is just plain stupid. The film is well done, but it's as cookie-cutter as they come. You really think the Academy were gonna nominate a cookie-cutter genre piece? You really think the Academy was going to nominate a 28 year old director? Really? Really?! The only person who got any weight to his role in that film got nominated. The rest of the film is just a really well made genre film. That's never going to win any major awards, nor should it. The fact that so many people see Creed as a "great" film shows just how bad taste is right now. People are so desperate for something other than superheroes that a well made, generic boxing film becomes Raging Bull in their eyes.

 

[Golgo-13]

Now, anytime an ethnic actor/actress gets nominated ppl will think, the only reason they got nominated was because of what happened with the Oscars in 2016.

Many of us are on the outside looking in. So if Hollywood insiders like Jada, Spike and others are saying there's a real issue...then there's a real issue. Even the Academy head is frustrated. I guess she has no control how the voting goes....

 

[Warhammer]

As far as minorities are concerned, the biggest thing that upset me was that Del Toro got snubbed. I mean, really. He got snubbed like hell. And Jason Mitchell not getting nominated was damn near travesty.

 

[Doctor Jones]

But it's for the better. This is a legit systemic concern that runs deeper than just the ****ing Oscars. There's a lack of "worthy" diversity in these nominations because there's a lack of diversity in Hollywood to produce diverse films with diverse actors. Once the playing field is leveled we'll see as many great diverse actors as there are white actors who are predominant in film. Then you can have a great variety of diversely nominated actors and everyone can go back to arguing about subjectivity, but at least the playing field is leveled which is the most important thing.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Seriously anyone who actually thinks Creed was snubbed is just plain stupid. The film is well done, but it's as cookie-cutter as they come. You really think the Academy were gonna nominate a cookie-cutter genre piece? You really think the Academy was going to nominate a 28 year old director? Really? Really?! The only person who got any weight to his role in that film got nominated. The rest of the film is just a really well made genre film. That's never going to win any major awards, nor should it. The fact that so many people see Creed as a "great" film shows just how bad taste is right now. People are so desperate for something other than superheroes that a well made, generic boxing film becomes Raging Bull in their eyes.

Or, you know, maybe that's just your opinion......

 

[jmc]

I initially wanted Creed in the running but as time went by and the more I thought of it I gotta admit it really doesn't do anything we haven't seen before. It does it extremely well, almost better than the original, but it's also a road that's been travelled on many times in the past. Even thought I really love the movie I can kinda understand why it was overlooked in hindsight.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I honestly don't care. It's not about what, it's about how a movie is made and the how of it was extremely well executed even if there were some things we saw in the previous films. It revamped those things and wrapped it in new skin for us to take away that feels like it was its own thing. Plus... all that made me FEEL great. That can't be faked. Coogler did something right. He took an idea nobody else could have been interested in or been willing to do and made not just a great Rocky film, but a great boxing film and a great film.

 

[Galactus10]

there are a lot of generic movies nominated with white directors and white actors and noone complains .

i guess everyone can be nominated as long as its not from an asian and black artist.

Ang Lee has won 2 Oscars, one within the last 4 years.

Steve McQueen's film won Best Picture two years ago.

Selma had a black female director and that was nominated for BP just LAST YEAR.

Historically, I believe John Singleton was the youngest director to be nominated for Best Director

 

[SuperT]

there are a lot of generic movies nominated with white directors and white actors and noone complains .

Seriously. This kind of mentality just furthers the idea that as minorities we, or our projects, always have to be ten times better to get noticed. We don't get to be mediocre and still get lauded with awards.

 

[Drizzle]

Seriously anyone who actually thinks Creed was snubbed is just plain stupid. The film is well done, but it's as cookie-cutter as they come. You really think the Academy were gonna nominate a cookie-cutter genre piece? You really think the Academy was going to nominate a 28 year old director? Really? Really?! The only person who got any weight to his role in that film got nominated. The rest of the film is just a really well made genre film. That's never going to win any major awards, nor should it. The fact that so many people see Creed as a "great" film shows just how bad taste is right now. People are so desperate for something other than superheroes that a well made, generic boxing film becomes Raging Bull in their eyes.

Since when does age have anything to do with it? John Singleton was 24 when he was nominated for "Boyz n the Hood".

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

As if the Martian, Spotlight, the Danish Girl and yes in my opinion even as a huge fan of the movie, having seen it many times in the theater, Mad Max, deserved to be nominated. It's cool that Mad Max and the Martian were nominated but I found Creed, Straight Outta Compton, Sicario, Ex Machina and the Gift to be much better films. All that said, it's nothing more than a circle-jerk for rich people so who cares?

 

[Lady C]

What a weak performance this was. He must have thought it was a dress rehearsal. How he is nominated for leading actor is beyond me.

 

[antonydelfini]

Although I agree that Creed is no masterpiece nor does it deserve a Best Pic nod, I have no beef against people who believe it does.

 

[terry78]

The long and short of it is there ain't enough roles for brown people in the biz. Like meaty roles that are Oscar bait.

 

[CB Fan]

The long and short of it is there ain't enough roles for brown people in the biz. Like meaty roles that are Oscar bait.

Yup. But I'd add Asians in that mix too. Whoopi Goldberg said it best 'this happens almost every year it's a popular discussion topic and then once awards season is up it all dies down only to be brought up again the next year'. She said if you wanna take a stand don't boycott the oscars boycott the movies that lack diversity in roles.

 

[Frodo]

There are clearly all kinds of bias which come into play when it comes to the Academy voters , not all of them having to do with race. Ultimately, the AA is a business, and they're unlikely to change unless you start hurting their pocket books in such a way that it they're finances outweigh their biases.

 

[redhawk23]

Ang Lee has won 2 Oscars, one within the last 4 years.

Steve McQueen's film won Best Picture two years ago.

Selma had a black female director and that was nominated for BP just LAST YEAR.

Historically, I believe John Singleton was the youngest director to be nominated for Best Director

And they practically went out of their way not to nominate her. Selma was up for Best Picture but not for director. Fox Catcher was up for Director but not Picture despite there being more Picture slots than director.

It was laughable.