9.06 - Crossfire - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Mike22]

Well that's probably why you dont get it, because you don't pay enough attention to it.

No, that's not it. Just because I don't approve of this version, doesn't mean I turn my head the other way when ever they're on. I do follow the story, I just don't do it with any enthusiasm at all. Maybe I should have been more specific when I stated that, as you seem to have misunderstood.

No disrespect here, but I honestly think its pretty short sighted for you to think that they would create a show that only interests a small section of the TV audience out there. The Lois and Clark romance is a big part of the Superman mythology and something that ALOT of people are really in to and want to see. As Pat said, its not really something you can explain, it just is.

Hehehe, well then, I gotta say, you people have got to be some of the most romantic people I have ever come across to get all giggly when ever two made up characters share an affectionate look.
I don't mind the romance itself, I just have issues with this particular story, because it feels so damn forced. Like I said in the previous post, I have yet to hear any kind of logical reason as to why they would feel this way about each other now, especially after all the years they've been around each other. This is what I mean by forced. It has never seemed natural in this version of the story. It was done for on the reliance that people knew they would get together , and they just decided that they should start at it and the fans would accept because after all that IS what happens in the comics, only not this early, which has been my point all along.

For me Superman has always held an interest because of the way he interacts on a human level, not because of all of the Super Saves and action that he can entertain me with. It doesn't mean I don't appreciate all of that that goes with it though.

For me he's a piece of entertainment that I greatly enjoy following through any incarnation of the character. I loved the romance in Lois and Clark because it was so well done, on smallville it isn't.

It gets people excited because its been building up over 4 years, you anticipate it and now its happening. People are going to get excited when Clark eventually flies too, its been building up over the years, you antiicpate it and its finally going to happen. All I can say to that is, rewatch Seasons 4 to 8 and you'll see plenty of build up.

Do not compare the romance stuff to the flying. People have been waiting to see flying since day one of Smallville. Nobody even thought we'd see Lois on this show.
With all due respect, it hasn't been building ****.They introduced Lois fully aware that most people knew that is who he would end up with. Everyone that has the slightest bit of knowledge about superman knows about lois lane and that they eventually will end up together. There was no build up to it anything. It was taken for granted that people were aware their future together and that's exactly what has happened in which we have never actually gotten a clear explanation as to why Clark is so attracted to her.

And I think the majority of Oliver Queen's story is boring as hell too, but you gotta take the good with the bad when you're watching TV.

I've been far more welcoming to Olivers story than I have with watching the Lois and Clark stuff lately.

And that really is what it boils down to for you, its just not your cup of tea.

Not this version, no.
I have no issues what so ever with romance done properly. It can be a beautiful thing, but smallville's Lois and Clark simply do not fall under that category.

 

[flickchick85]

Hey all, just thought I'd pop my head into this board to say that I haven't watched Smallville since I was back in high school (during season 3, I believe), but due to unexpected circumstances and lack of tv viewing options, I ended up tuning in on Friday for the first time in like 6 years, and I have to say I was actually VERY pleasantly surprised.

I quit watching the show all those years ago largely because of the whole Clark/Lana annoyance, the repetitive freak-of-the-weak formula and the general (imo) inanity of the writing. I had started watching it because I thought, "ooh, a live action Superman show! I loved Lois and Clark when I was little, so I should love this!" But by the time I quit, it didn't seem like a Superman show at all. Just a teenage soap (complete with shoddy acting from the two "romantic leads") with superpowers.

But THIS, what I saw on Friday, had none of those things I hated before. Not only does this seem like a Superman show, but perhaps a pretty darn good one (it's hard to say for certain based on one episode). Lana's gone, and this girl who plays Lois seems to have 10x the talent and charisma that Kristin Kreuk had, and she even brings out some fantastic chemistry with Tom Welling, who was the most surprising thing to me when I watched this. I used to think he was a complete black hole of talent, but he was actually very enjoyable to watch this episode, and for the first time, I can actually seem him as the guy who becomes Superman (he's almost there!). And there's an actual villain (I've loved Callum Blue since Dead Like Me. Definitely a great addition.)! The lame Matrix-y costume is still a bummer and I wish Clark had the glasses, but other than that, it seems like a very interesting take on the Superman story.

I've heard folks say that SV had a major turnaround in its creative team and general direction in S8, and wow, was it for the better, from what I've seen. Even the cinematography seems to be of a higher class. I'm very impressed at how fresh this show can seem in it's 9th year, while so often other shows *cough*Heroes*cough* run themselves into the ground after season 1.

Anyway, I'm Netflixing season 8 now to get caught up on the good stuff (no way I'm wading through 4 more seasons of that Lana crap), and I think I'm gonna add this show to my DVR list now. Good episode.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Nobody even thought we'd see Lois on this show.
With all due respect, it hasn't been building ****.They introduced Lois fully aware that most people knew that is who he would end up with. Everyone that has the slightest bit of knowledge about superman knows about lois lane and that they eventually will end up together. There was no build up to it anything. It was taken for granted that people were aware their future together and that's exactly what has happened in which we have never actually gotten a clear explanation as to why Clark is so attracted to her.

Well according to the creators of the series, They always had the intention to bring in the iconic Lois Lane in the series from the get-go, they just needed a good reason to do it.

From the debut of Lois Lane in season 4 in this series till now TPTB have been building up the relationship of these two iconic couple into the legendary couple of the Superman mythology . They've lay down the foundation work and showed the progress of their relationship
From total Strangers .... To Rivals....To Partners....To Secret Friends.....To Best Friends...To Romantic Lovers.....To finally Pre-Destined Soulmates.

 

[Ghostvirus]

What is the reason again that Green Arrow wasn't given a spinoff?

 

[Syncos]

was it established that he illegally hacked into places (much like Chloe does every episode)? I must have missed that part...

Chloe ran his fingerprints and found out he hacked a bunch of government systems and such

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What is the reason again that Green Arrow wasn't given a spinoff?

How about that in small doses fans like him, but in larger doses like the last few weeks, fans get bored

 

[Webhead2006]

cause really any spin offs never went past ideal stage for smallville. (besides aquaman and we saw that being victum of the wb/upn merger).

 

[The Caped Knight]

What is the reason again that Green Arrow wasn't given a spinoff?

Well unlike Batman or Superman, Arrow doesn't have a strong supporting cast other than (Black Canary, Speedy-Roy Harper & Mia). He's got a very weak Rogue Gallery of villains .

 

[avidreader]

No, that's not it. Just because I don't approve of this version, doesn't mean I turn my head the other way when ever they're on. I do follow the story, I just don't do it with any enthusiasm at all. Maybe I should have been more specific when I stated that, as you seem to have misunderstood.

Perhaps I did misunderstand, but I thought you said you dont pay attention to that stuff because it bores you. Anyhow, moving on.

Hehehe, well then, I gotta say, you people have got to be some of the most romantic people I have ever come across to get all giggly when ever two made up characters share an affectionate look.

Oh come on!! Everybody loves a good romance, its been the major ingredient for so many successful movies and TV shows. People cant get enough of that kind of stuff.

I don't mind the romance itself, I just have issues with this particular story, because it feels so damn forced.

Well I dont like the forced stuff either. See I had a a few problems with Echo, because I'm not sure that Lois would really be thinking the kind of stuff that she was thinking. However, I did love their scene on the couch in Roulette because it felt extremely natural.

When something has to happen, because that's the way its written it can leave you wondering.... take Romeo and Juliet for instance. I often wonder if they hadnt killed themselves would they have been divorced within two years, after all they barely new each other?? However, they go down in history as the most romantic couple ever because of their tragedy and because that's the way its written.

Like I said in the previous post, I have yet to hear any kind of logical reason as to why they would feel this way about each other now, especially after all the years they've been around each other. This is what I mean by forced. It has never seemed natural in this version of the story.

Well there are lots of people in real life that fall in love that way. They start out as acquaintances, not sure if they really like each other because they have annoying traits that bug each other to death, then they slowly get to know each other and understand each other better.... (take Clark's reading of Lois's profile in this episode). After understanding comes respect and appreciation of that person, and then once what was an annoying trait, becomes an affectionate and endearing quality. So then you slowly start to change your feelings about this person and it eventually grows into love. A very natural progression.

It was done for on the reliance that people knew they would get together , and they just decided that they should start at it and the fans would accept because after all that IS what happens in the comics, only not this early, which has been my point all along.

So you dont like it because it has never been done this early before? And see I never understood in the movies why Clark was so in to Lois... because as far as I'm concerned she was cold and rude to him and didnt require a second glance from him. Pretty much the same with L & C, Clark was in love with Lois from the moment he met her? Is that natural?

For me he's a piece of entertainment that I greatly enjoy following through any incarnation of the character. I loved the romance in Lois and Clark because it was so well done, on smallville it isn't.

I was a big fan of L & C and I think they developed Lois's love for Clark very nicely, but as I said above, why would Clark be head over heels in love with her from the moment he met her? And the answer to that would be because that's the way its written.

Do not compare the romance stuff to the flying. People have been waiting to see flying since day one of Smallville. Nobody even thought we'd see Lois on this show.

It was just a comparison of anticipation building up over several seasons and finally coming to fruition.

Love does not = Flying

With all due respect, it hasn't been building ****.

So what is it you think they have been doing with the two of them since they've been thrown together in Season 4? Clark started out in Season 4 by saying he "cant stand her" and by the end of that Season they were two people who had a better understanding and appreciation of each other.... cue their scene in the barn in Commencement.

They introduced Lois fully aware that most people knew that is who he would end up with. Everyone that has the slightest bit of knowledge about superman knows about lois lane and that they eventually will end up together. There was no build up to it anything.

So then, introducing Lois Lane to a show about Superman is wrong how?

It was taken for granted that people were aware their future together and that's exactly what has happened in which we have never actually gotten a clear explanation as to why Clark is so attracted to her.

He said it in this last episode.

She's Lois.

Nothing more needs to be added to that statement.

I've been far more welcoming to Olivers story than I have with watching the Lois and Clark stuff lately.

Really? You enjoy watching Oliver get all emo over, I still dont know exactly. I thought at first it was Jimmy's death and how the Doomsday situation was handled, but in the end it seemed to be regret over killing Lex.

Not this version, no.
I have no issues what so ever with romance done properly. It can be a beautiful thing, but smallville's Lois and Clark simply do not fall under that category.

Well if you dont like them as a couple in this version, then that's a shame for you, because like the producer at the television studio in this episode, I could sit and watch them in a verbal exchange for hours and the kiss at the end was icing on the cake. They make me smile and that makes me happy.

 

[Superfreak]

Hey all, just thought I'd pop my head into this board to say that I haven't watched Smallville since I was back in high school (during season 3, I believe), but due to unexpected circumstances and lack of tv viewing options, I ended up tuning in on Friday for the first time in like 6 years, and I have to say I was actually VERY pleasantly surprised.

I quit watching the show all those years ago largely because of the whole Clark/Lana annoyance, the repetitive freak-of-the-weak formula and the general (imo) inanity of the writing. I had started watching it because I thought, "ooh, a live action Superman show! I loved Lois and Clark when I was little, so I should love this!" But by the time I quit, it didn't seem like a Superman show at all. Just a teenage soap (complete with shoddy acting from the two "romantic leads") with superpowers.

But THIS, what I saw on Friday, had none of those things I hated before. Not only does this seem like a Superman show, but perhaps a pretty darn good one (it's hard to say for certain based on one episode). Lana's gone, and this girl who plays Lois seems to have 10x the talent and charisma that Kristin Kreuk had, and she even brings out some fantastic chemistry with Tom Welling, who was the most surprising thing to me when I watched this. I used to think he was a complete black hole of talent, but he was actually very enjoyable to watch this episode, and for the first time, I can actually seem him as the guy who becomes Superman (he's almost there!). And there's an actual villain (I've loved Callum Blue since Dead Like Me. Definitely a great addition.)! The lame Matrix-y costume is still a bummer and I wish Clark had the glasses, but other than that, it seems like a very interesting take on the Superman story.

I've heard folks say that SV had a major turnaround in its creative team and general direction in S8, and wow, was it for the better, from what I've seen. Even the cinematography seems to be of a higher class. I'm very impressed at how fresh this show can seem in it's 9th year, while so often other shows *cough*Heroes*cough* run themselves into the ground after season 1.

Anyway, I'm Netflixing season 8 now to get caught up on the good stuff (no way I'm wading through 4 more seasons of that Lana crap), and I think I'm gonna add this show to my DVR list now. Good episode.

if you skip the couple of episodes that follow the awesome wedding episode, you'll save yourself a whole tangent journey into Lana idiocy.

 

[JackMercy]

Hi folks...

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but my favorite line from this epi was surely Clark's: "...I'm more of a behind-the-scenes kind of guy."

...Which, as most of you are aware, is amusing for multiple reasons...



Oh, and for those wondering, ol' Zoddy was drinking an espresso...(perhaps a double, considering that without powers, he probably needed it!)

 

[flickchick85]

if you skip the couple of episodes that follow the awesome wedding episode, you'll save yourself a whole tangent journey into Lana idiocy.

Sounds like a great idea, thanks for the heads-up.

 

[Zorex]

Hi folks...

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but my favorite line from this epi was surely Clark's: "...I'm more of a behind-the-scenes kind of guy."

...Which, as most of you are aware, is amusing for multiple reasons...



Oh, and for those wondering, ol' Zoddy was drinking an espresso...(perhaps a double, considering that without powers, he probably needed it!)

Just musing? I don't even know. I'm so used to you showing up and teasing us with delicious little preview riddles. Is there something here? Btw, have missed you, MrMercy.

 

[Webhead2006]

but u should see legion/bulletproof those were decent episodes during the lana return arc.

 

[The Caped Knight]

but u should see legion/bulletproof those were decent episodes during the lana return arc.

Avoid "Power" like the bloody plague it is .

 

[Prison Mike]

IMO, season 8 viewing should consist of episodes 1-11 and then 15-22. the stuff that happens in between isn't really referred to at all in the later episodes (well, episode 14 introduces Toyman but I would still skip it).

 

[flickchick85]

Lol, I feel like I should start writing this down. So 1-11 then 15-22...is that the consensus? Or is "Bulletproof" (#12) really worth enduring the Lana stuff for?

Also, I realize this is pretty OT for this episode thread, but you guys are proving quite helpful so what the heck - I'm thinking I actually want to briefly catch up on where the original showrunners left things, by watching only the ESSENTIAL episodes of S7. My question is, what would those be? If you could reduce S7 to the 8-12 episodes necessary to get what's going on, which episodes would you pick?

Thanks for all the feedback, guys!

 

[flash13]

Bizzaro
Kara
Lara
Blue
Siren
Traveler
Veritas
Descent
Arctic

Those are my essential season 7 eps

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Lol, I feel like I should start writing this down. So 1-11 then 15-22...is that the consensus? Or is "Bulletproof" (#12) really worth enduring the Lana stuff for?

Also, I realize this is pretty OT for this episode thread, but you guys are proving quite helpful so what the heck - I'm thinking I actually want to briefly catch up on where the original showrunners left things, by watching only the ESSENTIAL episodes of S7. My question is, what would those be? If you could reduce S7 to the 8-12 episodes necessary to get what's going on, which episodes would you pick?

Thanks for all the feedback, guys!

for S7... bizzaro and persona are personal favorites of mine 'cause welling made such an awesome villain plus the return of james marsters as braniac who is always welcome. The episode "descent" is a must as well, lex luthers final fall from morality. And i guess the finale, "arctic", just so you know what the hell is going on in the S8 premier.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Bizzaro
Kara
Siren
Veritas
Descent
Arctic

Those are my essential season 7 eps

Dude How could you forget "Apocalypse" ?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

oh yeah ! Apocalypse i forgot about that one in my post... definite must see.

 

[flash13]

Yeah Apocalypse was good, especially for the Lex as president scenes!

 

[Webhead2006]

well i thought bulletproof was g ood plus we got to see john jones again, intro of dan turpin, and clark pretending to be a cop. sure it was one of lana's episodes buy legion/bulletproof/bride were the better of her 5 episodes, but yea power crap, and requiem is only good for toyman.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

I know not everyone liked it, but "fracture" was a good season 7 ep too.

 

[Webhead2006]

sure there is some episodes from the early days i enjoyed alot that is universally panned as bad episodes.