Inhumans ABC's The Inhumans - General Discussion (news, updates, speculation...) - Part 1

[psylockolussus]

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[metaphysician]

lol

I would say Scott Buck is actually notably worse than average in this regard. Normally, you can please comic fans one of two ways:

1. Produce a good quality story, with well-acted characters who bring the heart of the source material to life on screen

2. Ignore the actual characters, and focus on filling the work with comic-accurate costumes, individual scenes framed to exactly match panels from the comics, and lots of 90s "kewl" indulgence

Scott Buck is notable in that his work on Iron Fist did neither. He didn't endeavor to tell a good, faithful story, but he *also* didn't provide any superficial indulgence either.

 

[2kt09]

I would say Scott Buck is actually notably worse than average in this regard. Normally, you can please comic fans one of two ways:

1. Produce a good quality story, with well-acted characters who bring the heart of the source material to life on screen

2. Ignore the actual characters, and focus on filling the work with comic-accurate costumes, individual scenes framed to exactly match panels from the comics, and lots of 90s "kewl" indulgence

Scott Buck is notable in that his work on Iron Fist did neither. He didn't endeavor to tell a good, faithful story, but he *also* didn't provide any superficial indulgence either.

Doesn't matter the era, although these are MA series...so k. Scott Buck did whatever we assumed would be in an IF show too late into the series. It definitely shouldn't have gone for the Netflix format that JJ, LC, and even DD (to an extent) rely on to build and maintain pace, which are fine for dramas with simpler narratives, but IF's drama was intentionally more plot-driven. If Inhumans is supposed to be the GoT of cbtv, the slower pace and dialogue heavy, ie character-driven, is warranted.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, I highly doubt this is going to be the Game of Thrones of comic book shows.

 

[KevTravels]

Surely Marvel execs must have seen dailies from the first few episodes and should have intervened. Whether it's dump more $$$ or rewrite episodes...they allowed a mess to come together.

 

[Zant]

https://www.cnet.com/news/marvel-inhumans-fast-and-cheap-director-roel-reine/

They wanted this show to premier this fall at all cost. Not sure why they were so scared to release this in January 2018 or fall 2018.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, IMAX wanted the first two episodes to premiere early September because that's when they have a gap in their schedule. I agree the remaining episodes could theoretically wait, but not those two.

I feel that headline is a bit misleading. Roel Reine's exact quote is, "I think they liked me for the job because I was able with my action movies to shoot in a very short time, or with very low budgets, action that looks like a big-budget movie," he said. "It was not a feature film, it was a TV episode, but they still wanted to have the scope."

Is that "fast and cheap"? Maybe. It is worth pointing out how he said that the filming time he had (20 days), is unusually long for him. It's also unusually long for two episodes of a TV show. As for "cheap." It's not technically wrong, but it misses the point of his quote, which was about hiring a director who can make a small budget look bigger. I don't think I've seen any of his work (probably the most famous is Black Sails, which I haven't watched), but there's a great sizzle reel on the internet (which has some nudity, so I can't post it) that does tend to show how his style works on relatively low budgets. It also shows how big a fan he is of handheld cameras, which they address here.

 

[KevTravels]

This is a high profile series from Marvel and they hired the guy who helmed direct to video sequels- Death Race 2 and The Scorpion King 3?

 

[psylockolussus]

Well it isn't as high profile as their movies.

 

[Dark Raven]

This is a high profile series from Marvel and they hired the guy who helmed direct to video sequels- Death Race 2 and The Scorpion King 3?

People kept passing the buck and no-one would take responsibility for it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well it isn't as high profile as their movies.

Yeah this isn't uncommon. Do you guys think James Cameron and Joss Whedon direct every episode of Agents of SHIELD? Whedon directed one episode.

 

[chamber-music]

Joe Russo directed a episode of Agent Carter.

 

[Mike Murdock]

This is a high profile series from Marvel and they hired the guy who helmed direct to video sequels- Death Race 2 and The Scorpion King 3?

Also, Black Sails and other TV shows.

 

[TheVileOne]

Joe Russo directed a episode of Agent Carter.

Yeah like one episode. You aren't going to get A-list talent like that doing multiple episodes for a series.

Anyway, I don't think the show is looking hot so far either, but that is a total clickbait hotline and sort of reaching from what the director said. His point was that he can shoot projects and make them look like a budget production and get them done quickly and on budget.

 

[KevTravels]

Yeah this isn't uncommon. Do you guys think James Cameron and Joss Whedon direct every episode of Agents of SHIELD? Whedon directed one episode.

I would have imagined they might have got someone who was directing Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead or something. Not a direct to video specialist.
Especially considering how high-profile this series is for Marvel.

 

[TheVileOne]

I would have imagined they might have got someone who was directing Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead or something. Not a direct to video specialist.
Especially considering how high-profile this series is for Marvel.

Maybe those guys weren't available?

Just for example, Wally Pfister did The Tick pilot. Pfister is best known as the DP for Chris Nolan's movie, but his only directorial feature is that sci-fi crud fest TRANSCENDENCE.

Also TV shows are more driven by the showrunners than the directors anyway.

I think my point is, this is just how it works with TV sometimes. Can anyone tell me the A-list directors who did the pilots for all the Marvel shows other than Joss Whedon? Tell me the directors of episode 1 for Luke Cage, Daredevil, and Jessica Jones off the top of your head. You'd probably have to check google or IMDB. You know who directed the first episode of Agent Carter? Louis D'Esposito. He doesn't have like an illustrious list of directing credits to his name. He's done a lot of Second Unit and AD work, but not big shows as the main director.

It wasn't until very recently that more major Hollywood directors started playing in TV more. What with people like Steven Soderbergh directing The Nick, David Lynch doing every episode of Twin Peaks the Return. Yes feature directors will work on TV. I think Bryan Singer's done it for a while, since House. But now since TV is getting so avant garde and experimental you are seeing more crossover.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah this isn't uncommon. Do you guys think James Cameron and Joss Whedon direct every episode of Agents of SHIELD? Whedon directed one episode.

No one recommended that a caliber of Cameron should direct every episode. But they could have at least hired someone more celebrated or more accomplished for the premiere instead of a direct to DVD film director.

 

[samsnee]

Wanting someone good and finding someone good and willing to take job are two separate things.

 

[KevTravels]

No one recommended that a caliber of Cameron should direct every episode. But they could have at least hired someone more celebrated or more accomplished for the premiere instead of a direct to DVD film director.

^This

 

[KevTravels]

Btw, why again is it premiering on IMAX and why is it only 8 episodes?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Premiering on IMAX because they are financing this show on that condition. Eight episodes probably because ABC wants to be careful with its investment. The hope was that they could devote more money per episode, but, while we haven't heard anything one way or the other (just that it's obviously less than a blockbuster movie), we certainly haven't heard that's the case.

 

[TheVileOne]

No one recommended that a caliber of Cameron should direct every episode. But they could have at least hired someone more celebrated or more accomplished for the premiere instead of a direct to DVD film director.

They might've tried and those guys weren't available.

 

[metaphysician]

I suspect the IMAX premiere might actually be some kind of contractual remnant of the original movie plan.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not so sure because IMAX is financing the production.

 

[psylockolussus]

They might've tried and those guys weren't available.

Yeah sure.