Inhumans ABC's The Inhumans - General Discussion (news, updates, speculation...) - Part 2

[Spider-Fan]

Inhumans I would say is a good example of why you can't do the Fantastic Four on TV, or at least shouldn't for right now. Even with the advances for many shows, it's still too limited.

This I agree with. While I actually did not hate episodes 1 and 2, this is clearly a TV show and it limits the power levels of the Inhumans. The FF can never work this restricted. I guess why I am okay with a scaled down version of Inhumans is because Feige just had no interest in it, and the Inhumans are lower tier than say the FF would be in popularity. Also, TV allows crossover with AoS.

At the end of the day, I will wait until we see the ending to determine if this is worst MCU project yet. For example, I loved Luke Cage at first, but Diamondback came in and ruined the show for me. I have to see it play out.

 

[psylockolussus]

The critical reception for this should be an eye opener for Marvel Tv. The film division only releases 2 to 3 films per year. They are highly budgeted, receive a fresh rating from Rt and does well at the box office and home media sales.

While the TV decision handles two ABC shows, releases 2 to 3 full seasons of a Netflix show per year and Runaways, Cloak & Dagger and New Warriors are coming out in less than a year. All of them (the ones I've seen) are under budgeted, the ABC shows aren't big performers in live ratings which I expect to be the case for the Inhumans/Freeform shows. The over all critical reception is also inconsistent. The shows also aren't well connected to the other shows. Like there's the Shield verse, Netflix verse and God knows if the other shows will make a clear connection to the other shows. In shoft, the TV side is a mess. Hopeful by phase five, Marvel would reboot the TV characters then reintroduce them into a film.

 

[Darkraid]

The Punisher, Runaways and C&D are getting good buzz from insiders.

It all depends on who is the showrunner.


You know, the bad Marvel tv shows have something in common. Give you a hint, its a name that sounds like a swear word.

 

[Darkraid]

The funniest thing about this show is when Medusa tried to call Black Bolt... That was real sad.

 

[Dasher10]

http://www.comicsbeat.com/inhumans-what-is-going-on-with-medusas-bra/

ABC voiced concerns that Marvel was cheaping out. This had nothing to do with it being an ABC show. It was entirely Marvel's fault.

ABC gave Marvel an $80 million budget which is twice what Daredevil and Luke Cage both got for their first seasons and it wound up looking cheaper than either. It's because Scott Buck can't properly allocate funds.

 

[Dasher10]

The funniest thing about this show is when Medusa tried to call Black Bolt... That was real sad.

I have no idea how that scene didn't get edited out. It's almost like the scripts were written by somebody who's completely incompetent.

 

[TheVileOne]

http://www.comicsbeat.com/inhumans-what-is-going-on-with-medusas-bra/

ABC voiced concerns that Marvel was cheaping out. This had nothing to do with it being an ABC show. It was entirely Marvel's fault.

ABC gave Marvel an $80 million budget which is twice what Daredevil and Luke Cage both got for their first seasons and it wound up looking cheaper than either. It's because Scott Buck can't properly allocate funds.

If ABC gave them $80 million, what did IMAX put in? Didn't they co-finance the show? I can buy into the show's first season costing that much, but I don't think it all came from ABC.

 

[Dasher10]

If ABC gave them $80 million, what did IMAX put in? Didn't they co-finance the show? I can buy into the show's first season costing that much, but I don't think it all came from ABC.

Okay, the total cost was $80 million for a first season from both companies. That's more than enough money to make a good-looking Inhumans series.

 

[TheVileOne]

Okay, the total cost was $80 million for a first season from both companies. That's more than enough money to make a good-looking Inhumans series.

No disagreement there. That's comparable to a season of Game of Thrones.

If that much money was spent on this, then I believe almost all of it was put toward making sure it would get done by September 1. I mean they didn't have much time to prep this. They started casting in like the spring for a September 1 launch.

So they had to rush this to release and also get the CG done for Lockjaw since he's in every episode.

 

[Dasher10]

No disagreement there. That's comparable to a season of Game of Thrones.

If that much money was spent on this, then I believe almost all of it was put toward making sure it would get done by September 1. I mean they didn't have much time to prep this. They started casting in like the spring for a September 1 launch.

So they had to rush this to release and also get the CG done for Lockjaw since he's in every episode.

Honestly, you're probably right about how it went wrong. IMHO, Marvel should have delayed the series instead of rushing it out the door. And it cheapens the Marvel brand since Marvel are used to dominating film and TV. Right now, there's a lot riding on Thor, Runaways and Punisher since those can't just be good, they have to knock it out of the park.

Keep in mind that Iron Fist was more than made up for with Guardians 2, Spider-Man and Defenders. If Thor, Runaways or Punisher winds up failing, then it taints the whole company.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think you are taking the TV and film connections a bit too seriously. The amount of people that watch these shows compared to how many people go to the movies, it's literally a fraction. It's a drop in the bucket for Marvel TV.

I mean does this hurt the Marvel TV brand if Inhumans is just one and done and a failure? Yeah. But it won't bring down Marvel Studios either.

 

[Dasher10]

I think you are taking the TV and film connections a bit too seriously. The amount of people that watch these shows compared to how many people go to the movies, it's literally a fraction. It's a drop in the bucket for Marvel TV.

I mean does this hurt the Marvel TV brand if Inhumans is just one and done and a failure? Yeah. But it won't bring down Marvel Studios either.

It might just be my personal feelings then since I don't feel as much enthusiasm when projects fail.

I remember not caring to see Suicide Squad after Batman V Superman failed. WB literally needed to knock it out of the park with Wonder Woman to make me care again.

 

[TheVileOne]

I can totally understand that, but that was also the same film studio, just a few short months later, the DC/WB film brain trust and all that. Both were big film releases the new DCEU franchise.

Like if a Marvel movie were to fail, that could hurt momentum for the next one if you think about it. But the Netflix shows have a smaller, more adult audience, while the MCU caters more broadly to families and kids.

Even though Iron Fist and Inhumans are both technically MCU, there's still quite a bit of separation between Marvel film and TV. I doubt anyone here will stay away from Black Panther because of Inhumans pooping the bed.

I think it just means that Marvel TV needs some introspection and shuffling of the deck and acknowledging, "hey, we messed up here. How can we fix it to avoid it in the future?" Not saying that's what will happen, but one would hope.

 

[Dasher10]

I can totally understand that, but that was also the same film studio, just a few short months later, the DC/WB film brain trust and all that. Both were big film releases the new DCEU franchise.

Like if a Marvel movie were to fail, that could hurt momentum for the next one if you think about it. But the Netflix shows have a smaller, more adult audience, while the MCU caters more broadly to families and kids.

Even though Iron Fist and Inhumans are both technically MCU, there's still quite a bit of separation between Marvel film and TV. I doubt anyone here will stay away from Black Panther because of Inhumans pooping the bed.

I think it just means that Marvel TV needs some introspection and shuffling of the deck and acknowledging, "hey, we messed up here. How can we fix it to avoid it in the future?" Not saying that's what will happen, but one would hope.

I don't think they will. Marvel already made money on this travesty.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/marvel-inhumans-1202547854/

"Thanks to the investment from IMAX, Disney divisions Marvel and ABC consider the show effectively paid for, regardless of its performance on broadcast, where it will air on Friday nights."

Season 2 is likely since the show already made bank.

When Josh Trank ruined Fant4stic (and a house), Simon Kinberg made sure to keep Disney or Sony from ever hiring him and personally got him kicked off a Star Wars film. He literally ruined a nine-figure budget for a summer tentpole film. Fox cleaned house and they're smartly rebooting the Fantastic Four without an origin story by doing Doctor Doom and Future Foundation first.

WB managed to fire Charles Roven after he manged to drag DC's films into the ground. Wonder Woman was an improvement over BVS and Suicide Squad as a result. Geoff Johns replaced him and now manages to greenlight far too many films without any release dates to place them in and with little room for sequels but he isn't making terrible films

Disney on the other hand, are now in the same position. Marvel TV has a toxic asset. They need to lose Buck. Period. If there is a Season 2, then I can only see it happening without Scott Buck involved. The films are fine. My only real problem was Thor 2 but it sounds like Ragnarok is, "less Earth, more fantasy and sci fi elements and more humor" which is literally what I wanted them to do if there were a third film. The TV division need to step up their game since two poorly-received new series in a year doesn't make them look good. Buck is gone from Iron Fist and hopefully he won't touch Inhumans again.

 

[TheVileOne]

Right, so it wasn't a huge money loser. IMAX takes the biggest hit on this really, if they did indeed spend close to $80 million on it. So ABC didn't spend $80 million on this show. IMAX footed most of the bill.

 

[Dasher10]

Right, so it wasn't a huge money loser. IMAX takes the biggest hit on this really, if they did indeed spend close to $80 million on it. So ABC didn't spend $80 million on this show. IMAX footed most of the bill.

And they managed to only get a handful of people to watch it. It was a huge loss for them. IMAX may have a poor relationship with Marvel going forward.

Keep in mind that Scott Buck's rushed production style with few takes manages to make Rosario Dawson of all people look bad. I could see this show being panned almost as soon as it was announced.

 

[Darkraid]

I do really hope for a season 2. I actually do really like the cast, sans Medusa.

If they fire buck and get a good showrunner who actually know comics and not trying to cheapen everything, Inhumans could really be a good show.

Sadly with buck around, the Inhumans will not be what it should be.

I really hope Iron fist gets a new showrunner too. Defenders effectively tried to fix some of the flaws and set danny on a good direction for s2.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Okay, the total cost was $80 million for a first season from both companies. That's more than enough money to make a good-looking Inhumans series.

While I agree that 80 million should have been more, do we have a source for that? I remember someone pointing out ages ago when I saw the 80 million number that the number was talking about economic impact it's bringing Hawaii and not necessarily the budget. Do we have more concrete numbers from a reliable source?

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I don't think that number has actually been confirmed anywhere after the original report (and as you said, they didn't mention the budget directly). I just refuse to believe they had that kind of money and turned out this.

 

[KevTravels]

http://www.comicsbeat.com/inhumans-what-is-going-on-with-medusas-bra/

ABC voiced concerns that Marvel was cheaping out. This had nothing to do with it being an ABC show. It was entirely Marvel's fault.

ABC gave Marvel an $80 million budget which is twice what Daredevil and Luke Cage both got for their first seasons and it wound up looking cheaper than either. It's because Scott Buck can't properly allocate funds.

that is a total shame. they had the funds to make this as realistic as possible for tv (standards).

 

[chamber-music]

The Punisher, Runaways and C&D are getting good buzz from insiders.

Yep. Punisher and Runaways looks good.

Cloak & Dagger is a bit of a passion project for Jeph Loeb. Loeb has been trying to get it made for years and he said the show could run for 10 seasons.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't think that number has actually been confirmed anywhere after the original report (and as you said, they didn't mention the budget directly). I just refuse to believe they had that kind of money and turned out this.

That's my thought as well. If they had ten million per episode and the opportunity to frontload it a bit for IMAX, I can't possibly fathom it looking this much of a TV budget. It looks like a solid TV budget, so I would guess three or four million, but I can't see ten to twelve, which is what an eighty million budget would entail.

 

[KevTravels]

That's my thought as well. If they had ten million per episode and the opportunity to frontload it a bit for IMAX, I can't possibly fathom it looking this much of a TV budget. It looks like a solid TV budget, so I would guess three or four million, but I can't see ten to twelve, which is what an eighty million budget would entail.

I would concur

 

[Flint Marko]

They spent..... they spent $80 million on this nightmare?

Where the **** did that money go? It sure as hell didn't wind up on screen.

 

[psylockolussus]

I honestly hope this is a 1 season and done then gets rebooted in the next five to ten years.