Inhumans ABC's The Inhumans - General Discussion (news, updates, speculation...) - Part 2

[Mike Murdock]

They spent..... they spent $80 million on this nightmare?

Where the **** did that money go? It sure as hell didn't wind up on screen.

We don't know if they did. The only report is that filming in Hawaii should boost the economy by 80 million. That would include everything from money spent by the studio to money spent by the production people in renting homes/apartments or buying food on their off days. Unless someone has a better source because that's the only source I remember.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

I don't think they will. Marvel already made money on this travesty.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/marvel-inhumans-1202547854/

"Thanks to the investment from IMAX, Disney divisions Marvel and ABC consider the show effectively paid for, regardless of its performance on broadcast, where it will air on Friday nights."

Season 2 is likely since the show already made bank.

When Josh Trank ruined Fant4stic (and a house), Simon Kinberg made sure to keep Disney or Sony from ever hiring him and personally got him kicked off a Star Wars film. He literally ruined a nine-figure budget for a summer tentpole film. Fox cleaned house and they're smartly rebooting the Fantastic Four without an origin story by doing Doctor Doom and Future Foundation first.

WB managed to fire Charles Roven after he manged to drag DC's films into the ground. Wonder Woman was an improvement over BVS and Suicide Squad as a result. Geoff Johns replaced him and now manages to greenlight far too many films without any release dates to place them in and with little room for sequels but he isn't making terrible films

Disney on the other hand, are now in the same position. Marvel TV has a toxic asset. They need to lose Buck. Period. If there is a Season 2, then I can only see it happening without Scott Buck involved. The films are fine. My only real problem was Thor 2 but it sounds like Ragnarok is, "less Earth, more fantasy and sci fi elements and more humor" which is literally what I wanted them to do if there were a third film. The TV division need to step up their game since two poorly-received new series in a year doesn't make them look good. Buck is gone from Iron Fist and hopefully he won't touch Inhumans again.

buck isn't the toxic asset, it's ike

like a bad owner in sports, it all trickles down eventually and buck is just a symptom

marvel tv had to have known what they had going with iron fist, but kept buck, that is a management issue

half the netflix stuff isn't up to usual snuff although punisher seems to be getting the cart back on the path

 

[TheVileOne]

Once again, if the $80 million is legit most of it was probably spent on making sure it'd get done for a September 1 IMAX release since the show got rushed into production and had to come together very quickly. Plus all the location shooting in Hawaii.

 

[zenith16]

this is from the space channel (the caqnadian equalant of the syfy channel, but it's own thing.) inthe show called inner space where they inte everything scif- or fantasy ( the magic & super natural/ horor parts) and they some times look into comics anhd video games too.

here' s what he show of SDCC this year ande the actor's playing the king & queen of the inhuman had to say about the comic's and the roles they are playing.



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InnerSpace: San Diego Comic Con - Inhumans

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Teddy willson chats with the cast of Inhumans at San Diego Comic Con!




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[Mike Murdock]

buck isn't the toxic asset, it's ike

like a bad owner in sports, it all trickles down eventually and buck is just a symptom

marvel tv had to have known what they had going with iron fist, but kept buck, that is a management issue

half the netflix stuff isn't up to usual snuff although punisher seems to be getting the cart back on the path

That's just the thing, if the person at the top gets all the blame for the bad things, does he get credit for all the good things? Is season one of Daredevil thanks to Ike Perlmutter? I would have credited Drew Goddard and Steven DeKnight for that. By the always accurate standard of internet rumors, Ike Perlmutter wanted an Inhumans production (I guess the implication is no one else could have wanted it as well, but I digress). But that doesn't mean he had anything else to do with its implementation.

The fact that this seemed heavily rushed and that a showrunner who seems to be able to work quickly was hired feel like the bigger blame. And, while I do think Marvel TV is responsible for that significantly, I'm also not excusing IMAX. They wanted something for this release date when they probably should have planned ahead further or approached Marvel earlier.

 

[Iceman]

buck isn't the toxic asset, it's ike

like a bad owner in sports, it all trickles down eventually and buck is just a symptom

marvel tv had to have known what they had going with iron fist, but kept buck, that is a management issue

half the netflix stuff isn't up to usual snuff although punisher seems to be getting the cart back on the path

That's all true, but doesn't mean Buck isn't a toxic asset too. Most of us gave up on Inhumans the minute Buck got the job (which wouldn't be the case if they'd given the project to even a slightly below average guy) and are unfortunately being proven right.

 

[Flint Marko]

Things were going great with Marvel TV (one could argue better than even their wildly successful studio division) until Scott Buck came along. So.... yeah, Ike is clearly at fault for a lot of what has gone wrong here but they managed to keep everything running smoothly until Buck and his ineptitude brought them down to earth. Get him out of there and I think things will look up. Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, and the Punisher all getting good early buzz is proof positive of this.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

i mean, i'm not trying to defend buck, he's simply not good, but he seems like a yes-man/fall guy for ike, who has been desperate to get his inhumans pet project off the ground for almost a decade

some guy over at reddit did a mini-breakdown of it and it kinda makes sense to me

https://www.reddit.com/r/television..._the_story_of_scott_buck_marvel_and_imax_aka/

key points:

Iron Fist was delayed and swapped spots with Luke Cage (i forgot about this)
December 2015- Scott Buck announced as Iron Fist showrunner
April 2016- Iron Fist filming Begins
October 2016- Iron Fist Filming Wraps
November 2016- Inhumans announced, Scott Buck as showrunner
March 2017- Iron Fist debuts
March 2017- Inhumans begins filming
Now - Inhumans debuts

i don't think any showrunner could've done that kind of turnaround and not been delayed but buck somehow managed to do it. which is why everything else seems so cheap and 90s saturday scifi.

i think most of marvel tv's success is in spite of ike. loeb has the unenviable task of being the guy between management and talent but he still got talent like deknight, goddard, rosenberg, etc but it's possible that cage suffered a little too (i think parts were a little rushed myself) since cheo mentioned the schedule shift

 

[psylockolussus]

Agent Carter had a terrible sophomore season while Aos only got better through time and it is still not a critical smash and its obvious that the other Marvel Netflix shows are restricted in terms of action and spectacle. They don't look expensive at all while the other Netflix shows that aren't Marvel look big budgeted. There's also that canceled ABC pilot.

It isn't just Scott bucks, but Marvel TV itself and treating its properties like second class citizens.

 

[Dasher10]

I remember when Daredevil and Luke Cage hit and virtually everybody praised the Daredevil fight scenes and special effects on Luke Cage.

Jessica Jones does look cheap but that's because the show doesn't require a huge budget. Iron Fist looked cheap since filming was rushed and Marvel blew much of the budget on Daredevil and Cage.

 

[psylockolussus]

The production values are just poor IMO. They looked like Machinima productions, when ABC Studios, Marvel and Netflix are supposed to be these big companies joining forces. The yellow color grading, the costumes, there are a lot of places in New York where they could film nicely. So eh.

I can't wait for Daredevil, Iron Fist and the Inhumans get a movie budget treatment sometime in the future.

 

[OB12]

That's just the thing, if the person at the top gets all the blame for the bad things, does he get credit for all the good things? Is season one of Daredevil thanks to Ike Perlmutter? I would have credited Drew Goddard and Steven DeKnight for that. By the always accurate standard of internet rumors, Ike Perlmutter wanted an Inhumans production (I guess the implication is no one else could have wanted it as well, but I digress). But that doesn't mean he had anything else to do with its implementation.

The fact that this seemed heavily rushed and that a showrunner who seems to be able to work quickly was hired feel like the bigger blame. And, while I do think Marvel TV is responsible for that significantly, I'm also not excusing IMAX. They wanted something for this release date when they probably should have planned ahead further or approached Marvel earlier.

Yeah, the rush job would probably mostly to blame. The deadline that needed to be met was the driver for the showrunner choice and then everything else flows from that. I wish they would've pushed back a little on IMAX and maybe offered Inhumans for 2018. In the meantime they could've tried to do something like a Nick Fury miniseries for IMAX, which probably would have been cheaper to produce and more of a sure thing.

 

[KevTravels]

I remember when Daredevil and Luke Cage hit and virtually everybody praised the Daredevil fight scenes and special effects on Luke Cage.

Jessica Jones does look cheap but that's because the show doesn't require a huge budget. Iron Fist looked cheap since filming was rushed and Marvel blew much of the budget on Daredevil and Cage.

they should have realized that they'd need an even bigger budget to portray IF in the best fashion possible.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, the rush job would probably mostly to blame. The deadline that needed to be met was the driver for the showrunner choice and then everything else flows from that. I wish they would've pushed back a little on IMAX and maybe offered Inhumans for 2018. In the meantime they could've tried to do something like a Nick Fury miniseries for IMAX, which probably would have been cheaper to produce and more of a sure thing.

If they could get Samuel L. Jackson for an eight episode TV series, that would have been spectacular. He loves B movies too so that might have worked.

I could see the movie side of things pushing back on that, though, because he's a character they like to use in movies. The height of collaboration between the two groups was Agent Carter season one (which is noteworthy for being very good too, fwiw). We don't exactly know how much input the movie side had aside from Feige suggesting the post-credits thing from the final episode, but if Agent Carter required at least input from the movie side, I suspect a Nick Fury TV show would get outright vetoed since Feige has said several times that he doesn't want to do TV shows and is less likely to delegate a core movie character to Jeph Loeb.

 

[TheVileOne]

i mean, i'm not trying to defend buck, he's simply not good, but he seems like a yes-man/fall guy for ike, who has been desperate to get his inhumans pet project off the ground for almost a decade

some guy over at reddit did a mini-breakdown of it and it kinda makes sense to me

https://www.reddit.com/r/television..._the_story_of_scott_buck_marvel_and_imax_aka/

key points:

Iron Fist was delayed and swapped spots with Luke Cage (i forgot about this)
December 2015- Scott Buck announced as Iron Fist showrunner
April 2016- Iron Fist filming Begins
October 2016- Iron Fist Filming Wraps
November 2016- Inhumans announced, Scott Buck as showrunner
March 2017- Iron Fist debuts
March 2017- Inhumans begins filming
Now - Inhumans debuts

i don't think any showrunner could've done that kind of turnaround and not been delayed but buck somehow managed to do it. which is why everything else seems so cheap and 90s saturday scifi.

i think most of marvel tv's success is in spite of ike. loeb has the unenviable task of being the guy between management and talent but he still got talent like deknight, goddard, rosenberg, etc but it's possible that cage suffered a little too (i think parts were a little rushed myself) since cheo mentioned the schedule shift

I would say Scott Buck not being the only one to blame is right. They definitely rushed this out when they probably needed another six-to-12 months at least.

Scott Buck didn't do a good job on either show. However, he probably got both shows because he was cheap and available. In other words, corners were cut all around here.

At the same time, some of that information seems like speculation or extrapolation.

What angers me the most is that a show mixing magic martial arts and vigilante street justice done the Marvel way sounds awesome.

 

[KevTravels]

so when this becomes publicly a huge flop/underwhelms, what effect does it have on the MCU tv universe going forward?

is Agents of Shield suppose to end after the 5th season?

 

[Mike Murdock]

It won't effect anything beyond this show except perhaps joint partnerships with IMAX.

Agents of SHIELD was renewed for this season. ABC makes renewal decisions on a season by season basis. They did not announce it as a final season at all.

 

[2kt09]

Did they decide to cut the budget short on s5, so that this series could get funded?

 

[TheVileOne]

There's no evidence of that at all. Also, not like Agents of SHIELD ever had massive budgets to begin with. The turnaround for each episode is pretty quick too.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Did they decide to cut the budget short on s5, so that this series could get funded?

Don't think so, no. Certainly there hasn't been any report of that, nor any speculation of that beyond your post that I've seen.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't think AoS will get renewed again, but that isn't Inhumans fault. If anything, Inhumans will make AoS look good.

 

[psylockolussus]

It won't effect anything beyond this show except perhaps joint partnerships with IMAX.

Agents of SHIELD was renewed for this season. ABC makes renewal decisions on a season by season basis. They did not announce it as a final season at all.

But they did with Scandal and The Middle. And both shows are still getting decent ratings.

Imo, alng with Ouat, they should just announce this upcoming season as the final season. The ratings are embarrassing and it would just lead them to cut costs. While announcing the final season could lead to previous watchers returning and it wouldn't end in a cliffhanger only be canceled because of poor Friday night ratings.

 

[psylockolussus]

so when this becomes publicly a huge flop/underwhelms, what effect does it have on the MCU tv universe going forward?

Hopefully they would lower the amount of TV shows that they are producing.

Quality over quantity.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Imo, alng with Ouat, they should just announce this upcoming season as the final season. The ratings are embarrassing and it would just lead them to cut costs. While announcing the final season could lead to previous watchers returning and it wouldn't end in a cliffhanger only be canceled because of poor Friday night ratings.

The show does well with delayed viewing and streaming, which could lead ABC to believe it can recoup its costs after the initial broadcast. I strongly suspect that's why Friday is not a bad idea for them because a lot more people watch this show some other time rather than live.

 

[psylockolussus]

Advertisers really don't give crap on streaming and delayed viewing. I do think the lack of new hits in their drama TV division, is a big factor. It is also much more expensive giving a series order to a pilot than renewing a veteran show. Its 1 more season for syndication purposes.