The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[GL1]

If Robin ever does come in, I wouldn't want his introduction as Dick and as Robin to be in the same film. We should see Dick and his situation, ***** hits the fan, Wayne doesn't even think of letting the kid help, he saves the day on his own but looses something great (maybe Dawes gets killed) because he couldn't be two places at once. We ease Robin into the game. Maybe Wayne NEVER fully lets him.

 

[TimDrakeRobin45]

Yes I know everyone hates the Idea of Robin in the movies, but I clearly don't. Here is what I think he should look like. My preference as to color
would be the green, red and black that Tim Drake wears, just much darker tones. It could also be the new red, black and yellow suit that tim wears that would work as well, maybe better I dont know, but it would have to be DARK.

 

[PlacidTubs]

I love the drawing, from a fan-art perspective, but I still can't imagine Robin working on screen as a convincing character, especially in the Nolan universe.

 

[Micah12345]

I'm hoping they do some stylistic batman movies after nolans run is over. Like some Sin City or 300 type stuff where they can pull off the more fantastical villains like clayface, manbat, croc, freeze, ivy, etc. A stylized joker could be the closest we get to the comic version too.

 

[Micah12345]

I forgot to say that robin could work well in it too. And I'd like to see bane done right.

 

[RobC]

I think that Robin could be done right in the NolanVerse. Everyone always says he can't for some reason, and Nolan himself didn't state that he would never do Robin, he just said that in the BB and TDK timeline that Robin was still a kid.

I'd like to see him again, he brings a lot to the table story-wise.

Also, that drawing is really good, kudos.

 

[GL1]

Nice drawing... but storyline wise it'd be hard to pull off. Having an acrobat kid is one thing, but Bruce making military armor for a kid to wear? Not going to happen... not logically anyway.

Check the Adapting Robin thread for some really good insights on how Robin can be done, and I assure, you, to work in the Nolanverse, he can't be Batman-lite like he is in the comics.

 

[El Payaso]

The drawing is amazing man.

I'm against Robin in the Nolan movies as Nolan is. But the darwing is teh cool.

 

[TimDrakeRobin45]

I think that the Allstar Batman and Robin storyline would be a great way to introduce Robin to the universe. And thanks for all the kind words.

 

[BurtonBegan]

I think that dick grayson will be introduced right at the end of film 3 as nolan parts company with the franchise

 

[JediTalen]

I love the character of Robin. -snip-

Robin (Dick Grayson, that is) is ESSENTIALLY Batman's son. I believe it is important for the character to be young when his parents are killed. Right around the age Bruce was when his parents were murdered. Because it's all about the parallel. Bruce witnesses this child's life being torn from him just like his was, and he immediately connects with it. I like the Dark Victory origin, myself, where Bruce did not take Dick in with the intention of him becoming his partner. Bruce took him in because he sympathized with him.
It's important for the character to be young because he is supposed to see Bruce as his father. And frankly, a 16 year old is NOT going to do that. Neither is an 18 year old. -snip-
And like I said before, Batman shouldn't have been scouting for Robin (ala All-Star Batman and Robin). He never wanted a partner. He did not WANT Dick Grayson to become his squire. But after investigating his parents murders, and realizing he has been neglecting the child while off as Batman, he shares his identity with him. But even then, he doesn't want to train Dick. It is after badgering and Dick going out to avenge his parents that Bruce finally agrees to train Dick.

-snip-Sure he has to look out for Dick, but Dick brings a light into his life that wasn't there before. He brings FAMILY back into Bruce's life. And Bruce remembers what it was like to be happy. That is why Robin is essential to the Batman mythos. He keeps Batman human. -snip-
Now it's hard to pull Robin off in a movie, because even if he's trained by the greatest, people aren't going to buy a 13 year old kid kicking the **** out of a full grown man. -snip-
Keep Robin young. But it's difficult to pull off. It's a Catch 22. I know.

I think you have nailed my position on this perfectly. I however don't feel that it would be too difficult to pull off with some careful writing and proper casting.

I would propose that Leo Howard ( www.leo-howard.com ) be cast as Dick Greyson. Leo is one of Matt Mullins students and a Black Belt. He is a several time National and World Martial arts champion.

Leo is now 10 years old which makes him the right age when they'll start filming in two years.

He certainly has the skills: I also think he has the look for the part. Frankly I don't have a problem visualizing a 12-13 year old Leo kicking the snot out of some goon who he has taken by surprise, no he can't get in a batman-esque slugfest, but if he hits hard and fast....

And this costume, hands down!

 

[The Man of Steel]

I'd say they should use Nightwing rather then Robin

 

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

Love the drawing!
With your design in mind, look closely. The cape, belt and bat symbol can be removed from the new DK batsuit. The top half of the chest plate area and shoulders can be colored a dark blue.

Voila! Nightwing!

 

[summersgod]

I think he should be brought in as a villain and evetually becomes Batman's ally and then goes off Europe or somethign to catch the person who murdered his family

 

[NikkiSixx]

I love the drawing, from a fan-art perspective, but I still can't imagine Robin working on screen as a convincing character, especially in the Nolan universe.

I second that!!

the drawing is totally kick a$s!!! robin in the movies however is not, i'm not saying its impossible just that if robin appears in the movie and it doesn't end up sucking i will be very very suprised, but as we all know nolan is full of suprises

 

[Compi716]

I'd say they should use Nightwing rather then Robin

I disagree. Robin must be used first. I will state what I said before, and what many other forum members have already said: go the DARK VICTORY route. It's the best way to introduce Dick Grayson as well as Robin into the Nolan film mythos.

 

[cryptic name]

I think that the Allstar Batman and Robin storyline would be a great way to introduce Robin to the universe. And thanks for all the kind words.

i'd pay good money to hear Bale deliver some of Batman's lines Allstar

 

[Micius]

I don't think the Robin mask could work in the Nolaverse. You can tell a person's identity too easy with it.

 

[Hyden]

I'm hoping they do some stylistic batman movies after nolans run is over. Like some Sin City or 300 type stuff where they can pull off the more fantastical villains like clayface, manbat, croc, freeze, ivy, etc. A stylized joker could be the closest we get to the comic version too.

I've been thinking much the same of late, While (and this might be blasphemous, escpecially at this point)
from what I've seen so far, I feel that Nolan's vision may very well be the watermark interpretation of the themes, characters and philisophical dillemas as far as the big screen goes. I don't think we'll get a truer or more insightful distillation of the essence of these characters and concerns. Nolan's gotham is pitch perfect, and, if I may be so bold, I find his Joker (with what little we've seen of him) to be both the most horrifying and the smartest depiction I have seen in ANY medium.
That said, his vision only leaves room for somany characters and elements of Batman to breathe. The eccentricities of the comic medium only go so far in the BB world. I definately think there's a whole lot of room for tons of directors and writers to take on the dark knight in whatever direction they want so that they can explore the characters in a new way or embrace their comic book origans... of course, if it's going to be an ironic depiction of Batman, can we at least look towards Dark Knight Returns instead of Shumachers vision.

 

[Minus Shock]

Wow, it's been such a long time since Ive posted on here. Hello everybody!

First I want to start off by saying, That Im not as familiar with Batman as I am other characters, I grew up in a very Marvel household. However I have read some pretty great trades, such as TLH, Hush (parts 1 and 2), Face the Face, The Killing Joke, and so far the begining to Knightfall. Anyway, here's how I see everything.

First.. I throw out the prior four movies from the 80's and 90's, they can hold some entertaining factors, but they shouldn't be referred to when thinking of the new 'verse.

Everything Nolan does for his Batman universe is grounded deeply in reality, as grounded as you can dealing with a guy who flies around as a Bat, which to me is the most intriguing kind of adaptation. I think comics work well because they are an entire escape from reality, hence the total and complete lack of realism. I think movies require realism to be taken seriously, and I think a lot of people want to take hero movies seriously... anyway, enough theorizing.

When it happens, I dont think it matters. I will tell you this much, I really hope that Nolan would consider doing more than three, as I really hope Bale, Oldman, Freeman, Caine, and even Ledger would consider returning for any sequels, but that is wishful thinking.

I think its important to stick with the Dick Grayson character, Parents were killed by Zucco, he was an acrobat etc. I think it speaks to Bruce, and I think no matter what way you cut it, thats an important part of that character.

Here's where I'd go with it though. Little bit different, but I think it really works better in the "realistic" realm of things.

So Dick's parent's were killed, he feels responsible, very similar to what we have seen before... lets go further with the parallelism, he tries to take revenge on the guy who did it not too long after it. I think you should have Bruce asking what happened to the kid very casually, and it turns out he's no where to be found, wasn't seen since the night his family was murdered. Yeah he's a young teen, lets say 13 years old at this point, but still, what 13 year old wouldn't kinda flip and run when something like that happened?

I think after the murders happened, maybe have Batman tracking down a lead, but when he gets there, the guys are already taken care of, mysteriously, so now there's another vigilante.... Maybe not exactly this as the case, but something similar to show that Grayson is practicing to take down Zucco on his own.

So knowledge to where the kid might be... its time for Alfred to offer some of his wisdom by reminding Bruce of what his instincts were if he was able to track down Joe Chill, and that sends Bruce, as Batman to track down and keep a track of Zucco in hopes that if he finds Zucco, he'll find Grayson. (note this next is little fuzzy how it'd play out, but regardless something along these lines.) So then we see Grayson try and take on Zucco, only to fail miserably, I mean it is a 13 year old goin up against a mob boss... And I think Zucco should kinda wail on him, not to the point where it looses the PG-13, but enough, then Batman swoops in, takes out Zucco like that, and what is to happen to him (Zucco) not sure, And then Grayson wakes up with bandages and such in the batcave.

Now here is where in comic world Bruce gives Dick the opportunity to become his partner, But I think Bruce should be more reluctant, hopes for a better life, not one like his, being two different people. But overall he decides to care for him and train him.

Now one thing that I absolutely would change, Is Bruce Wayne adopting Dick as the ward, I mean how obvious is it when the Billion-are adopts a young lad, and then Batman has a partner? IF there is some way to make it less obvious, or cover it up, I say it be done that way. Anyway, That is how I would have it done... And yes I would have Dick become Nightwing, and appear occasionally in the films, and at no point should Dick become a huge character, he should be equal to Gordon, or Fox in the respect that hes helping Batman to rid Gotham of the evil that lives in it.

Costume Wise, I think something similar to Kingdom Come, or at least mask wise is so much better than a hood, or eye mask thing. Something that wraps his entire head cept for the mouth, similar to the Batman Cowl, only no ears, and it is much more flexible. I think giving an acrobat a cape is genius! Especially with the material used for the capes in this 'verse, wow thatd be fun! Armor should be similar to batman's, in fact the only noticeable difference should be the color, which should be a darker flat red, the cape should be just black, and the symbol should be on the chest plate.

Overall, I think Robin is essential to any great Batman story. The term dynamic duo is over-used, but appropriate.

Here's how I see the movies... IF Bond, which I love, Can have numerous movies, 22 and counting, then why cant any comic book? I mean don't they spend a pretty penny on the bond flicks as they do with Batman? I mean yes.. eventually actors will part ways, but why just three? There are 70 years of comics, and we limit all that to three two and a half hour flicks? Why? Yes Actors change, because they age, or want to move on, and yes it's unfortunate if a studio has no more respect for its property than to ruin it and not wait if that is in fact the best thing to do... but hey... 8 years went by in between Batman and Robin, and Batman begins, and alot was changed right? Insanely better everything, director, actors, writing... so isnt it conceivable that perhaps a few years after Nolan and Co. are done that maybe someone else can come along and pick up where he left off?

 

[wellsy]

Great post Minus. You've obviously put a lot of thought into this, and it certainly could work.

Your proposals for his costume are similar to many others previously posted. Personally, I'm not keen on the full-face mask, but that's just me.

Anyways, very good job.

 

[Killing Joke926]

I'd say they should use Nightwing rather then Robin

That or Jason Todd as the first Robin.

 

[SouLeSS]

Yeah right.

 

[Killing Joke926]

^Or............Jason Todd could be the first Nightwing?

 

[Crook]

Here's where I'd go with it though. Little bit different, but I think it really works better in the "realistic" realm of things.

So Dick's parent's were killed, he feels responsible, very similar to what we have seen before... lets go further with the parallelism, he tries to take revenge on the guy who did it not too long after it. I think you should have Bruce asking what happened to the kid very casually, and it turns out he's no where to be found, wasn't seen since the night his family was murdered. Yeah he's a young teen, lets say 13 years old at this point, but still, what 13 year old wouldn't kinda flip and run when something like that happened?

I think after the murders happened, maybe have Batman tracking down a lead, but when he gets there, the guys are already taken care of, mysteriously, so now there's another vigilante.... Maybe not exactly this as the case, but something similar to show that Grayson is practicing to take down Zucco on his own.

So knowledge to where the kid might be... its time for Alfred to offer some of his wisdom by reminding Bruce of what his instincts were if he was able to track down Joe Chill, and that sends Bruce, as Batman to track down and keep a track of Zucco in hopes that if he finds Zucco, he'll find Grayson. (note this next is little fuzzy how it'd play out, but regardless something along these lines.) So then we see Grayson try and take on Zucco, only to fail miserably, I mean it is a 13 year old goin up against a mob boss... And I think Zucco should kinda wail on him, not to the point where it looses the PG-13, but enough, then Batman swoops in, takes out Zucco like that, and what is to happen to him (Zucco) not sure, And then Grayson wakes up with bandages and such in the batcave.

F'n awesome, man. Incidentally I was thinking about how to introduce Dick (not in this series though) yesterday, and that's pretty much how I'd imagine it.

I think it's definitely important that Dick set the initiative to play superhero. It was always far-fetched for Bruce to start bringing him out into the field at such a young age. But if it's Dick that does it himself, and turns out to be damn good at it, well I could see why Bruce would then start training him.

Now here is where in comic world Bruce gives Dick the opportunity to become his partner, But I think Bruce should be more reluctant, hopes for a better life, not one like his, being two different people. But overall he decides to care for him and train him.

Now one thing that I absolutely would change, Is Bruce Wayne adopting Dick as the ward, I mean how obvious is it when the Billion-are adopts a young lad, and then Batman has a partner? IF there is some way to make it less obvious, or cover it up, I say it be done that way.

Being adopted by Leslie Thompson is my first choice. Keeps Bruce on an observant side with Dick, and it's not as obvious that these two are connected on any public level.

Costume Wise, I think something similar to Kingdom Come, or at least mask wise is so much better than a hood, or eye mask thing. Something that wraps his entire head cept for the mouth, similar to the Batman Cowl, only no ears, and it is much more flexible.

This is pretty much the only part I wouldn't agree on. Same as how you kept the classic origin story with some minor changes, it should apply here as well.

The domino mask should most definitely be kept. With an addition of a hood that attaches to the cape, that he occasionally puts on. I always imagined him as being a silent, and to-the-shadows sidekick when he's out fighting. So that it's not as obvious he's a little kid.