The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[Matt.S99]

well...at least he's in the new frontier animated dtv. that's probably the closest thing we're gonna get of robin being in a movie.

he is????

 

[GL1]

Logan Lerman is great... he did a kick-tail job in Butterfly Effect...

That said, making TOO many changes to the core story is just as bad as making NO changes. Robin doesn't get saved by Bruce, he gets saved by pure luck, just like Bruce was. Robin doesn't have badass red and black armor with his own vigilante career... he's Batman's gopher (Go fer this, go for that...)

I think you have to have a nine year old actor and you have to have the 17 year old actor to do Dick Grayson's origin justice within a single movie. Having Dick start training at 17 makes him being a comptent crime fighter impossible... but obviously having a 12 year old knocking heads is rediculous... so you have to split the movie with a growing up/training montage.

 

[DA Dent]

based on The Dark Knight costume.

Incredible, if he's in, I hope it's something just like this.

The multicolored green-yellow-red suit won't fit at all in Nolan's atmosphere.

Have this Robin be more focused on speed and agility.

 

[project13]

Here's my version of Robin:

Name- Dick Grayson, the original, the one and only.

Age- Somewhere between ages 14 and 17

Origin- Same as the comics,but here's the twist: Bruce didn't attend the circus, thus Dick feels alone and joins a street gang. He meets Bruce, who comes to his defense when Dick is on the run from a rival gang. He lets Dick stay for the night at Wayne Manor. Just when Bruce is asleep, Dick discovers the Batcave by removing a bat from a grandfather clock. The next morning, Bruce takes him out of an juvenile services system when he finds out that it's abusive. Feeling neglected by Bruce, Dick sneaks out of the manor late at night to exact revenge on Tony Zucco. He takes down his men by using his acrobatic skills and streetfighting skills. Batman stops Dick from killing Zucco, telling him "you'll be back to square one". Dick said he wanted to make up for his actions, Bruce felt sympathic and offers him to be his "son", but not before revealing his identity to Dick.

EPILOGUE-

Dick is sitting at a chair at Wayne Manor;looking at a window

DICK(V.O.)

Come on, there's gotta be some inspiration.​

Bruce walks into the room​

BRUCE
Why are you looking at the window, Dick?​

DICK
Trying to find some bats. You can't be Batboy without some inspiration.​

BRUCE (laughs)
I doubt you'll find more bats out there than in the cave​

DICK
So, no "Batboy"? Then, what will I be?​

Just as he says this, a little red robin flew past the window​

BRUCE
How about being a "robin"?​

DICK
I don't know. That name would encourge bullies to beat me up.​

BRUCE
But, being a robin won't so bad, you'll get your own set of wings.​

DICK
Ok, fine. Besides I will be like Robin Hood, but I don't have to wear a dumb red hood.​

BRUCE
Okay, Dick. You'll be Robin. Good night son.​

DICK
Good night, dad.​

Costume- Basically this costume, but without the cape:​

Instead of an eyemask, Dick would wear hi-tech sunglasses (like the Green Arrow in Smallville.)

But the coolest thing about Robin suit is that [BLACKOUT]it would function like Terry's Batsuit in Batman Beyond, only it would be less hi-techhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_McGinnis#Abilities and equipment[/BLACKOUT].

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[wellsy]

The dialogue... doesn't sound good.

The rest -

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Robin should be black and look like a young Eddy Murphy.

 

[CaptainClown]

A lil off topic, what game is this?

city of heroes I know ancient time to answer that

 

[Nepenthes]

Robin should be black and look like a young Eddy Murphy.

Have this Robin be more focused on speed and agility.

I never really picture Robin as a kid.

he'd need a film about him. A "Robin Begins". It'd be a Batman Begins sequel, but unlike Batman Forever, it'd be more about Robin than it would be the villains.

overall this is one of my favorite superhero designs of anyone.

I say if you are not gonna stay true to the character then don't bother at all. I hate hate hate these "interpretations". Robin should be Dick Grayson complete with the circus origin and red/yellow/green union suit.

agreed to all especially on the last two points. I used to think Robins suit would need a massive overhaul....but I've since become a firm believer in the classic threads. the trick is executing it right. there are SO MANY ways you could flesh it out and still have it true the basic design. red, green and yellow, small mask, no helmet.

and i really think they should emphasise the medievil aspect. make him look a valiant prince, a knight's squire, the peoples chamption. etc. the suit should look detailed, exotic and impressive. lots of design flourishes.



i'd also take a cue from Frank Miller, but take it even further. Bruce Wayne actually funds and oversees the training of a number of circus performers. he sources the best teachers from around the world and partners them with dedicated young athletes as part of a scholarship type prgram thru Waynecorp. he's grooming a pool of future talent with a sidekick in mind, he has a shortlist but he's yet to decide on who it will be. this is pure batman, obsessed and prepared to the highest degree. except when the graysons die he's forced to intervene in Dick's life earlier then he ever expected or wanted to. the circumstances are tragic but they also create the "complete package" in a sense and Bruce knows that Dick HAS to the one who becomes his partner. there's no messing about either, none of this "I cant have a partner" crap. It's straight into it and Bruce is the most bastard mentor you've ever seen

 

[CaptainClown]

I think something needs to be doen about robins hair. It needs to be hidden or something

 

[Nepenthes]

^ no way, it's vital to the look. Robin needs to exist in his own level of fantasy, it can't be Nolans batman. I'm huge fan of the 'realistic' take but for Robin it would need to be relaxed just a touch. it seems petty but I just hate it if we did get a robin but he was somehow tarnshed or incomplete because of a need to make him gritty and 'cool'

Robin should be black and look like a young Eddy Murphy.

Have this Robin be more focused on speed and agility.

I never really picture Robin as a kid.

he'd need a film about him. A "Robin Begins". It'd be a Batman Begins sequel, but unlike Batman Forever, it'd be more about Robin than it would be the villains.

overall this is one of my favorite superhero designs of anyone.

I say if you are not gonna stay true to the character then don't bother at all. I hate hate hate these "interpretations". Robin should be Dick Grayson complete with the circus origin and red/yellow/green union suit.

agreed to all especially on the last two points. I used to think Robins suit would need a massive overhaul....but I've since become a firm believer in the classic threads. the trick is executing it right. there are SO MANY ways you could flesh it out and still have it true the basic design. red, green and yellow, small mask, no helmet.

and i really think they should emphasise the medievil aspect. make him look a valiant prince, a knight's squire, the peoples chamption. etc. the suit should look detailed, exotic and impressive. lots of design flourishes.



i'd also take a cue from Frank Miller, but take it even further. Bruce Wayne actually funds and oversees the training of a number of circus performers. he sources the best teachers from around the world and partners them with dedicated young athletes as part of a scholarship type prgram thru Waynecorp. he's grooming a pool of future talent with a sidekick in mind, he has a shortlist but he's yet to decide on who it will be. this is pure batman, obsessed and prepared to the highest degree. except when the graysons die he's forced to intervene in Dick's life earlier then he ever expected or wanted to. the circumstances are tragic but they also create the "complete package" in a sense and Bruce knows that Dick HAS to the one who becomes his partner. there's no messing about either, none of this "I cant have a partner" crap. It's straight into it and Bruce is the most bastard mentor you've ever seen


- bumpred because I don;t feel like chilling at the bottom of a page.

 

[elgato]

A 16 year old teenage, who losts his parents by being killed by the mob, he works at Tony Zucco's circus, a great athlete he's inspired by Batman, but starts as a THIEF with a black suit (like batman's) with the alias Robin then he helps batman get the mean guys (he's never adopted by bruce)

 

[SouLeSS]

Terrible.

 

[project13]

Here's my version of Robin:

Name- Dick Grayson, the original, the one and only.

Age- Somewhere between ages 14 and 17

Origin- Same as the comics,but here's the twist: Bruce didn't attend the circus, thus Dick feels alone and joins a street gang. He meets Bruce, who comes to his defense when Dick is on the run from a rival gang. He lets Dick stay for the night at Wayne Manor. Just when Bruce is asleep, Dick discovers the Batcave by removing a bat from a grandfather clock. The next morning, Bruce takes him out of an juvenile services system when he finds out that it's abusive. Feeling neglected by Bruce, Dick sneaks out of the manor late at night to exact revenge on Tony Zucco. He takes down his men by using his acrobatic skills and streetfighting skills. Batman stops Dick from killing Zucco, telling him "you'll be back to square one". Dick said he wanted to make up for his actions, Bruce felt sympathic and offers him to be his "son", but not before revealing his identity to Dick.

EPILOGUE-

Dick is sitting at a chair at Wayne Manor;looking at a window

DICK(V.O.)

Come on, there's gotta be some inspiration.​

Bruce walks into the room​

BRUCE
Why are you looking at the window, Dick?​

DICK
Trying to find some bats. You can't be Batboy without some inspiration.​

BRUCE (laughs)
I doubt you'll find more bats out there than in the cave​

DICK
So, no "Batboy"? Then, what will I be?​

Just as he says this, a little red robin flew past the window​

BRUCE
How about being a "robin"?​

DICK
I don't know. That name would encourge bullies to beat me up.​

BRUCE
But, being a robin won't so bad, you'll get your own set of wings.​

DICK
Ok, fine. Besides I will be like Robin Hood, but I don't have to wear a dumb red hood.​

BRUCE
Okay, Dick. You'll be Robin. Good night son.​

DICK
Good night, dad.​

Costume- Basically this costume, but without the cape:​

Instead of an eyemask, Dick would wear hi-tech sunglasses (like the Green Arrow in Smallville.)​

But the coolest thing about Robin suit is that [blackout]it would function like Terry's Batsuit in Batman Beyond, only it would be less hi-techhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_McGinnis#Abilities and equipment[/blackout].​

So, what do you guys think? You don't think this is a ripoff of Terry McGinnis, do you?

 

[Killing Joke926]

based on The Dark Knight costume.

This is some pretty awsome work.t: The only things I'd change would for him to not have a yellow cape, have darker red suit with more black, and adopt a cowl. Otherwise, great.

 

[ron bond 007]

I hope Robin appears in a future Batman movie. Hopefully in a third or a fourth Batman film perhaps starting a new trilogy of Batfilms. But I want Robin to have a cape maybe not the yellow cape he always had but the black on one side and yellow on the other as worn by Tim Drake. Also I really like Robin(Tim Drake's)all red Robin costume. I think it would be perfect for a future Batman movie sequel post-TDK.

Batman needs Robin. Robin provides a light in Batman's grim world. What always fascinated me about Batman and Robin was their colorful costumes. Batman with his midnight blue cape and cowl,boots,gloves and shorts and grey shirt and tights and Robin(Dick Grayson) with his yellow cape and red and green shirt with the R on it with the green shorts and ankle boots.

I hope Dick Grayson(Robin) will appear in the next Batman film after TDK. He could wear the all red costume as worn by Tim Drake in the recent Batman comics. There is a rumor on MTV.com that Heroes star Milo Ventimiglia wants to play Robin/Nightwing in a future Batman film. I know that Chris Nolan isn't using Robin in his films but I hope he reconsiders because I always thought Batman was more fun when Robin is with him.

You see I grew up watching the Batman cartoons The New Adventures of Batman with Adam West and Burt Ward doing the voices of Batman and Robin and the original 60's Batman cartoon with Olan Soule and Casey Kasem doing the voices of Batman and Robin. And I watched the TV show,read the comics with or without Robin,saw the movies and the recent animated series with Kevin Conroy as the voice of Batman and MArk Hamill as the Joker and the recent one called The Batman. And I was intrigued by Batman and Robin's colorful costumes & their vehicles and gadgets. I hope to see the same Batman and Robin adventures I loved when I was a kid only darker and grittier like the Batman animated series from the early 90's and Robin to be as tough as Batman and be a smart detective and perhaps even a computer genius and not the Holy this and Holy that guy from the TV show. And I don't want Robin's costume changed or not have a cape but have his costume have the red suit and black cape he currently wears today.

 

[COMPO]

yeah i';d like to go with the BTAS type Robin. that was the best incarnation.

 

[GL1]

No one has convinced me Robin's origin is 'broken' in a way that needs these massive overhauls... that's what I don't get about some of these posts...

 

[CaptainClown]

People wouldn't find it strange that a billionaire play boy adopts a kid.. ya that kidn of needs to be fixed

 

[Nepenthes]

People wouldn't find it strange that a billionaire play boy adopts a kid.. ya that kidn of needs to be fixed

It's not so much that things are "broken", rather that some of the rationale behind Robin is often vague or flimsy. We take alot of stuff for granted in comics, and that's fine; but on film, and for a general audience, I think the following aspects need to be considered in more detail.

Robins age - why exactly does Batman choose a partner so young? What's so special about this kid that a more mature and experienced partner cannot provide?
His training - demonstrate how a mid-to-late-teenager can be so proffiecnt in a variety of skills. Make it beleivable.
The circumstances of his "adoption" - these need to be more specific, natural and credible. Clown is right. A selfish, aloof playboy cannot just aquire a young orphan like it's no strange thing.
His first exposure to crime fighting - there have been at least more five diferrent Robin stories on this. Which one is "unbroken"?

 

[CaptainClown]

did you ever read my version on robin?

 

[Nepenthes]

yeah a daredevil rider whose family had old friendships with Bruce Wayne, that begins to address at least three of those issues mentioned above. I like it but I'd take it further though. I'll do a point-by-point write-up one day. soon maybe

 

[CaptainClown]

ya, I was too lazy to go into it but got the concept up. What were the other issues

 

[Crook]

Robins age - why exactly does Batman choose a partner so young? What's so special about this kid that a more mature and experienced partner cannot provide?

Well I'd imagine his skill level for such a young age. Nothing specific, just a general observation. That in itself provides extreme potential, and that's best molded as young as possible.

The circumstances of his "adoption" - these need to be more specific, natural and credible. Clown is right. A selfish, aloof playboy cannot just aquire a young orphan like it's no strange thing.

Wayne sympathizing with the young boy isn't enough? Since Wayne is in the public eye so much, his story would be pretty well-known. The Wayne's were popular figures in Gotham, so them being gunned down is a public event.

Grayson's parents being killed in front of hundreds/thousands would attract attention. Making the connection between Bruce and Dick's trauma wouldn't be hard in the least. That's something everyone can understand, thus an adoption of some sorts is not really that far-fetched.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

I love the character of Robin. I believe he is a necessary and awesome part of the Batman mythos. I don't like when people look at the character and automatically think dumb, stereotypical gay jokes and don't try to appreciate the substance.

Robin (Dick Grayson, that is) is ESSENTIALLY Batman's son. I believe it is important for the character to be young when his parents are killed. Right around the age Bruce was when his parents were murdered. Because it's all about the parallel. Bruce witnesses this child's life being torn from him just like his was, and he immediately connects with it. I like the Dark Victory origin, myself, where Bruce did not take Dick in with the intention of him becoming his partner. Bruce took him in because he sympathized with him.

It's important for the character to be young because he is supposed to see Bruce as his father. And frankly, a 16 year old is NOT going to do that. Neither is an 18 year old. It's important for the father/son dynamic to be there, because it solidifies the fact that Robin is Batman's legacy. That one day Batman will be gone, and Robin will become Batman (which I've always wanted to see).

As to a billionaire not taking in a child, I don't think that's necessarily the case. Gotham KNOWS the story of Bruce Wayne. They know his parents were dead. And they know he saw Dick Grayson's parents murdered. I think that they could see that he adopted him because he felt sympathy for him. And with all that money, I'm sure Bruce could arrange it.

And like I said before, Batman shouldn't have been scouting for Robin (ala All-Star Batman and Robin). He never wanted a partner. He did not WANT Dick Grayson to become his squire. But after investigating his parents murders, and realizing he has been neglecting the child while off as Batman, he shares his identity with him. But even then, he doesn't want to train Dick. It is after badgering and Dick going out to avenge his parents that Bruce finally agrees to train Dick.

And yes, he should be young when this happens. But remember Dick has an amazing talent for his age. And he's learning from the best. And just because he's training young, does NOT mean he's Robin young. I'd imagine that Batman would train him for a good long while before he ever let him out on the street.

And when he does, he enjoys it. Sure he has to look out for Dick, but Dick brings a light into his life that wasn't there before. He brings FAMILY back into Bruce's life. And Bruce remembers what it was like to be happy. That is why Robin is essential to the Batman mythos. He keeps Batman human. Because without him, Batman would continue to fall deeper and deeper into the monster he created. And even Alfred couldn't pull him out of it.

Now it's hard to pull Robin off in a movie, because even if he's trained by the greatest, people aren't going to buy a 13 year old kid kicking the **** out of a full grown man. So it is hard to pull off. So people automatically wanna make him older. Which ruins the story IMO. Look at Batman Forever. That Dick Grayson is old enough to drive and live on his own. It's impossible for Bruce to even adopt him. There is NO father/son dynamic there at all, which I believe is the core of the Robin story.

Keep Robin young. But it's difficult to pull off. It's a Catch 22. I know.

 

[Crook]

Now it's hard to pull Robin off in a movie, because even if he's trained by the greatest, people aren't going to buy a 13 year old kid kicking the **** out of a full grown man. So it is hard to pull off.

That's a bit contradictory, don't you think? Size and age mean absolutely nothing in a fight. Since this is Robin we're talking about, being trained by the goddamn Batman, I don't see how it's far-fetched to see a trained acrobat running circles around hired thugs.