The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[cerealkiller182]

The one scene I like about Batman Forever was when Robin confronted Batman about not saving his parents after beating that ridiculous neon gang.

The way I see it. The flying graysons die. Dick Grayson goes through the same transition as Bruce Wayne but he doesnt have the money to travel the world and find himself and train himself so he just jumps right into fighting crime. He gets in over his head. He fights some thugs in an alley but is stopped by Batman. He goes after Batman blaming him for not saving his parents. Batman sees himself in Dick so he adopts him eventually Dick figures out hes Batman and becomes Robin. The difference is Robin comes to terms with his parents death which Batman can't. Robin becomes the guiding light for Batman to continue his crime fighting.

 

[GL1]

The way GL1 will see it: The flying graysons die. Dick Grayson goes through the same transition as Bruce Wayne but he doesnt have the money to travel the world and find himself and train himself so he just jumps right into fighting crime. He gets in over his head. He fights some thugs in an alley but is saved by Batman. He goes after Batman blaming him for not saving his parents. Batman sees that Dick will surely die if he doesn't adopt him so he adopts him eventually Dick figures out hes Batman and starts training. The difference is Robin comes to terms with his parents death which Batman can't. Robin becomes the guiding light for Batman to retain his sanity.

Fixed.

But seriously, I have little problem with any of the ideas given above beyond the idea that Dick Grayson becoming a vigilante on his own is both A) ridiculous, and should lead to quick and certain death B) new and unnecessary.

If Dick is old, smart, experienced and skilled enough to be a successful vigilante on his own, then why should Bruce take him in? Why should Bruce trust him on any level? Why would Bruce even respect that... wouldn't he take this pretender to jail with the other criminals?

And if Dick is his own hero, why is he in a Batman movie?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Fixed.

But seriously, I have little problem with any of the ideas given above beyond the idea that Dick Grayson becoming a vigilante on his own is both A) ridiculous, and should lead to quick and certain death B) new and unnecessary.

If Dick is old, smart, experienced and skilled enough to be a successful vigilante on his own, then why should Bruce take him in? Why should Bruce trust him on any level? Why would Bruce even respect that... wouldn't he take this pretender to jail with the other criminals?

And if Dick is his own hero, why is he in a Batman movie?

Never said he was good at it. Should have mentioned I dont expect a 10 year old Robin, thats ridiculous. A 16 year old works better.

 

[Spider-Bat]

Robin should get a chance at a BB sequel. He still hasn't been brought to life the right way.

Chris did okay in BF, but we need a 16 year old or 17 to play Robin, someone good who looks like him, the black wild hair and all.

He can be done seriously to fit in. Maybe when a nother director takes over.

 

[Hypestyle]

Robin should be in part 3..

I guess Nolan and company hate him, but I'm still expressing my opinion on it..
give Robin a dark red/black outfit, with better head covering..

I also want Barbara Gordon..

 

[wellsy]

I don't believe Nolan hates Robin. Nolan just doesn't feel confidant dealing with the character (and that's understandable - Robin hasn't been presented right in the history of motion picture Batman).

Just thought I'd correct...

 

[GregComicFan]

I've said it once and I'll say it again...

It's NOT Robin that Nolan should DEFINITELY consider for Batman 3.

It's DICK GRAYSON...

It is the NATURAL progression of Batman's war on crime to one day discover another little boy, just like him, who loses both parents to a cruel evil criminal act... and due to this, Bruce decides to become the boy's legal guardian, in order to help counsel him through the torment...

I really don't care to see Robin, I much rather see Dick Grayson, Bruce, the father-son relationship, Bruce finding himself as a mentor and a father-figure, and maturing as Batman due to those additions to his life.

 

[Mladen]

I honestly see the only way that Robin could work in this setting is as a copy-cat model. Very simply, a kid/teenager who is inspired by the Batman figure and just starts patrolling the streets at night (non-Robin costume). I'd entirely ditch the father/son thing, it doesn't make a whole lot of logical sense that Bruce Wayne would adopt a child regardless of the situation (though unofficially mentor him, maybe). The Bruce of these films just doesn't seem like he'd do that. I also think the circus performer thing is entirely dated. circuses were probably common in the 40s, but its pretty rare now and kind of hokey.

Anyway: the kid is a copycat (Tim Drake more than Grayson).
Batman stumbles across him, and gets the kid arrested to keep him from hurting himself.
The kid then does some of his own detective work and coupled with personally meeting Batman, manages to work out the guy's identity (though not too easily, don't want to make it seem too obvious).
He changes the outfit (to Robin) and secretly follows Bats on his patrol. Robin helps beat up some gangsters, and Batman realises he can't just turn him in to the authorities since corrupt police officers would reveal the kid's identity to the gangsters.
After which point he sort of takes him under his wing. "if I can't stop you, i'll at least teach you how to not get yourself killed" kind of thing

 

[Compi716]

I've said it once and I'll say it again...

It's NOT Robin that Nolan should DEFINITELY consider for Batman 3.

It's DICK GRAYSON...

It is the NATURAL progression of Batman's war on crime to one day discover another little boy, just like him, who loses both parents to a cruel evil criminal act... and due to this, Bruce decides to become the boy's legal guardian, in order to help counsel him through the torment...

I really don't care to see Robin, I much rather see Dick Grayson, Bruce, the father-son relationship, Bruce finding himself as a mentor and a father-figure, and maturing as Batman due to those additions to his life.

Agreed. Dick is the one that needs to appear, not Robin.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Alright, i was thinking maybe Nolan should just scrap the robin idea and just start with nightwing off the get go, i really think, if done properly, that nightwing can fit in Nolan's batman universe. Maybe nightwing can have a small supporting role in a 3rd or 4th film.

Please feel free to comment on my thoughts

 

[elgato]

Sincerely I don't want Robin, he's just a character that doesn't fit any media but comics

 

[Amazing Afroman]

Alright, i was thinking maybe Nolan should just scrap the robin idea and just start with nightwing off the get go, i really think, if done properly, that nightwing can fit in Nolan's batman universe. Maybe nightwing can have a small supporting role in a 3rd or 4th film.

Please feel free to comment on my thoughts

This strain of thought comes up repeatedly on the boards. While I understand the hesitation about Robin, the problem with Nightwing is that he needs to be Robin first. I love Nightwing mind you, and as such Dick is a much cooler character than he was as Robin. However the point of Nightwing is that he is the fruition of the character. The ultimate purpose of Bruce taking him in was to prevent Dick from becoming what Bruce had, a dark and vengeful soul. Dick Grayson has his fair share of issues, but he has absorbed the lessons of Batman and become something more. Unlike Bruce, Dick is a whole person, not tormented and obsesive. The basis of Nightwing is Robin. Without this, the character looses it's spirit and the adult Dick Grayson is just another guy in a suit.

Whether we'll see robin in the Nolan universe, it could be done, and done well. I'd like it to be, but I'll wait and see.

 

[Amazing Afroman]

EDIT: Double Post

 

[CaptainClown]

I stand by my campaign of no robin in the movies.

 

[Amazing Afroman]

CaptainClown, I love the avatar!t:

 

[CaptainClown]

why thank you =)

 

[Compi716]

Alright, i was thinking maybe Nolan should just scrap the robin idea and just start with nightwing off the get go, i really think, if done properly, that nightwing can fit in Nolan's batman universe. Maybe nightwing can have a small supporting role in a 3rd or 4th film.

Please feel free to comment on my thoughts

Though it could work, I feel that it would take something away from the Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson relationship. Dick should be introduced as a child, and be trained by Bruce for YEARS. When he reaches a mature age (say, college years, similar to his introduction in TAS) then it is okay fro him to adapt the mantle of Robin. But to jump directly to Nightwing isn't very true to the source, and it ignores an extremely large and important amount of history. I say go along the route of 'Dark Victory' when it comes to Robin.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Well im not saying take away the history, im just saying adapt it.
Well my idea is maybe when bruce wayne is in his teens he runs into a little boy who lost his parents, and then they start to talk and sortof create a friendship if you would say with each having there own differences, and then brue wayne vanishes (ending up in a japanese prison, Batman begins) and then years later when bruce has become batman, batman is in the middle of robbery chase with a random thug, and then nightwing jumps down from a rooftop and they meet (not knowing they have met before).

And yeah, this story continues, and nightwing and batman reveal there identities to each other...

Let me know what you think.

 

[wellsy]

I suppose it's alright, but honestly, Afro put it very well - Nightwing is what Robin becomes. And if you don't have Robin, you lose a part of Nightwing's contrast with Batman (being a more whole person).

Remember, Bruce was consumned by anger and hatred for the murderer of his parents, to the point of taking revenge and becoming the very thing he so despised (Batman Begins). He'd want to see Dick avoid that, and in a way, succeeds. Thats where the Robin aspect comes in; it's Bruce letting Dick have a go at the life of a vigilante, and forcing Dick to evaluate his reasons for following this life.

It is eventually this difference in reason that brings about the more complete person in Dick, since he's not doing it because he feels it's his duty, but rather his obligation. Its a slight, but discernible and important distinction.

And the Robin years are where that difference comes through. If what you're suggesting were to happen, in order to obtain this characterisation that I've suggested here, then Nightwing would need to be the focus of the film, not Batman. Showing Dick as Robin lets people see that development without shifting away from Batman.

And looking back at that, even if Robin doesn't actually go out on patrol (sending info, hacking into security systems, etc), you could still show this progression in a way that fits into Nolan's world (and Robin could be just a code name a la "Black King to White Bishop..." from Tomorrow Never Dies).

 

[Logan Howlett]

Robin Begins

 

[DCnightwing23]

I think my idea could work. But i also agree with you guys in a way, cause robin can be a could character if used properly. I guess you can make him a darker character, but im not sure. I really feel that the only way to bring DICK GRAYSON into the nolan universe you would have to use a more mature dark character like nightwing, just change his background and sortof create a new beginning for dick grayson.

 

[Logan Howlett]

 

[Vaportrail]

I loved the Robin origin/flashback storyline in Batman:TAS. Something more like that would be fine.
How do you introduce him without repeating Batman Forever? I mean, they got the basic story right, just the characters oh-so-wrong. I want to see Grayson as a kid, and Batman raising him. I don't know, I'd have to read into his origin more.
I mean, if they get into a second trilogy (we'll see, heh), establish Grayson in 3 or 4, but get to Robin the episode after that. First though, I think we should just spend some time with Batman.

I really would love to see Nolan's take on him, though. It'd be superb. That goes for just about all the villains though. We'll see.

-Vaportrail

 

[DCnightwing23]

I loved the Robin origin/flashback storyline in Batman:TAS. Something more like that would be fine.
How do you introduce him without repeating Batman Forever? I mean, they got the basic story right, just the characters oh-so-wrong. I want to see Grayson as a kid, and Batman raising him. I don't know, I'd have to read into his origin more.
I mean, if they get into a second trilogy (we'll see, heh), establish Grayson in 3 or 4, but get to Robin the episode after that. First though, I think we should just spend some time with Batman.

I really would love to see Nolan's take on him, though. It'd be superb. That goes for just about all the villains though. We'll see.

-Vaportrail

Yeah i was thinking they do a solo film for nightwing, like a film following the events of The New Batman Adventures, and we see how nightwing is defending bludhaven

 

[DCnightwing23]

Well there have been speculation that a dick grayson character might surface in the nolan universe of batman. But if there were to be a dick grayson character should he become robin or nightwing?

Well perhaps if dick grayson was introduced to the franchise he would be introduced as a abandoned ophan in his teens, maybe 16 or something like that.

And while duck grayson was little, maybe 6 or 7, he runs into a bruce wayne (in his teens) and they discuss there losses, bruce knowing that dick is a orphan that lost his parents to the mob. They discuss how gotham can be saved and how both of them will avenge there parents death. So dick (a child) and bruce (a teenager) become somewhat friends with tensions and differences. Then Bruce suddenly leaves gotham without anyone knowing (Batman Begins). And then years later after bruce had returned and had become the dark knight, batman is in a footrace to catch a thug that escaped the asylum. And then batman is about to catch the thug, when suddenly someone jumps from the rooftop and topples the thug, that someone is Nightwing. Nightwing then introduces himself to batman saying "hello bruce". Nightwing knew that bruce had become batman from their talks in the past about catching the criminals one day. Batman says "how do you know who i am?" Nightwing responds "oh bruce, you dont remember little old me, how many abandoned orphans do you run into when your young huh bruce?". Then bruce (batman) says "Dick?"
Nightwing says "in the flesh, you didnt think id survive in the narrows did you? Well people also didnt think bruce wayne wouldnt come back after 7 years".



Well guys this is what i have so far, let me know what you think and if i should add more. thanks.