The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[Logan Howlett]

1. He must be slightly older than the typical comic Robin. Make him 16 or 17, but mature for his age.
2. Bruce and Dick don't live together. It's too ridiculous for anyone to allow an orphan to move in with selfish, irresponsible, playboy Bruce Wayne. Instead, have Bruce take an interest in him and give him a scholarship through his foundation. The "mentor" idea is a good one.
3. Bruce allows him to be his partner to "save" him. Dick goes hunting for the person who killed his parents. Bruce sees himself in him, and tells him that he will help him bring down his parent's killer the right way.
4. Make reference to training he's had in the circus. This explains how he can pick up on the vigilante thing so quickly. He should not be anywhere near the fighter Bruce is. Have him win fights with agility, brains, and technology.
5. His costume: dark shades of red and green with black mixed in. Full pants and sleeves, with black gloves and black boots. Have him ride a motorcycle, but show him spending most of his time on foot. The free-running is a great idea.
6. Don't make him kiddie. Yes, he can be sarcastic. All kids his age are. But he needs to act like a kid who's lived through a terrible tragedy. He should be angry, and take stupid risks because of his anger. But Bruce teaches him to channel his anger into something positive.

I would not have him involved in the third movie. It's too soon, and the focus still needs to be on Bruce's journey. After Bruce has established himself, we can bring in a partner. However, the focus needs to stay on Bruce. Show him trying to help the boy, show his empathy for his situation, and show him trying to stop him from becoming like him until he realizes there's no choice.

The difference between your idea and mine.....is one year. 17-18. I like the way you think bub.

 

[GL1]

1. He must be slightly older than the typical comic Robin. Make him 16 or 17, but mature for his age.
2. Bruce and Dick don't live together. It's too ridiculous for anyone to allow an orphan to move in with selfish, irresponsible, playboy Bruce Wayne. Instead, have Bruce take an interest in him and give him a scholarship through his foundation. The "mentor" idea is a good one.
3. Bruce allows him to be his partner to "save" him. Dick goes hunting for the person who killed his parents. Bruce sees himself in him, and tells him that he will help him bring down his parent's killer the right way.
4. Make reference to training he's had in the circus. This explains how he can pick up on the vigilante thing so quickly. He should not be anywhere near the fighter Bruce is. Have him win fights with agility, brains, and technology.
5. His costume: dark shades of red and green with black mixed in. Full pants and sleeves, with black gloves and black boots. Have him ride a motorcycle, but show him spending most of his time on foot. The free-running is a great idea.
6. Don't make him kiddie. Yes, he can be sarcastic. All kids his age are. But he needs to act like a kid who's lived through a terrible tragedy. He should be angry, and take stupid risks because of his anger. But Bruce teaches him to channel his anger into something positive.

I would not have him involved in the third movie. It's too soon, and the focus still needs to be on Bruce's journey. After Bruce has established himself, we can bring in a partner. However, the focus needs to stay on Bruce. Show him trying to help the boy, show his empathy for his situation, and show him trying to stop him from becoming like him until he realizes there's no choice.

1) I've said it before, I'll say it again. It takes years to be able to learn to do what Batman does. If Grayson meets Batman when he's 16, he'll be 22-25 before he's ready. If being in the circus was good enough, the police department would recruit from circuses.

2) I understand the sentiment, I do. But there's ways around it, that don't weaken the partnership.

3) Putting someone in the line of bullets to 'save' them is rediculous. There's good psychologists if that's the case. I'd buy the courts granting custody to a rich man with a butler before I'd say Bruce thinks leaping off of buildings is the cure to anything. Hasn't cured bruce yet, that's for sure.

4) Circus training is an explanation of how he would pick up the vigilante thing at all. And all the circus training in the world will never explain an adolescent outsmarting grown men who are hardened criminals.

5) I'm still not convinced any Green is necessary. The current Robin costume has none at all.

6) Stupid risks for vigilante = death. He should be angry, and bitter and sarcastic. That's where his storyline naturally leads. Stick with the comics and the 'kiddie' part won't even come into play.

7) Introducing a young Grayson as a supporting cast member can easily be done for a third movie without taking focus away from bruce... just as the scenes that develop Jim Gordon don't take away from Bruce.

 

[The Law]

I don't think putting him into movie three is a good idea. I fully expect Bruce will be going through something of a personal crisis during movie three, battling his friend Harvey Dent and having to face the fact that he may be creating the monsters he is seeking to stop. I can't see him taking in someone else while he is in the midst of such personal issues. At the end of three, this should be resolved, and in movie four he can focus on a partner. Essentially, Bruce will have to have saved himself before he can save someone else.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Robin should be adapted in movie four as movie three should belong to Two-Face & by bringing in Robin it would probably only complicate things. For this version of Robin, they should definitely use the Dick Grayson version & he should also have an updated costume.

 

[COMPO]

what if they bring him in at movie four and his main plot is him just wanting to bring his parent's killer in. but, while searching through Gotham he helps random people who are being mugged or soemthing.

and at the end the of teh film Robin and Batman are stood on top of Wayne Manor with Bruce asking what he'll do next. And Robin is sort of left at crossroad to what he should do. He remembers what he did whilst looking for zucco and asks Batman if he can help the people of Gotham.

And in terms of the Robin persona and outfit Robin explains to Batman along the lines of "you wear the suit to instill fear on the criminals of Gotham, I want to instill hope for the people of Gotham."

 

[The Joker_1000]

The look should resemble his comic incarnation but in the movie it should be a little more updated but should still look a little like it did in TAS. Hopefully we'll also get to see Nightwin in this franchise.

 

[COMPO]

shouldnt nightwing get his own film.

 

[The Joker_1000]

If you want him to be a main character, then yes, but I want him to be a supporting character who helps Batman so no.

 

[Jordacar]

I've been thinking hard on this topic for a long time. I even started a thread about it on another forum. Recently, I thought of a few important points about Robin that I don't think have ever come up:

1) The Costume: In many versions, Robin's uniform is a variation on his old circus outfit. I wouldn't do exactly that, though COMPO made a good point about it:

And in terms of the Robin persona and outfit Robin explains to Batman along the lines of "you wear the suit to instill fear on the criminals of Gotham, I want to instill hope for the people of Gotham."

Being in the circus almost since birth, I imagine he's been instilled with a sort of preferance to brighter colors in his act, and that might carry over into his crime fighting. Just a thought.

2) The "Ward": My introduction to Robin's origin was the TAS version, which has a lot of good points: the circus nor foster care can take the orphaned Dick because he's a material witness; he knows that Zucco killed his parents and the guy is still at large. So Bruce, who probably feels a kinship with the kid, volunteers to take him in. That works for me.

3) Here's the big one, so please read on:
Dick doesn't become a vigilante simply because his parents were killed, though that is certainly the main point. But think about it: here's a kid who learned to walk on a high wire, who has been raised to face dangerous situations, sometimes without a net, for the sake of entertainment, his entire life. He is a fearless acrobat born to and raised by fearless acrobats. He has danger and adventure literally in his blood, even moreso than Bruce Wayne. This is not the kind of personality that is going to sit around in a boring foster home or in massive Wayne Manor and be content with staying "safe" or "out of trouble."

 

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, if I were Nolan, I'd go with something close to Robin's origins in TAS as Bruce Timm & crew came up with something dark & good at the same time. I'd love to see a Robin that's nothing like the one we got in BF because the actor for Robin was atrocious.

 

[COMPO]

i hated taht bit were he dried his clothes. soon as i saw it i just thought "tit".

 

[The Joker_1000]

I just hated the look of that Robin altogether. To date, my favorite Robin's come from TAS.

 

[COMPO]

yeah i liked him. he made jokes but, he was serious at what he did.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I liked Robin in Batman Forever. Next Robin should be a teenager though.

 

[COMPO]

i liked him in forever but, not batman and robin.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

God I've posted here like a million times (well only 3 or 4)


listen, just stick to TAS origin and make him a good contrast to the dark knight...

in terms of his suit.... RED & BLACK (NO GREEN DAMMIT)
go in terms of what was in BF, but do all red & black, AND DON'T USE SHINY METALLIC COLORS... that was stupid...

ANYONE WHO READS Robin comics loves Robin & feels that Batman fits well (NOT NECESSARILY BETTER) with him...

I COMMEND YOU...

ROBIN ROCKS

 

[doqta]

I Personally think if Nolan was to adapt a Robin character he would not make him batmans sidekick or partner he would make them not know each other while going after the same villian. the whole teamwork thing wouldnt work with nolans batman world. i would have robin be a younger man on the street without a fancy suit like this. that way there could be someone competeing with batman they could maybe even fight along the way. i dont know. just my two cents

 

[Nepenthes]

the whole teamwork thing wouldnt work with nolans batman world

Right, so Gordon would never drive the batmobile, Alfred would never pick him up and take him home and Lucius would never help out with antidotes he'd just say nah I'm too busy devouring all these delicious hors d'oeurves. Teh realizm = teamwork, that's what happens in real life. Give it a military dynamic between Batman & Robin and it would work perfectly. Great picture though.

 

[Gallagher]

Hoody Robin?

No thanks. I'll pass.

 

[COMPO]

the suit that Damien wore in Batman and Son looks good. Maybe they should use taht.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I Personally think if Nolan was to adapt a Robin character he would not make him batmans sidekick or partner he would make them not know each other while going after the same villian. the whole teamwork thing wouldnt work with nolans batman world. i would have robin be a younger man on the street without a fancy suit like this. that way there could be someone competeing with batman they could maybe even fight along the way. i dont know. just my two cents

There should be no hoody Robin, stick to a Robin with a costume similar to the one in the comics. I just pray we don't get a suit like the one we got in Batman & Robin, the one in Batman Forever was okay for that type of movie.

 

[Nepenthes]

If you're gonna go with a hoody-type Robin then the ThrillKiller design is pretty bad-arse. Basically a kevlar jacket with lots of room for devices.

 

[Mladen]

I Personally think if Nolan was to adapt a Robin character he would not make him batmans sidekick or partner he would make them not know each other while going after the same villian. the whole teamwork thing wouldnt work with nolans batman world. i would have robin be a younger man on the street without a fancy suit like this. that way there could be someone competeing with batman they could maybe even fight along the way. i dont know. just my two cents

i agree that the robin should be a loner street vigilante modelling himself on the batman.
lets not forget that the original robin outfit was supposed to be the type of outfit a child might be able to make. The hoody is the sort of thing a teenager would come up with out of whatever material he has available (especially if he's not at all wealthy)
if they end up teaming up, Batman could help spruce up his outfit afterwards.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

i agree that the robin should be a loner street vigilante modelling himself on the batman.

Yeah like Carrie Kelly from DKR... that would be sweet...


TO PARAPHRASE:

We can't be sure which are Batman, or one's he's inspired... -DKR

 

[The Joker_1000]

Robin doesn't need to be just like Batman or at least not until he becomes Nightwing.