The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[Keyser Sushi]

Sushi - And taking on 1-3, (maybe even ten-12 for a Robin) melee armed guys is fine and dandy. But I think it's pushing it when kevlar armed Batman takes out a room full of guys WITH GUNS in a big open area without being easily seen. For Robin to do it, to me, would be a bit too much.

That's why God made shadows. And Batarangs.

Nepenthes - Not to me. To me Robin is a kid, when he becomes an adult, he's Nightwing, and I think of those as totally different characters with totally different things to bring to the series. An Adult Robin can't play the creepy kid angle popular in horror films, an Adult Robin can't bring any innosence to a given situation, and Adult Robin cannot learn as rapidly as a child Robin and make becoming Robin believable if he's not taking a seven year journey. To me, when Robin becomes an adult, he becomes redundant, and that's why he has to move out on his own.

I'd have to say I agree with that. Robin is a kid, by default. If he's grown up he can't be Robin, and he can't be anybody's apprentice.

 

[Nepenthes]

I've tried, but really I just can't understand that. He' could still be young, yeah, but not a friggin 12 yr old. Ask me most 18yr olds today are like 15yr olds from a generation ago. Oh well. I'm glad we can all have different opinions here.

 

[Cobblepot]

****..wrong thread

 

[Katsuro]

That's why God made shadows. And Batarangs.

And a bo-staff. I always liked the decision to give Robin a staff as a weapon, to help conpensate for his shorter reach and such.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I'm dead set against robin, BUT if it had to happen:

His parents death would have to be an accident that was partly batmans fault, its the only way i could see bales batman taking that much sympathy on the kid. and secondly his costume would have to be something like the costume in Kingdom Come

Because as cool as i honestly do think it looks sometimes, i just don't buy the whole "a mask over his eyes means no-one has a clue who he is" thing, not in nolans reality-grounded world at least.

id like to see hair kinda like gambit but a mask covering like batmans

 

[Texas Zombie]

they might if they have to do something from the all red years

 

[thedarks0ldier]

I've tried, but really I just can't understand that. He' could still be young, yeah, but not a friggin 12 yr old. Ask me most 18yr olds today are like 15yr olds from a generation ago. Oh well. I'm glad we can all have different opinions here.

The movie Leon (the Professional) was able to pull this off VERY well, why can't Batman? Even with the scene were a 12 year old Matilda says she loves an about 40 year old Leon people didnt see Leon as a creep.

With Robin, you wouldn't have that problem because there is no love or attraction between the two. You could still have an awesome movie that can be taken seriously, if done right.

If they were to go with an older Robin I could see it being more like Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor in Episode I (for when Dick is Robin.)

 

[Keyser Sushi]

The movie Leon (the Professional) was able to pull this off VERY well, why can't Batman? Even with the scene were a 12 year old Matilda says she loves an about 40 year old Leon people didnt see Leon as a creep.

With Robin, you wouldn't have that problem because there is no love or attraction between the two. You could still have an awesome movie that can be taken seriously, if done right.

Exactly.

If they were to go with an older Robin I could see it being more like Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor in Episode I (for when Dick is Robin.)

The difference is that Liam Neeson's character had supposedly been teaching Ewan since Ewan was a very young child. Episode I just came in towards the end of Ewan's apprenticeship. Likewise the only way an older Robin would work is if we were asked to accept that five or more years had gone by with them working together, without being put to film. Which, frankly, would sorta piss me off.

 

[TripXyDE]

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[Keyser Sushi]

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Did you read the first post in this thread?

Noooooooooo.

 

[Nepenthes]

Leon is a good example, If a younger Robin were to be introduced it would be excellent to crib liberally from that movie. The relationship never gets cheesy or over-stretched and she gets her vengeance without going all-out girl commando.

Darksoldier, I think the simple addition of 'spandex' into the same dynamic would ruin its chances as a serious movie. I know it's a pity but realistically, most people just would just smirk at it in a superhero flick. They wouldn't have an open mind or a willingness to move past what they already know of Batman+Robin. And I'm talking the GA not fans.

In fact I don't think such a movie would even get off the ground at WB. Because if kid Robin WAS introduced, the movie would be marketed towards 10-15yr olds and it wouldn't be half as good as Batman Begins. It would be a relatively shallow goodtime action adventure.

You know what, a Robin series similar to Smallville could be a hit tho.

 

[El Payaso]

With Robin, you wouldn't have that problem because there is no love or attraction between the two.

Well...


But part of what worked about Leon and the girl was the fact of the attraction between them that's constantly there but got never fulfilled. Which - let's pray God - can't be done in Batman case.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Well...


But part of what worked about Leon and the girl was the fact of the attraction between them that's constantly there but got never fulfilled. Which - let's pray God - can't be done in Batman case.

LOL,

That's funny, I expected you to say respond with something that would make me laugh. The American version known simply as the Professional removed most of that element, but I think the "He's not my father, he's my lover" was still in there, I don't remember, I was 8 when I saw the American one.

 

[Nepenthes]

It's not in there

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Having seen both versions... while "Leon: the Professional" is a superior cut of the film, the American version, which I saw first, in 1996 or so, left me no doubt that Matilda was trying to alter the nature of her relationship with Leon. And Leon was not having any of it, but, he did care about her. Having seen the international version, that holds true. The international version was just clearer about it.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Maybe if Luc Besson was to direct the 4th-6th Batman movies we could see a serious adaptation of Robin. Just pay Bale a discusting amount of money and he should come back. (does Bale have any children? If he does his kids will be watching those movies so that might provide some incentive to have Robin in the film. And if he doesn't have children, then he will most likely have children by then.)

POST # 1234!!!!!

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Maybe if Luc Besson was to direct the 4th-6th Batman movies we could see a serious adaptation of Robin. Just pay Bale a discusting amount of money and he should come back. (does Bale have any children? If he does his kids will be watching those movies so that might provide some incentive to have Robin in the film. And if he doesn't have children, then he will most likely have children by then.)

POST # 1234!!!!!

Do you really think only Luc Besson could make that happen???

 

[thedarks0ldier]

I don't think ONLY, but I think he is one of the people who can pull it off. I think he can create an atmosphere and set a mood similar's to Nolan, but still maintaining his own. I think his 5th Element is pretty comparable to Blade Runner in terms of style (not lighting or cinimatography) (is that how you spell it?) and that Leon is superior to Batman Begins in terms of quality and emotion and that Le Fem Nekita (is that how you spell that?) is a good example of how he can do Robin and The Dark Knight justice.

Of course I do believe there are plenty of directors that can do it, but how many do you think would get Bale's interest?

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Here is what I would do with Robin (who I genuinely would like to see introduced in this capacity)-

The death of his parents would occur somewhere along the halfway point of the third film. I don't have any ideas of the details of it or anything, so whatever.

But I would put him at about the same age Bruce was when his parents died. I would even cast a kid who most closely resembles the actor who played young Bruce. Keeping the parallels extremely close.

We would never see him in costume. Only a brief reference to the name Robin, even.

The relationship would be primarily a father-son relationship. Considering Movie-Bruce's actual physical training didn't begin until he was college age, I don't think it'd be appropriate for him to start shaping Dick into a kung fu master at such a young age. Like I said, the relationship would be more of a fatherly, nurturing one at this point.

I would stress the idea of Bruce emulating the father that he lost. I would even, despite danger of getting overly sappy, recall the "why do we fall?" line. Batman Begins was heavily paternal-themed. I think ending on this note, with Bruce as the father, would be a great bookend to a "trilogy," ending it on a particularly positive note, especially for a Batman movie.

 

[Hotwire]

Skip Robin, just go straight to Nightwing.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I second that emotion.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Skip Robin, just go straight to Nightwing.

That's pointless. Nightwing is not Batman's apprentice. Nightwing is a grown man who has no need to be anybody's apprentice. And Dick can't become Nightwing without Bruce's guidance.

Basically, Nightwing is meaningless without having first been Robin.

 

[Danny No-Shame]

First, I understand that my points below stray off the strict point of the thread, but my feelings are strong on this:

I think that if they introduce Dick Grayson, he should be shot in the head whilst on the trapeze, a split second after his parents get it. That way, the director will be issuing the clear and unmistakable point that Robin DOES NOT FIT into the Batman mythos (despite the fact that he has been part of that mythos for decades).

There is no reasonable, intelligent justification for Batman having a kid-sidekick. Even in Dark Knight it was a kludge. He was introduced back in the day as a marketing tool to get kids on board. It was a dreadful idea then, even more so now. As I say, if they're going to introduce the character, he should be killed off as soon as possible in order to clearly mark this iteration as being a Robin Free Zone.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

First, I understand that my points below stray off the strict point of the thread, but my feelings are strong on this:

Clearly. Also, you are aptly named.

I think that if they introduce Dick Grayson, he should be shot in the head whilst on the trapeze, a split second after his parents get it. That way, the director will be issuing the clear and unmistakable point that Robin DOES NOT FIT into the Batman mythos (despite the fact that he has been part of that mythos for decades).

I won't point out the obvious contradiction there. Oh, what the hell. If he didn't fit, he wouldn't be there. Like most things, it's purely a matter of execution.

There is no reasonable, intelligent justification for Batman having a kid-sidekick. Even in Dark Knight it was a kludge. He was introduced back in the day as a marketing tool to get kids on board. It was a dreadful idea then, even more so now. As I say, if they're going to introduce the character, he should be killed off as soon as possible in order to clearly mark this iteration as being a Robin Free Zone.

Yes, it was a marketing tool. I believe it has shown that it can transcend that, when it is treated as something serious rather than something silly and childish.

Also, there certainly is a way to justify it reasonably and intelligently, but someone like you wouldn't really be interested in that, so I won't bother explaining it just yet. I'm sure others will be arriving in a bit to do just that.

 

[Katsuro]

There is no reasonable, intelligent justification for Batman having a kid-sidekick. Even in Dark Knight it was a kludge. He was introduced back in the day as a marketing tool to get kids on board. It was a dreadful idea then, even more so now. As I say, if they're going to introduce the character, he should be killed off as soon as possible in order to clearly mark this iteration as being a Robin Free Zone.

If Robin was such a huge mistake, can I ask why he still exists? I mean, DC has had so many continuity-altering events that could've easily erased Robin from existence, but they didn't. Bat-mite is gone, the first Batwoman was erased (and I doubt this new one will last long), Batman no longer has Ace the Bathound. So many mistakes, all of them written out when they got the chance, so why wasn't Robin?

Because the terrible motivation behind Robin's original creation, good writers over the years have been able to turn him into something more. There are tons of good stories featuring Robin, and he's had a humongous, lasting effect on the Dark Knight's character.