After Nolan's BATMAN trilogy... - Part 1

Sadly I believe ^this^ to be true. A JL movie probably won't happen until after 2015. DC feature films should go like this; MOS, GL 2 introducing possibly John or Kyle and maybe even the hawkman's home planet, Wonder Woman, MOS 2, Flash, Obscure DC Hero Lobo, Cpt. Marvel, GL3 with Martian Manhunter possibly (I know I know), MOS 3 with Martian Manhunter maybe (once again I know), JL movie.
 
I have a hard time picturing a JL movie ever making it to screen, at least with Bale playing Batman. Nolan's interpretation is too close too reality to mesh with the other characters in the JL, plus they would have to introduce the other characters with their own movies like Marvel did with the Avengers, but I doubt any major studio would be willing to take that gamble. The reason Marvel was able to put together the Avengers tie in films the way they did is because they broke away from the major studios and started financing their own films, which gave them complete creative control. I don't think DC has that kind of clout, nor would they take such a risk even if they did. But if Nolan or Goyer is involved anything is possible.

http://www.seubsworld.com
 
Nice website by the way.

Yeah I don't think a JL movie will happen while Bale is Bats, but seeing as this is more then likely his final film according to him and Nolan then I think a JL movie could happen in in 5 years or so.

I'm sure by then maybe DC will either have their own film company as a subsidiary of Warner or another studio or executives will see the big dollars that can be made and greenlight a film after certain standalone films are made.

I don't think they should make a standalone film as Marvel did for each of their prime characters. I think Superman, Wonder Woman and a GL 2 will be more than enough to usher in a JL movie and have Batman, Flash, Aquaman, and others come in from that film. I just want a JL movie:csad:
 
Nice website by the way.

Yeah I don't think a JL movie will happen while Bale is Bats, but seeing as this is more then likely his final film according to him and Nolan then I think a JL movie could happen in in 5 years or so.

I'm sure by then maybe DC will either have their own film company as a subsidiary of Warner or another studio or executives will see the big dollars that can be made and greenlight a film after certain standalone films are made.

I don't think they should make a standalone film as Marvel did for each of their prime characters. I think Superman, Wonder Woman and a GL 2 will be more than enough to usher in a JL movie and have Batman, Flash, Aquaman, and others come in from that film. I just want a JL movie:csad:

I'm in the team "bring on the JL movie without any solo movies beforehand". then they could make the solo movies. and we wouldn't waste any time with origin movies.
 
I have a hard time picturing a JL movie ever making it to screen, at least with Bale playing Batman. Nolan's interpretation is too close too reality to mesh with the other characters in the JL.

I don't really care to see Bale in a JLA movie anyway, but I don't understand why people don't get the following concept:

Batman is supposed to be the most real of all the Justice League characters. He is supposed to appear initially somewhat out of place or in over his head.

The intersection of his real world aspects with the heightened nature of the other heroes and the cosmic threats...is. Half. The. Point.
 
I don't really care to see Bale in a JLA movie anyway, but I don't understand why people don't get the following concept:

Batman is supposed to be the most real of all the Justice League characters. He is supposed to appear initially somewhat out of place or in over his head.

The intersection of his real world aspects with the heightened nature of the other heroes and the cosmic threats...is. Half. The. Point.

As much as it hurts to say that, I agree with The Guard on this one :o
 
Lol...yeah the guard has a point. However, there are levels of realism that Batman's world can encompass.

For example, I don't think and never thought that Nolan's Batman could fit in a JL universe, even if Batman is the most "real" of the characters because Nolan has grounded Batman, his enemies and his story(s) in a very real world setting. However, if you look at BTAS or 90s Batman films where Batman fought regular criminals, the mob, and bad guys with superpowers, etc. then one could see that Batman making it into a JL film and still have ties to a real world feel.

Villains like the original Bane, clayface, freeze, poison ivy, even the joker embody a supernatural out of the ordinary nature that allow Batman to cross the lines of reality into fantasy.

So although Batman is the crime fighter and hero among superheros he is never "over his head." The others may think he is sometimes because they have super powers, but Batman never does or at the very least never leads them to believe he is. He may use the excuse that he has a board meeting or is busy with other things as he did many times in JL & JLU to cover up the fact that he is recuperating from a previous mission or feels that he may not be that much help or rather he could only do so much, but he never admits that he is not as good as anyone else. He is the greatest of them all, because he learns to fight evil of all kinds without the need of super powers.
 
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Lol...yeah the guard has the point. However, the are levels of realism that Batman's world can encompass.

For example, I don't think and never thought that Nolan's Batman could fit in a JL universe, even if Batman is the most "real" of the characters because Nolan has grounded Batman, his enemies and his story(s) in a very real word setting. However, if you look at BTAS or 90s Batman films where Batman fought regular criminals, the mob, and bad guys with superpowers, etc. then that one could see that Batman making it into a JL film and still have ties to a real world feel.

Villains like the original Bane, clayface, freeze, poison ivy, even the joker embody a supernatural out of the ordinary nature that allow Batman to cross the lines of reality into fantasy.

So although Batman is the crime fighter and hero among superheros is never "over his head." The others may think he is sometimes because super powers, but Batman never does or never leads them to believe this. He is the greatest of them all, because he learns to fight evil of all kinds without the need of super powers.

yeah, I agree with you!
 
I'm hoping the reboot will elevate Batman beyond being James Bond in a Batsuit.

He should be a detective first and foremost who lives in a gothic dream-scape where he is prepared for every situation far beyond what most people are capable of using a broad variety of simple yet highly specialized skills with genius mastery.

and Alfonso Cuaron is the man for the job. He single-handily saved the Harry Potter franchise from a path of mediocrity with his creative vision.
 
I wasn't aware Harry Potter was headed down a path of "mediocrity." The first two films seemed really good.
 
Lol...yeah the guard has the point. However, the are levels of realism that Batman's world can encompass

All of them.

It's about imagination and context.
 
All of them.

It's about imagination and context.


Exactly, so while Nolan's Batman may not fit in a JL movie a Batman that has a chemical scarred Joker, clay face goop monster, and ice gun mr. freeze yet still fights the mob and petty thugs could work in a JL movie without coming off as Batman did in Forever and Batman & Robin lol.
 
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My proposal:

No Man's Land
Directed by Neill Blomkamp
 
You know what they should do with the Bat-suit besides making it gray and simplified? Don't use a mask that looks like the actor's face.

They've been doing that crap since Batman Returns and it is so incredibly stupid. Who in their right mind would want their mask to look like their face with slightly exaggerated features if hiding their identity is a primary concern?
 
My proposal:

No Man's Land
Directed by Neill Blomkamp

I don't think that would be a good idea since Dark Knight Rises already borrows many elements from No Man's Land (bridges destroyed, city isolated with chaos everywhere, Batman gone, etc.). Critics and the general public would criticize a No Man's Land movie for rehashing those elements from TDKR, especially if No Man's Land is the first movie in the reboot (which means the first Batman film after TDKR).
 
have the 1st film in the next Batman series feature a villain that hasn't been featured in the Nolan films. Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask, Mr.Freeze, etc.
 
have the 1st film in the next Batman series feature a villain that hasn't been featured in the Nolan films. Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask, Mr.Freeze, etc.

Frankly, I think that his rogues gallery should consist of people he has never faced in the movies before.

The first one should involve Deadshot or Killer Croc.

The second one should involve Mad Hatter, Ventriloquist or Calendar Man

The third one should involve Prometheus, Black Mask, Red Hood (If they ever used Jason Todd) or Hush.
 
All right, since the new movie is now out and I have seen it, I am going to list the top five things I want from the next Batman series (and I will include no spoilers).

1. Don't tell us what we already know. We really, REALLY do not need another Batman origin film, at least any time soon. This has been the big complaint I have heard about Amazing Spider-Man, and it has kept many people, myself (a huge Spider-Man fan and comic book geek) away from seeing the movie. When everyone already know the origin of the character, you don't have to spend a whole movie retelling it. Incredible Hulk, a "requel" did a great job of this by just skimming over it in the opening minutes/credits. If you need to see a different version of Batman's origin that you didn't get in Batman Begins (still my favorite Bat movie), go read Batman: Year One. It's great. Also, with the abundance of Bat villains, try to stay away from the ones Nolan already gave us. Which brings me to...

2. More "fantasy"-based villains. I have LOVED Nolan's "realism" approach, as it has worked extremely well for his films, but now it may be time to branch out again. Don't be scared to include characters like Man-Bat, Killer Croc, and a new personal favorite of mine, the Court of Owls (I feel like that storyline lends itself VERY well to film). Scarecrow was a good start, but let's have some fun and branch out even more.

3. Keep the bar high (for cast and crew). This Batman series gave us a brilliant director and some of the best actors in the world appearing in a COMIC BOOK movie. We had Liam Neeson, Christian Bale, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Michael Caine, etc. I know we may not get that same level of excellence in the next movie/series, but give us a director with real vision, not Brett Ratner or McG. The cast doesn't have to be all A-listers, but keep the actual acting quality high. Think of names like Bryan Cranston for Gordon and Bill Nighy or John Cleese as Alfred.

4. Show some respect to the Bat-Family. I think we are at the point now where we can get a great movie featuring Dick Grayson. Robin is not "silly." Robin is not "gay." Robin is, however, arguably the third most important character in all of the Batman mythology behind Bruce and Alfred. Show the character respect and give him a well thought-out, well-written story arc.

5. Wayne, Bruce Wayne. By this I mean that there is no reason why Batman can't just be an ongoing series like James Bond. The supporting cast and villains are so abundant that you could make many, many movies all within the same loose continuity. In this aspect, I believe that Schumacher and WB did something right in their subpar movies. A change of Batman actor or director does not mean the end of the series. In fact, there should be no end of the series, just the end for whatever movie that filmmaker chooses to tell. Marvel claims they are going to do this with Iron Man, and while I do feel like this approach COULD work for him, it suits Batman (and Spider-Man, IMO) so much better.

That's my rant. Again, this is all just my opinion. And I did my best to not spoil anything about TDKR or express any of the few beefs I had with that film.
 
I agree with Donnie Darko about the fantasy elements. Since it's probably not a good Idea to try to put another director in the same types of movies Nolan made, going the opposite route in some respects might be for the best. Moving in a more fantasy friendly direction while still maintaining it relatively somber and not insisting on Nolan canon is the way to go in my opinion.

Since we've in the last 20 years have had 2 Harvey Dents, Two Catwomans, Two Banes and Two Jokers, I would nix all of those characters. And most of the other ones that have been in Batfilms.
 
Okay, I actually agree with a lot of what you say. However. . .

*snip*
If you need to see a different version of Batman's origin that you didn't get in Batman Begins (still my favorite Bat movie), go read Batman: Year One.

This is a mindset that the creators *can't* have. If at any point they think "well, the viewer should just check this completely other medium," then they have failed as film makers. If your audience needs to read the book, or grab the comic? Then the movie needs to be rewritten so that is no longer the case. The *only* place you may require the viewer to get necessary information? Is prior movies in the series.

( the only exception I would allow is if the movie is a direct sequel to a TV show, ala Serenity. Note that doing a direct sequel to a TV show via movie is, generally speaking, not something that will make money. . . )

*snip a lot of stuff I largely agree with*

5. Wayne, Bruce Wayne. By this I mean that there is no reason why Batman can't just be an ongoing series like James Bond. The supporting cast and villains are so abundant that you could make many, many movies all within the same loose continuity. In this aspect, I believe that Schumacher and WB did something right in their subpar movies. A change of Batman actor or director does not mean the end of the series. In fact, there should be no end of the series, just the end for whatever movie that filmmaker chooses to tell. Marvel claims they are going to do this with Iron Man, and while I do feel like this approach COULD work for him, it suits Batman (and Spider-Man, IMO) so much better.

People suggest this a lot, but here's the elephant in the living room: James Bond is unique. No one else has ever really even *tried* for continuous loose continuity on the scale James Bond has done. So there really is little evidence that [insert project here] can "just" follow the James Bond model, because N=1. It might be a generally applicable model, or it might be a congruence of circumstances that boil down to luck.
 
1. I see what you are saying about that. However, I feel that, unless this reboot happens WAY down the line, people just won't want to see a Batman origin film again. I honestly think that is one of the big things that is keeping ASM from being as big as Avengers or DKR. A lot of people just didn't want to see another movie telling how Spider-Man was bitten by a spider and got his powers. I know people who were hoping for the movie to FAIL just because they were so upset with the lack of "originality" for the new film.

2. I also see what you are saying here. I guess we will just never know unless they give it a shot.
 
The Court of Owls would be a good way to kick things off.

Not only do you get a good mysterious and spooky story, with the revelation of a new villain being Bruce Wayne's brother, but also a majority of the villains are undead and mutated freaks! Great fantasy and twists there.
 
I know that story will never make it to the big screen, but they could at least throw us a bone with an animated version.
 

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