After Nolan's BATMAN trilogy... - Part 1

[Rick Deckard]

why is that such a bad thing? they can make money on 3-d and batman hasnt had a 3-d movie yet.it doesnt have to be corny like batman and robin it can be a good dark 3-d flick with a redone mr.freeze or clayface

I just hate 3D. I absolutely loathe it. It's too dark, it gives me a headache, and, most of the time, it's absolutely pointless.

 

[cryptic name]

There is no way they will do a Batman Beyond film. Its way too niche.

No it's not. It's an action movie set in a high tech future. It's a fairly simple and popular concept, just with Batman in it.

But if not that:

Start a new series with an already established Batman in his 3rd year or so. Black Mask is the villain, working as a dark mirror of Batman; a playboy billionaire with a dark double identity. He also represents the coming together of the "freaks" and mobsters of Gotham. Waylon "Killer Croc" Jones is hired muscle who makes even the toughest crooks terrified of crossing Black Mask. I'm thinking you could do a cool story where Black Mask starts a massive campaign to bring down the Batman to consolidate his criminal empire. He brings in professionals to get the job done; the likes of Deadshot, Mr. Freeze (who works as a specialized hit man to pay for his wife's treatments), and a face from Bruce's past, David Caine. You could hint at origin stuff but not have to do an origin story. Lots of opportunities for great martial arts action, and of course a sewer fight with Croc.

In the sequel: Pop psychiatrist Hugo Strange has been making rounds on popular Gotham talk shows and news outlets speaking with authority of the Batman issue. This plays into Bruce's through story in the movie, wondering whether he's actually made a difference in Gotham or if he's just indulging his own need for vengeance. We learn that Strange is actually darkly obsessed with Batman, and hides deep sexual and power issues that feed his obsessive psychosis. Bruce's desire to effect lasting change is met with the entrance of newly orphaned Dick Grayson into his life. Bruce has petitioned to house Dick as his Ward as he knows Dick is sought after as a witness by the men who caused his parents deaths. Bruce recognizes his own darkness and rage in Dick, and after discovering the 15-year-old out at night, trying to solve his parents murder, decides to help channel and focus the boy's power and anger into something positive. He becomes Robin (based on the Erol Flynn Robin Hood movie he loved watching with his father) a messenger and bag man for The Batman. Strange's obsessions reaches a fever pitch, leading him to cause a massive break out at Arkham Asylum. The action climax of the movie is a wounded Batman battling a small rogues gallery within the asylum walls (with help from Robin on the outside) and ultimately confronting Hugo Strange. At the end, Bruce officially adopts Dick Grayson.

Movie 3 is tough. My instinct would be to go Harley Quinn freeing the Joker from Arkham. But maybe that's too simple. I also want to use Clayface as sort of a spy/saboteur. Not sure what the story would be exactly, but the end would see Dick becoming Nightwing.

 

[metaphysician]

You can certainly sell the GA on a cyberpunk action movie. However, just because you can do that, doesn't mean you can do the same for a cyberpunk *Batman* action movie, that does not star Batman ( Bruce Wayne ). The GA has a fairly decent idea of what Batman is, and "random kid in cyberpunk future running around in powered armor" is not it. Hell, TDKR is the first time the GA has even been exposed to the idea of Batman *not* being Bruce Wayne.

Basically, unless the movie was *epically* well done, the GA would put it down as some kind of weird, distorted "in name only" Batman movie.

 

[DaveMoral]

You can certainly sell the GA on a cyberpunk action movie. However, just because you can do that, doesn't mean you can do the same for a cyberpunk *Batman* action movie, that does not star Batman ( Bruce Wayne ). The GA has a fairly decent idea of what Batman is, and "random kid in cyberpunk future running around in powered armor" is not it. Hell, TDKR is the first time the GA has even been exposed to the idea of Batman *not* being Bruce Wayne.

Basically, unless the movie was *epically* well done, the GA would put it down as some kind of weird, distorted "in name only" Batman movie.

Batman Beyond, at this point, would do for Batman on film the exact same thing that B&R did.

You would have to have build up to it, instead of just doing it. The only way you can do anything remotely like Beyond right now is to have JGL reprise his Robin John Blake role and put on a re-invented Batsuit... and I don't think they are going there.

DC is going to want to mine Batman for his rogues gallery now. What has happened is that Nolan has laid a foundation that they can build off of and put more of the fantastical Batman elements in. Between Nolan and the Arkham games you have a pretty concrete blueprint for what a much more fully realized comic accurate Batman can be on screen. They can do that and they can meld it with MOS and possibly GL and come up with a Justice League film that builds on the strengths of that story. I.E. the coming together of truly diverse and ridiculously powered superheroes and one unpowered hero who can stand with titans by the sheer force of his will, intellect, commitment and grit.

They aren't going to want to go "hey, let's really go all Blade Runner on this thing and do Batman Beyond and have an elderly Bruce Wayne teach his clone how to be Batman in a high tech Iron Bat Man suit." I love Batman Beyond, but it only works as an extension of BTAS and the rest of the DCAU.

 

[Rowsdower!]

This is probably BS since it's cosmicbooknews, but interesting if remotely true:

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/co...ly-connect-justice-league-movie-and-man-steel

 

[cryptic name]

You can certainly sell the GA on a cyberpunk action movie. However, just because you can do that, doesn't mean you can do the same for a cyberpunk *Batman* action movie, that does not star Batman ( Bruce Wayne ). The GA has a fairly decent idea of what Batman is, and "random kid in cyberpunk future running around in powered armor" is not it. Hell, TDKR is the first time the GA has even been exposed to the idea of Batman *not* being Bruce Wayne.

Basically, unless the movie was *epically* well done, the GA would put it down as some kind of weird, distorted "in name only" Batman movie.

I certainly agree that the risk of it being terrible is extremely high. But I guess I'm looking at as an opportunity to do something new and different.

 

[Travesty]

This is probably BS since it's cosmicbooknews, but interesting if remotely true:

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/co...ly-connect-justice-league-movie-and-man-steel

That's a pretty cool rumor.

 

[tekken]

Made this just for fun - it's not exactly what I'd want in the next franchise, it was just an idea (Batman: The Brave and the Bold by way of The Dark Knight Trilogy). I just wanted to see how it would look, . I think the blue is a little much for live action, but I decided to take a risk! I tried to imagine the kind of Batman movie I wanted to see when I was just a wee little lad. Now that we have a Batman trilogy for adults, I think the kids deserve their Batman to be put on screen - not Schumacher style mind you, but in a similar tone to Avengers or something.

Obviously, this looks way too much like Nolan's Batman with minor changes, but I think it gets the tone across. Yes? No? Should we keep the cinematic Batman always deep and dark? Fine by me!! >

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I honestly want a more comic book-y Batman film...

The flavour of Burton's films but with more comic accuracy, etc.

I'll miss Nolan like hell. But hey...

 

[Changeling]

This is probably BS since it's cosmicbooknews, but interesting if remotely true:

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/co...ly-connect-justice-league-movie-and-man-steel

That's not BS. The website it links to "The Hollywood Reporter" is very reputable and always gets scoops for Warner Bros movies

Check it out
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/summer-movie-franchise-avengers-snow-white-magic-mike-356583

Warners will try to resuscitate Batman as a stand-alone franchise and/or as part of a planned Justice League ensemble that could connect to next summer's Man of Steel.

Great news imo.

 

[TheWatcher]

I love it!

And cryptic, your ideas are fantastic.

 

[cryptic name]

I love it!

And cryptic, your ideas are fantastic.

Thanks! I might sketch out a quick outline for the first two. Still not sure about the third, feels like it should be bigger than just another Batman v Joker story.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Made this just for fun - it's not exactly what I'd want in the next franchise, it was just an idea (Batman: The Brave and the Bold by way of The Dark Knight Trilogy). I just wanted to see how it would look, . I think the blue is a little much for live action, but I decided to take a risk! I tried to imagine the kind of Batman movie I wanted to see when I was just a wee little lad. Now that we have a Batman trilogy for adults, I think the kids deserve their Batman to be put on screen - not Schumacher style mind you, but in a similar tone to Avengers or something.

Obviously, this looks way too much like Nolan's Batman with minor changes, but I think it gets the tone across. Yes? No? Should we keep the cinematic Batman always deep and dark? Fine by me!! >

This is actually a really awesome manip. I think they should take a risk and go with the blue and gray or the black and gray for the reboot, along with shorter ears and white lenses. It would clearly establish that it is a new continuity. The argument against the comic book suit is that it isn't dark enough or scary enough in live action, but the problem with that argument is that, by the second or third movie, everyone has pretty much figured out that Batman is just a guy in a suit. And they also know he doesn't kill. So a criminal's worst fear is ultimately, "this guy is going to catch me, beat the crap out of me and deliver me to the cops." Batman can be just as intimidating in a blue and gray suit as a black one in this regard.

 

[The Guard]

Whatever happens, I want to see the idea of a city of freaks. Multiple freaks, not one at a time, or just one, like The Joker...because I just can't count Scarecrow, as watered down as he became.

 

[Changeling]

Yknow we really should see a fully realized Scarecrow in the next series. They missed their chance in The Dark Knight Rises, he coulda easily worn his whole Scarecrow outfit from the comics, I really want to see that on screen.

What about David Yates directing?

 

[cryptic name]

Whatever happens, I want to see the idea of a city of freaks. Multiple freaks, not one at a time, or just one, like The Joker...because I just can't count Scarecrow, as watered down as he became.

I definitely agree about the city of freaks angle and playing up the freaks and mob fighting over control of the city.

Maybe that concept bubbles up and brews over the course of the series and culminates with a massive freak/gang war in the third movie with Batman trapped in the middle.

 

[Project862006]

give darren his adaption we need big al the black mechanic and homeless bruce

 

[TheWatcher]

I prefer a Batman that's about 30-32 years old and 7 years into crimefighting, Robins about 18, on the verge of becoming Nightwing and joining the Teen Titans(which would connect to my Justice League.)

 

[Donnie Darko]

I know it'll never happen, but I would still prefer tv. It would allow for more villains to be used, more character development, and aspects of the Bat mythos that we will probably never get otherwise (such as multiple Robins).

 

[Jordacar]

I know it'll never happen, but I would still prefer tv. It would allow for more villains to be used, more character development, and aspects of the Bat mythos that we will probably never get otherwise (such as multiple Robins).

Agreed.

 

[Donnie Darko]

It would be cool if they would start off with Bruce as an established but still relatively young Batman, and the first season is basically Dick Grayson's intro and development, with the two of them basically co-headlining the show. If the show as a Smallville-like run, after a few years, have Dick become Nightwing and go off on his own, showing back up a few times every season to check in and help out.

Season 1- Batman meets Dick at the very beginning, Dick becomes Robin slowly over the course of season one, with Bruce finally accepting that he is a full on "partner" in the finale.

Season 2- Batman and Robin kicking ass and taking names.

Season 3- Trouble starts, they have more and more disagreements, possibly regarding Dick's future. After defeating the big bad in the finale, Dick takes off to be Nightwing.

Season 4 (or maybe 5)- MAYBE have Jason Todd introduced fairly early in the season, with him becoming Robin midway through. Season finale, though, would be his death.

These are just ideas. I know it'll never happen, but I would be interested in seeing them try.

 

[dmc]

Leave the trilogy and move on to the next incarnation. I agree with the call to see batman as the ultimate detective a la arkham asylum/city. However, i'd also like to see combat similar to the game as well. Yes keep some of the stealth aspects that were used in Nolan's movies but I also want to see batman moving with almost superhuman speed and really beating the crap outta several fools at once.

Also Bruce Wayne could have a few more ladies.

 

[Jordacar]

It would be cool if they would start off with Bruce as an established but still relatively young Batman, and the first season is basically Dick Grayson's intro and development, with the two of them basically co-headlining the show. If the show as a Smallville-like run, after a few years, have Dick become Nightwing and go off on his own, showing back up a few times every season to check in and help out.

Season 1- Batman meets Dick at the very beginning, Dick becomes Robin slowly over the course of season one, with Bruce finally accepting that he is a full on "partner" in the finale.

Season 2- Batman and Robin kicking ass and taking names.

Season 3- Trouble starts, they have more and more disagreements, possibly regarding Dick's future. After defeating the big bad in the finale, Dick takes off to be Nightwing.

Season 4 (or maybe 5)- MAYBE have Jason Todd introduced fairly early in the season, with him becoming Robin midway through. Season finale, though, would be his death.

These are just ideas. I know it'll never happen, but I would be interested in seeing them try.

Cool. I would move Dick to season 2, while the first season follows a relatively young Batman working solo. It would look something like this (and this is with a network TV full-order 22-episode season in mind):

Season 1 - Bruce, Gordon, Harvey Dent, and Selina are the main characters, and all plotlines are centered around them. Batman takes on the mob while various supervillains like Scarecrow, Penguin, and probably Poison Ivy start popping up. Joker would come in at the half way point. The season ends basically like Long Halloween, with Harvey becoming Two-Face and the freaks taking over the criminal underworld.

Season 2 - Two-Face is the new big bad. Dick Grayson (age 15-16) is introduced in episode 2 or 3. Eventually he learns Bruce's secret, and his training begins. He could become Robin at the halfway point or a bit later.

That's really all I have planned for sure. What happens after wouldn't really be clear until the story is established. Along the way we would meet Barbara Gordon, who could do the Oracle thing first before becoming Batgirl, along with various GCPD supporting characters.

The show could have a lot of the feel of TAS but with more attention paid to the overarching story. As far as Dick becoming Nightwing...I'm actually more interested in how he becomes Robin. There's a lot of cool stuff there that I'd like to see updated. Plus, Dick's development would give the show a chance to delve into Bruce's training and draw some cool parallels between the two men.

I could go on for hours. There's tons of stuff a series can do that no movie ever could.

 

[Donnie Darko]

You know what else I would really enjoy? A new "Batman and Robin" animated series. The twist would be that at the end of the first episode, that has Batman and Robin already together, they reveal Batman and Robin as Dick and Damian. The rest of the season would go back and forth between their adventures and a "Return of Bruce Wayne"-type storyline. I just think that would be a fun show.

 

[Squaremaster316]

All live action Batman films should be retired until 2020 at the very earliest.

Also, please do not include Clayface in any of them. I don't care if they want more fantastical villains in the new series, the character is not interesting in the slightest. Like the Sandman in Spiderman 3, he'll probably come off as a total mess.

In fact, throughout the history of motion picture, there's only been one shape-shifting character made out of a malleable material that can imitate organic and inorganic objects that has been any good.