After Nolan's BATMAN trilogy... - Part 1

[Minus Shock]

It almost feels bad just to suggest the idea of a new franchise before 'Rises' is even out. That said, I know it is inevitable, especially with JL getting a writer and likely happening in the near future. I can't deny that I don't think of what I would do with a Batman franchise.

Someone had recommended Jon Hamm for Batman and that is really perfect for me. I have thrown around Patrick Wilson because he reminds me of the best features of Michael Keaton but has a believable physicality. But Jon Ham has that, as well as the swag that I don't think has ever really been captured as Bruce Wayne.

One thing is for sure I want to see more Bruce in the public eye. I like to see that almost transformation. Is this guy who he is in the tux or the battle suit? In the boardroom or on the rooftops? I think that's a really fun dynamic to play off. Additionally I want to see a more detective-esque Bats. I am certain that is a common request.

Who to direct? Well in my mind that is simple. With the success Brad Bird had with Ghost Protocol, moving from animation to Live action seamlessly, also the director of Wall-E moving to live action (albeit not as successfully) Paul Dini seems like the only logical choice. In my opinion that guy did the arguably perfect incarnation of Bats on any screen and he did it for years, not just a few movies or a couple of movies. Between the tone, theme, direction, writing, retconning Freeze, giving us Harley Quinn, Mask of the Phantasm was also pretty excellent, Paul Dini should be given a chance to direct a live action movie, assuming he would be interested..

 

[Minus Shock]

Also why do we have reboot? Why can't they do something in the vein of Hulk? Where each movie can sort of be connected but isn't labeled as a DIRECT sequel? Almost, ironically, in a New 52 kind of way, where we aren't exactly sure how much of Nolan's history is maintained but it also isn't 100% erased and... well rebooted. After the what is stacking up to be a masterpiece, that seems like the way to go to me.

 

[BestGirl]

^That's exactly what I'm hoping for. Much will depend on how long Batman's been retired at the beginning of TDKR, though. If it's made clear that he's been retired ever since the events of TDK then you can't make any movies set between it and TDKR.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I'm going give my reason why I really don't want Batman to be old...

First of all, yes, we've seen Batman young in the form of Bale...but that was CHRISTOPHER NOLAN'S BATMAN...His interpretation is considerably different to the comic Bats. His Bats has slightly different motivations, has a different mindset and has little to virtually no mental issues that comics Bats has. But Nolan's Batman is a brilliant interpretation, don't get me wrong, I do love it.

I do not however, want to see it again and I don't want attempts to be made to copy that interp for the reboot.

I study psychology and I do determine that Batman has what is called, Schizoid Personality Disorder. A disorder that develops during childhood, where the patient has no interest in relationships, has a cold and distant personality to others, and prefers to stay in their little world of fantasy. I didn't get that impression at all from Nolan's Batman, but I understand it and I respect the changes done to the personality in order to avoid it.

Keaton's Batman more or less displayed SPD. He wanted a relationship with Vicki, but then started caring less and then avoiding her calls...His personality can be seen as cold and distant for that reason, right? He went back into his fantasy world...that he concocted from childhood, because that's what he prefers...like real patients with SPD. He only progressed the relationship with Vicki because of outside interference, in the form of Alfred. With Selina? He had overcome it, in a way...but he still retreated back to fantasy (Batman). His idea of what a relationship was with Selina, was only shaped through his time with Vicki. A distorted idea, mind you...

Bale's Bats needed no prodding with his quest for Rachel. He was never cold and distant with her. He never retreated back into his solitary, fantasy world like Keaton...In fact, he was prepared to give it all up for Rachel!

So what has this got to do with me not wanting to start out old?
Well, I want Batman to mature and grow in this reboot. I want to see him start out like Keaton, then mature and overcome his problems at the best of his abilities, forming into a character akin to Bale's...Like the comics. I want to see him start out moody and brooding, not wanting relationships in any form, then by the end he's saved from his time in darkness...not by a woman...but by Robin. The first meaningful relationship he forms, opening the door to others and saving him from a dark, lonely path. It's distorted, but it's a start

If he's too old and established, I don't think issues like that can be addressed, and it's something we haven't really seen before.

That's my reason...sorry if I made you fall asleep, but I think I needed to explain it, cause I have ratting on for little reason why Batman shouldn't really be old.

 

[Young Superman]

Also why do we have reboot? Why can't they do something in the vein of Hulk? Where each movie can sort of be connected but isn't labeled as a DIRECT sequel? Almost, ironically, in a New 52 kind of way, where we aren't exactly sure how much of Nolan's history is maintained but it also isn't 100% erased and... well rebooted. After the what is stacking up to be a masterpiece, that seems like the way to go to me.

This is a great idea.

 

[dnno1]

You know what? They really need to do a series of Batman films based on the Arkham VG franchise. I think that the use of many of his famous villains as well as the action/fighting scenes modeled off the game would be fantastic. We could even find out if the Joker actually go Harley pregnant or not.

 

[Death2Fanboys]

On topic I'd like to see Brad Bird team up with Dini/Timm and see what they come up with.

So much potential with those guys coming together to do Batman.

I second that...

 

[CinematicESP]

If it were up to me, the next series would focus on the Batman family. We've seen Bruce's origin. Let's see him as an older, established hero with a regular rogue gallery. I would give the main character arc to Dick Grayson, casting young-ish and letting him grow into the role. My series would go roughly like this...

The theme of the first film would be Batman as a cult icon in the public eye, sort of an extension of the copycat thing in TDK. On one hand, you have a young Dick Grayson who idolizes Batman. On the other, Hugo Strange, an Arkham psychiatrist obsessed with becoming/replacing Batman. He visits all of Batman's enemies in Arkham to learn more about him. (This would include the Joker in a sort of Hannibal Lecter role. I might even have Harley Quinn start out as Strange's assistant who falls in love with the Joker and breaks him out at the end of the film, setting them up as villains for a future film). The plot would involve Strange dressing up as Batman and the real Batman and Robin having to stop him. (Imagine how cool a Batman vs. Batman scene could be.)

The second film could introduce Batgirl, and Dick could give up the Robin mantle at the end. Then in the third, he could return as Nightwing with a new Robin.

I'd push the series further in the "detective" direction, having the main villains be those that can challenge Batman on more of an intellectual level, but other villains could be peppered in the background (Black Mask and Penguin as minor antagonists, the equivalent of Falcone or Maroni in Nolan's films. Guys like Killer Croc or Deadshot in hired gun roles.)

 

[Rodrigo90]

For the film, I would actually tweak Robin's history to fit in with the Court Of Owls. Say Dick Grayson was taken by them after they murder his parents (since they kidnap children from the circus in the comic) and train him to be like them. Batman ends up rescuing the kid, who ends up being renamed Robin.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Also why do we have reboot? Why can't they do something in the vein of Hulk? Where each movie can sort of be connected but isn't labeled as a DIRECT sequel? Almost, ironically, in a New 52 kind of way, where we aren't exactly sure how much of Nolan's history is maintained but it also isn't 100% erased and... well rebooted. After the what is stacking up to be a masterpiece, that seems like the way to go to me.

I'd prefer it that way. a reboot would be boring............

 

[Willi Berg]

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/07/09/christopher-nolan-justice-league/

Christopher Nolan says no to 'Justice League' film

by Associated Press

Now that Christopher Nolan is done with his epic Batman trilogy, the filmmaker has quashed speculation that he might be involved in aJustice League movie featuring the Dark Knight.

Writer-director Nolan said his take on Batman wraps up with The Dark Knight Rises, his third and final film centered on the DC Comics superhero. In an interview over the weekend to promote the finale, Nolan said he has noJustice League plans.

“No, none at all,” Nolan said. “We’re finished with all we’re doing with Batman. This is the end of our take on this character.”

Fans have conjectured that Nolan might return to Batman by producing a big-screen take onJustice League, DC Comics’ Avengers-style ensemble whose key superheroes include the Dark Knight, Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern.

Nolan guesses that the Justice League rumors started because of his involvement as a producer on next summer’s Superman relaunch, Man of Steel.

He also said he does not intend to get involved with any future solo Batman films when distributor Warner Bros., which owns DC Comics, decides the time is right to launch a new take on the masked vigilante.

“Batman will outlive us all, and our interpretation was ours. Obviously, we consider it definitive and kind of finished. The great thing about Batman is he lives on for future generations to reinterpret, and obviously, Warners will have to decide in the future what they’re going to do with him,” Nolan said. “We’ve had our say on the character. …

“I’ve got no plans to do anything more, and certainly, no involvement with any Justice League project.”

After Disney’s success with The Avengers, the big-screen round-up of Marvel Comics superheroes that has pulled in $1.45 billion worldwide, speculation has grown that Warner Bros. would get its own ensemble flick on the drawing board.

 

[Rockstar]

This doesn't sound like good news.

Nolan splits, yet only a few weeks ago Variety announced Nolan would assist with all of DC's upcoming features.

Looks like things didn't work out.

Something fell through in the negotiations.

 

[metaphysician]

My guess is, Nolan decided he has enough cred to tell the WB big wigs to shove it if they started getting pushy.

 

[Crazy Flakes]

I really do think that if there's a JLA movie they'll reboot the Batman franchise first. Even if Nolan was willing to be a part of the movie it would be pretty ridiculous to see his gritty, realistic take on Batman alongside characters like Superman and Wonder Woman who are rooted in supernatural or divine elements.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Oh well. If Nolan feels that way, then that's fine. All we can do is thank him for pulling Batman out the ****** trenches and entertaining us for the past 7 years.

 

[Travesty]

It's not like he was going to be directing the new ones anyways, so I really don't care, either way.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I look forward to a new continuity and inspired, imaginative style.

We'll always have the Nolan trilogy to look back on for the ultimate realistic take on Batman.

 

[Rodrigo90]

It's not like he was going to be directing the new ones anyways, so I really don't care, either way.

I thought he would have produced or had something to do with the story.

But at least there is the opportunity for something completely 100% different.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think the next relaunch should focus on the gothic angle. If Nolan's was the more crime drama Bats, then the next would should use the more noir angle and interpretations of the villains.

That way we can see new villains introduced but hold on to a common theme through a new trilogy.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I doubt things will be too over the top...but since Nolan is no longer involved, I sense the realism angle being lowered drastically.

But apparently Batman and MOS will be connected to a JL movie, so I think we should look at that to give us a taste of what to expect. Cause it be out of place to see a stylised and gothic world of Batman be shifted to a more realistic looking Superman one. Saying that though, I don't even think MOS will look anything like Nolan's (since he is producer) world as I first imagined, since Zack Synder is the director.

They'll probably get someone like Aronofsky or Del Toro onboard, to make it look more fantastical and match it with Synder's look...or they might not


I just know now when I write scripts for Batman in my spare time I dont have try and match to what Nolan would expect for a reboot

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I doubt things will be too over the top...but since Nolan is no longer involved, I sense the realism angle being lowered drastically.

But apparently Batman and MOS will be connected to a JL movie, so I think we should look at that to give us a taste of what to expect. Cause it be out of place to see a stylised and gothic world of Batman be shifted to a more realistic looking Superman one. Saying that though, I don't even think MOS will look anything like Nolan's (since he is producer) world as I first imagined, since Zack Synder is the director.

They'll probably get someone like Aronofsky or Del Toro onboard, to make it look more fantastical and match it with Synder's look...or they might not

I don't think you have to go drastic for gothic Bats. Villains like ManBat or Penguin can easily do it. You can still film it in a real location like Chicago.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't know, I think Burton already did plenty of 'gothic' Batman. I think, for tone, they should probably go more pulp than gothic. Not necessarily darker or zannier than the Nolan films, but with the emphasis not on the limits of a man, but on his potential.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I like the thought of that

 

[Travesty]

I just hope it's more aesthetically pleasing, or I should say, closer to the comics. I want a Gotham that feels like a Gotham, not a modern Chicago. I want more fantastical characters to be used, and not in a "how can this work in the real world" type of setting. The last thing I want, is a Nolan/Burton 2.0.

I think getting away from the black rubber suits may help set it apart from the others, and I hope it's an approach the new director takes.

 

[Rodrigo90]

It's pretty sad when you look at Gotham in TDKR trailer and see the MetLife building