After Nolan's BATMAN trilogy... - Part 1

[shauner111]

Not to be rude, but who cares about the kids if the tone for JL is gonna be a little more serious/darker than say..Avengers? Man of Steel might not be as gritty as Nolans Batman but it damn sure is close. And JL will probably use MOS's tone. These aren't movies that have children in mind first unlike Thor or Spider-Man or Captain America, etc that give you the trailers/tv spots filled with the jokes and nothing but the action-shots. This could appeal to kids under 14 in ways, but it wont be the primary focus.

I dont recall a massive audience of kids for stuff like V For Vendetta, Watchmen, Batman Begins, Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises. Maybe a tad more for TDK cuz of the Joker hype. But the kids might just be a very small portion of who comes to see this movie. Justice League could end up targeting a more mature audience than Marvels movies. Yes itll be more fun and fantasy-based but i cant see flocks of children pouring in each cinema like how it was with Avengers.

Kids will go see this movie anyway because of Batman and Superman even if they dont know the others as much. But WB shouldnt cater to children in the way Marvel Studios have. They simply dont need to.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

They should stay away from Burton's style.Live action Batman isn't a fairy tale or a cartoon.

I hope reboot would be still realistic enough but in a world fantastic things can happen. Like many horror/fantasy movies. Those things can exist but a poodle can't catch Batman's batarang like Burton's Batman movies.

 

[Midnight Black]

I want my JL movie.

 

[DerTommissar]

Batman Reboot.

Preferred director list:

1- James Cameron
2- Brad Bird
3- Matthew Vaughn
4- David Fincher
5- Joss Whedon
6- Michael Mann

Where am I right?
Where am I wrong?

 

[Naked Shia]

you're wrong on every single step.

 

[DerTommissar]

you're wrong on every single step.

Ouch! t:

So who do you want to reboot this thing?

 

[shauner111]

Batman Reboot.

Preferred director list:

1- James Cameron
2- Brad Bird
3- Matthew Vaughn
4- David Fincher
5- Joss Whedon
6- Michael Mann

Where am I right?
Where am I wrong?

They're all wrong.

Alfonso Cuaron
Guillermo Del Toro
Darren Aronofsky
Nicolas Winding Refn
Wachowskis
Ruben Fleischer
Ben Affleck
Duncan Jones

These are the directors that i would hope get on the shortlist. Some of them are probably being considered for JL, but these are the 8 that i think deserve a chance at least.

 

[Shikamaru]

Ouch! t:

So who do you want to reboot this thing?

Don't know but I know he has to be a very hands-on director like Nolan and Zack Snyder are for The Dark Knight trilogy and Man of Steel respectively.


I know who I want to write it though. Scott Snyder

Would be nice if Warner Bros learns from Marvel Studios by hiring comic book writers to write the script since they understand the characters the most.

 

[Jordacar]

What, Marvel gets comic writers to write their movies?

 

[metaphysician]

I don't see any reason Brad Bird couldn't do a good Batman film. It won't happen, but if it did, I'd watch it.

 

[cryptic name]

Batman Reboot.

Preferred director list:

1- James Cameron
2- Brad Bird
3- Matthew Vaughn
4- David Fincher
5- Joss Whedon
6- Michael Mann

Where am I right?
Where am I wrong?

Keep James Cameron far away from this. Or anything but his Smurf movies. David Fincher is a little on the nose, not sure if he'd be interested, but I'd definitely love to see what he did.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I don't get the hate for James Cameron from some people. I don;t think he is the ideal fit for Batman, but his movies always deliver. Even if you say Titanic or Avatar was his WORST movie, those are pretty great "worst" movies to have.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I enjoy Cameron's movies. But I dread to think if he got hold of Batman...Look at his ideas for Spider-Man.

 

[Naked Shia]

Ouch! t:

So who do you want to reboot this thing?

I was joking . I don't know, all I know is that I want a great story, some great fight scenes, and a less realistic take.

 

[BH/HHH]

James Cameron oddly is someone I think would make a great superhero film aslong as he didn't have creative control but I think he'd be better suited to something like Justice League than a solo Batman film.

 

[Rodrigo90]

James Cameron oddly is someone I think would make a great superhero film aslong as he didn't have creative control but I think he'd be better suited to something like Justice League than a solo Batman film.

Yes. The man is a great visionary and I have total respect for him. But he's his own storyteller, so he'll take something and twist it for his sake of storytelling. I enjoy his films, favourite being Titanic actually, or True Lies

But if he went into any SH franchise, I can't begin to imagine what he would do to it.

 

[Shikamaru]

You don't have to imagine. We sadly already know . Check out his ideas for the Spider-Man movie he was going to make. Electro and Sandman were completely different from the comics (not in a good way and their names & backgrounds were completely different too) and there would have been a sex scene between Peter and MJ.

 

[Shikamaru]

What, Marvel gets comic writers to write their movies?

I believe they do. Not sure if it happened for all of their movies or for just one of their movies but I'm pretty sure I've heard of comic book writers writing at least one of the movies in the MCU. I'll do more research on that.

 

[Destructus86]

I have an idea...it's just crazy enough to work....we make a Batman movie like the comics.

 

[shauner111]

I'm sure the reboot will be the closest to the comics/the animated series and what we see in the recent video games. It's pretty much the only way to go if they want to keep doing different things with the franchise (like not biting Nolans, Burtons or Shumachers styles). Burtons Batman was literally just that, Batman thrown into the world of Beetlejuice/Edward Scissorhands/Nightmare Before Christmas. Shumacher was Adam Wests Batman turned into a modern action-adventure. Nolans was hyper-reality, a real world Batman. Now it's time for not only a shared universe but a Batman that feels like a perfect translation of those other mediums. Dark, fantastical, serious but fun & accurate to how they're drawn/written in the comics.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I have an idea...it's just crazy enough to work....we make a Batman movie like the comics.

They have. Like 7 times.

 

[Shikamaru]

To be fair, Nolan's Batman films (with the exception of TDKR, which I dislike for reasons I won't get into here) are like the comics but just not the comics we are thinking of aka the standard Batman stories. They're based on the graphic novels that take place in Batman's early years like Year One and The Long Halloween. Yes, they're more grounded in reality but that is because Batman's early stories were very grounded in reality too (specifically Year One and The Long Halloween) so it makes sense adaptation-wise. Year One was even more grounded than Batman Begins. So it is a bit unfair to say they're not like the comics by comparing them to the average Batman story today when they're like the comics they were influenced by.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Dark Knight Rises is very much like the comics. Dark Knight Returns, Knightfall, and No Man's Land in particular.

A great collection of similarities:
http://www.batman-online.com/features/2012/7/29/comic-influences-on-the-dark-knight-rises

 

[DerTommissar]

They're all wrong.

Alfonso Cuaron
Guillermo Del Toro
Darren Aronofsky
Nicolas Winding Refn
Wachowskis
Ruben Fleischer
Ben Affleck
Duncan Jones

These are the directors that i would hope get on the shortlist. Some of them are probably being considered for JL, but these are the 8 that i think deserve a chance at least.

Hmmm…

Not sure I agree. No offense intended, Shauner, but here are my thoughts:

Cuaron is a true talent but his work feels too exotic for Batman.

And Del Toro is too whimsical.

Aronofsky too self-consciously arty.

Still haven’t seen a Wachowski movie I like.

Refn, Fleischer, and Jones: Don’t know their work well enough to comment but I do like what I hear. DRIVE and SOURCE CODE are on my “to do” list---I hear they are both strong.

Affleck is revealing himself as a true talent…early reaction to ARGO suggests a thrilling Oscar contender. Not a bad idea for Batman.

It is fun to read other peoples’ “director wish list”. Will be interesting to see whom WB ultimately ordains. (Bracing for a let down).

WB seems to be playing catch-up with Marvel. And playing catch-up is a weak stance for any creative endeavor. This is a big reason Green Lantern fell flat: WB wanted to make their “Iron Man”, versus of taking a deep look into what is inherently interesting and unique about Hal Jordan and the Corps---and allowing those voices to snowball into a specific and fresh story.

I would be curious to see Cameron do Batman because his movies are powerfully constructed and he carefully observes, and sticks to, his themes. Not many blockbuster directors do that anymore.

Brad Bird is a wizard. I would love to see him have a shot at Batman.

Matthew Vaughn has proven twice he knows how to tell an electrifying superhero story. His ideas are bold and ballsy. He delivers in a refreshingly clear and matter-of-fact style. He is high on my list.

Fincher might make a film akin to a more fastidiously tailored Nolan Batman. Possibly even more foreboding in it’s expression of villainy. Could be awesome if you don’t mind something, again, in the spirit of Nolan’s implied realism, (which many of us thoroughly enjoy).

There is a precious tone to Whedon’s work I can find grating. But Avengers was great. He made some fantastic choices and is a nimble storyteller.

Michael Mann would probably have no interest. But I wonder what the brain behind HEAT would do with Batman nonetheless. I would no doubt be in line to see it.

Well, those are some more thoughts. Applaud or condemn at will.

 

[Shikamaru]

In terms of story, TDKR is the most like-the-comics Batman movie to date (not counting the animated movies). In terms of character portrayals and messages/ideas, TDKR fails and is the worst Batman movie since Batman & Robin (counting the animated movies).

It is nowhere as bad as Batman & Robin though. Please don't get the idea I think it's just as bad because I said it's the worst Batman movie SINCE Batman & Robin. I know there would have been at least one person who would have thought that if I wouldn't have addressed it now.