Agent Carter Agent Carter - S01E01 "Now Is Not The End"

[Chance Jackson]

Seems like Vanko should have had an accent wouldn't ya think? I thought that was weird.

he had an accent it just wasn't as thick as whiplash's

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Can someone explain to me how the one bad guy at Roxxon was blinded by Peggy...then Peggy ended up having to escape in a waiting car and JUST BARELY avoided being killed in the blast...yet, somehow the blinded guy in the hallway managed to get out, even though he couldn't see and wasn't even aware that a bomb was about to go off?

It appears that he lived just because they wanted Peggy to catch him.

That is a pretty glaring screw up now that you mention it.

But overall I thought it was a great show. Really looking forward to the rest of the show but can't wait till AoS comes back on!

 

[kedrell]

It's not a huge screw up. We don't know how long he was blinded for(clearly it was only temporary) and he just might have got out of dodge sooner than Peggy did. It's suspect certainly but still not in the realm of a clearly impossible contradiction to what had already been established.

 

[Heretic]

It's not a huge screw up. We don't know how long he was blinded for(clearly it was only temporary) and he just might have got out of dodge sooner than Peggy did. It's suspect certainly but still not in the realm of a clearly impossible contradiction to what had already been established.

Why did he get out of dodge? He was unaware that an explosive had been ignited. It's kind of absurd to suggest that he recovered from his blindness, rightly assumed that a bomb had been ignited, and then was able to get to safety faster than Peggy Carter in a full sprint and then speeding car.

 

[kedrell]

He also may have had access to his own car. I agree it's not altogether solid when you look at all the angles but that doesn't equal it being impossible. Just unlikely.

 

[Heretic]

Just say "it happened because they wanted it to happen." It makes no sense, no one can argue that it does. They wanted Carter to have that scene with the line-up, so the guy lived through the explosion that should have killed him and they knew they couldnt explain it so they didnt bother.

 

[kedrell]

Of course it happened because they wanted it to happen. It makes little sense with the info at hand but that is not the same as it making no sense. And they wanted him around still for more than just that reason.

 

[TheLastAvenger]

Why did he get out of dodge? He was unaware that an explosive had been ignited. It's kind of absurd to suggest that he recovered from his blindness, rightly assumed that a bomb had been ignited, and then was able to get to safety faster than Peggy Carter in a full sprint and then speeding car.

He was also doing something grossly illegal. He had no idea what was happening; I'm sure he assumed Peggy was the authorities. I'd say that's ample motivation to get the hell out of there. It's anything but a glaring plot hole as far as I'm concerned.

 

[kedrell]

Another ever so minor quibble is machine guns and Jarvis driving Howard's car and not getting bullet holes in it. I mean, even if it's bullet proof(which it easily could be but was never established as such) at least give us sound FX of the bullets ricocheting off the car. Those guards seemed to miss the car completely. That strains credulity far more that the factory guy still being alive.

 

[Human Torch]

Seems like Vanko should have had an accent wouldn't ya think? I thought that was weird.

I think he had an accent,but what was it? French? Whatever it was,it didn't sound Russian to me.

 

[enygma]

I think he had an accent,but what was it? French? Whatever it was,it didn't sound Russian to me.

It was a russian accent, he was born and grew up in the USSR but moved to Australia in his youth. He has also played a KGB agent in The Americans.

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ It sounded Pavel Chekov to me. I'm surprised people didn't hear it.

I felt the blatant sexism of the times got a little heavy handed.I mean,they had women in espionage back in those days,did they not? I doubt they would have taken someone with her war record and made her serve coffee rather than exploit her talents to get info by going undercover like she did at the club.

If it helps, they were acting closer to FBI agents so far and the police certainly wouldn't have wanted any women.

 

[Havok83]

Atwell did a great job and she had alot of charisma and screen presence. She would be like the main reason to keep watching. I tried however, but couldnt get into this last night. I can appreciate that it knows what it wants to be and is doing its own thing but I found it a bit boring.

 

[Loki882]

^ It sounded Pavel Chekov to me. I'm surprised people didn't hear it.



If it helps, they were acting closer to FBI agents so far and the police certainly wouldn't have wanted any women.

True. And they implied that her co-workers, or at least some of them, seemed to think that she only got her position during the war because she was sleeping with Captain America. Her boss had that obvious "you were his liaison" line, which obviously had a double-meaning.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I somehow missed Vanko. I don't know if it was when the dog was attacking my defenseless feet or if my mind just wandered.

 

[<(o_o)>]

True. And they implied that her co-workers, or at least some of them, seemed to think that she only got her position during the war because she was sleeping with Captain America. Her boss had that obvious "you were his liaison" line, which obviously had a double-meaning.

They didn't even have time to dance in the first Cap movie let alone time to score with each other unless the scoring happened off camera.

 

[Silvermoon]

Wonder where the one-shot falls in the time line now.

There was a quick shot of the one shot at the beginning

They showed clips of the One Shot as Peggy was thinking about old stuff, right? I mean...if the events are in her memory, then they have already happened.

From what I recall, there was really only 1 real shot from the one-shot (that lasted maybe 1 second, if even that) and was just a shot of her kicking the guy through the window. I'm pretty certain the bulk of the one-shot (if not all of it) takes place after the series. Now, if that shot had instead been a shot of her picking up the Zodiac vial from the end of the one-shot, then I would agree that they were either disregarding most of the one-shot as canon (since it ended with Stark - in a position of power - starting to reformat the SSR into SHIELD), but I think with such a minor and insignificant/blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot being used I don't think it causes too much of an issue right now (just my opinion though).

All in all, I loved the episode(s) (should we combine the EP 2 with this thread since the eps aired together?). I need to do a rewatch to make sure I caught everything. But I really did like it. I liked the opening bit with Howard and that they really kind of mirrored stuff we've seen with Tony (particularly that congressional hearing) to tie the similarities between father and son together.

Regarding the symbol drawn in the dirt (and considering the guy was dying), could it have maybe been the symbol for Capricorn? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Table_of_dates (was looking to see what symbols would have a 'V' to it like the top of a heart does as well as a curved line through it, to me that seems the closest - just a thought though)

Looking forward to the remaining episodes

 

[Heretic]

She picked up the zodiac vial mere minutes after fighting those guys with the briefcase. She fought them because they were standing between her and the vial in that building. This isn't a case of "well, maybe the fight happened, then the mini-series happened, then she went back for the vial."

The scenarios are basically...
1. The One Shot happened, meaning that this entire series was poorly thought out and it should be taking place after that event.
2. The One Shot didn't happen yet. Which means that she can't remember it because she hasn't done it, therefore they made an idiotic continuity error.
3. The One Shot has been erased from existence completely. In that case, why does she remember it? Adding in clips of the fight scene from an event that has never and will never happen was incredibly foolish in a Cinematic universe where we have been trained to thing that everything is connected and "counts."

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Regarding the symbol drawn in the dirt (and considering the guy was dying), could it have maybe been the symbol for Capricorn? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Table_of_dates (was looking to see what symbols would have a 'V' to it like the top of a heart does as well as a curved line through it, to me that seems the closest - just a thought though)

For what it's worth, when I first saw the trach scar on the guy I thought it might be the symbol for Taurus or Aries.

The scenarios are basically...
1. The One Shot happened, meaning that this entire series was poorly thought out and it should be taking place after that event.
2. The One Shot didn't happen yet. Which means that she can't remember it because she hasn't done it, therefore they made an idiotic continuity error.
3. The One Shot has been erased from existence completely. In that case, why does she remember it? Adding in clips of the fight scene from an event that has never and will never happen was incredibly foolish in a Cinematic universe where we have been trained to thing that everything is connected and "counts."

4. You're overreacting. Especially on that last one, hoo boy. It was literally a two second shot, IF that long.

 

[Loki882]

They didn't even have time to dance in the first Cap movie let alone time to score with each other unless the scoring happened off camera.

I didn't say that they actually did. I said that her co-workers seem to think that they did. Her boss's condescending comment about her being Cap's "liaison" made that very obvious.

 

[kane9321]

hOLY HELL THAT WAS AWESOME

THAT DRESS

Vanko, SHE HILK REFERENCE and Erskine
YESSSSS

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I didn't say that they actually did. I said that her co-workers seem to think that they did. Her boss's condescending comment about her being Cap's "liaison" made that very obvious.

Yeah it was pretty clearly a dismissive "Cap's girlfriend" comment. Wouldn't matter to her jerkstore colleagues if they had fondue'ed or not, they'd just assume it.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Wait, I totally missed Vanko. Which character was he?

 

[Steyin]

Yeah where the hell was Vanko? Never heard his name.

This was much better than I expected it to be. Good balance of action, humor and such.

 

[Heretic]

Okay...so we can now take 2 second shots from the Marvel Cinematic Universe and say they didn't happen? Great...Loki is actually dead and is not pretending to be Odin. I mean...it was so brief...who cares?

And "yeah Marvel did it, then told us that it never happened while using footage from it as a memory...and thats okay because their established continuity doesn't matter" is a weak cover for their stupidity here. Continuity DOES matter to some of us.

She remembers the fight for the zodiac vial that happened on her last day with SSR. Marvel established that in episode 1. It is SILLY to defend that decision. I am actually shocked that people are defending it. It was STUPID of Marvel to do that. It's okay to admit that Marvel made a stupid decision.