Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 3x08 - "Many Heads, One Tale" - Discussion Thread

[Rocinante]

Didn't they mention that Giyera will be a good guy?

That's what I thought too. Guess they really meant head of ATCU Security.

 

[Uskok]

Are they lining up Ward turning on Malick to save the earth???

Could we actually see Ward back on the team for a bit???

Malick is clearly nuts and why would Ward or anyone want to usher in some alien rule on the planet? Ward is always looking out for Ward. So, he will play along and then use whoever he can to takeout Malick.

I agree, at least partially. I can't see Ward working under someone else anymore. He's too much of a leader now. Ward will turn against Malick, but to take control over the ATCU's Inhuman Army, not to save the world.

It seemed like Red Skull was trying to take over the world for himself. Pierce and to an extent Zola thought they were saving the world by taking it over. And now all of that was for some Inhuman overlord?

It seems to me not all of HYDRA's members know the legend of HYDRA's origins, only the top leaders. Maybe the Red Skull didn't even believe in it.

 

[Marvolo]

So the thing on the alien planet that was causing the sandstorms and appeared to Simmons as that undead astronaut is the Inhuman that was exiled, right?

 

[chamber-music]

Nothing rings a bell as far as an inhuman of tremendous power being exiled.. But it could be something else in the comics and they're making it into an inhuman just for the show

Could be Phaeder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaeder

Phaeder was banished attempting to for clone Inhumans to increase their population numbers.

There are many exiled Inhumans. Banishing people from Attilan is the Inhumans punishment of choice most the time.

Maximus regular henchmen Timberius, Aireo, Falcona, Leonus and Stallior are Inhuman criminals banished to another dimension for treason by Blackbolt.

So the thing on the alien planet that was causing the sandstorms and appeared to Simmons as that undead astronaut is the Inhuman that was exiled, right?

Seems like it.

 

[Vartha]

Man alittle under 50 minutes until I can watch this

 

[Fogh]

So the thing on the alien planet that was causing the sandstorms and appeared to Simmons as that undead astronaut is the Inhuman that was exiled, right?

I've come to he side that Will is in the Inhuman - as in the Inhuman has taken Will's form and the real Will died a long time ago. The planet is trying to stop them from leaving because that is it's job. Stop the Inhuman from leaving.

 

[Endeavor]

I've come to he side that Will is in the Inhuman - as in the Inhuman has taken Will's form and the real Will died a long time ago. The planet is trying to stop them from leaving because that is it's job. Stop the Inhuman from leaving.

That's a cool possibility.

 

[Vartha]

I've come to he side that Will is in the Inhuman - as in the Inhuman has taken Will's form and the real Will died a long time ago. The planet is trying to stop them from leaving because that is it's job. Stop the Inhuman from leaving.

That's a cool possibility.

STILL have this feeling somehow Man-Wolf/JOHN Jameson are involved in the history of Will being there on that planet

 

[Vartha]

Okay guys I'm out til this afternoon. Also have the New Thor comic to read and flash to watch

 

[Loki882]

-So Rosalind WAS being manipulated, well-played show.
-I love Evil Ward, he's so much fun to watch.
-The HYDRA backstory is interesting, and I believe that they're meant to pre-date WWII in the comics as well (I seem to remember reading that somewhere).
-I just REALLY hope that they avoid the cliché of "Simmon's space-lover turns out to be evil."

 

[SirStrangefolk]

-The HYDRA backstory is interesting, and I believe that they're meant to pre-date WWII in the comics as well (I seem to remember reading that somewhere).

I think that it's implied that, while Red Skull made Hydra as it's known today, it was not a new idea and had precursors as far as centuries earlier that were basically the same organization under a different name. Similar to how the SSR was very much a precursor to SHIELD.

In the comics there was something relating to Imhotep I think that started SHIELD and Hydra before they actually became how they're known today, but I haven't read it, so I'm not sure.

 

[Guard82]

Great episode. There was lots of great intrigue going on here. Coulson and Rosalind were great whenever they shared the screen together, either working together or opposing each other. I knew that Rosalind wasn't Hydra; the show would never have given away something like that in the stinger of last week's episode. They would have saved the revelation for this episode as a surprise if it were true. As I had thought, she didn't realize that Malick was a Hydra leader until now.

The search for the origins of the Monolith by Fitz and Simmons was cool as well. The connections being made between the Inhumans arc and the Hydra arc on Earth to the Monolith/Planet arc in outer space are very intriguing. It's very neat how all three storylines are gradually coming together in this season.

And I loved the scene where Mack was impersonating a service guy over the phone. LOL!

 

[Guard82]

I think that it's implied that, while Red Skull made Hydra as it's known today, it was not a new idea and had precursors as far as centuries earlier that were basically the same organization under a different name. Similar to how the SSR was very much a precursor to SHIELD.

That's right. As you said, the Red Skull made Hydra as it is known today back during World War II. But the totalitarian ideology that drives Hydra is much older than the organization itself. So, as this episode explained, going back centuries in world history, there have always been groups of individuals who have believed in some brand of totalitarian political domination. These groups have gone by different names, and Hydra is simply the most current incarnation of this political/ideological phenomenon.

 

[Guard82]

Powers Boothe did a great job in his villainous role of Gideon Malick. In many ways, his character seems quite similar to the X-Men/New Mutants Marvel villain named Gideon. Both are wealthy villains with terrorist connections who dabble in dangerous genetic experimentation. I'll bet the comic-book Gideon helped to inspire the writers in creating Boothe's character.

 

[Zarex]

-So Rosalind WAS being manipulated, well-played show.
-I love Evil Ward, he's so much fun to watch.
-The HYDRA backstory is interesting, and I believe that they're meant to pre-date WWII in the comics as well (I seem to remember reading that somewhere).
-I just REALLY hope that they avoid the cliché of "Simmon's space-lover turns out to be evil."

I'm not completely sold on Rosalind. The idea that this extremely accomplished government operative was completely taken in by Gideon and swallowed the "No access to these floors because of contamination" story seems like a bit of a stretch. She cooperated with Coulson to get his people out of the ACTU, but she was being held captive at the time and needed to do something to get free. I still think she may be on team Malick.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Ha-ha was that a throwaway Roseanne gag?

You'll always have fingernail lady.

God that was awful. They wasted Angar the Screamer too. He didn't have to have the hippie gimmick but what we got was a letdown.

I'm not completely sold on Rosalind. The idea that this extremely accomplished government operative was completely taken in by Gideon and swallowed the "No access to these floors because of contamination" story seems like a bit of a stretch. She cooperated with Coulson to get his people out of the ACTU, but she was being held captive at the time and needed to do something to get free. I still think she may be on team Malick.

I dunno it seemed pretty authentic to me. She's influential but still has bosses to answer too. Plus they specifically mentioned while she had a lot of previous experience in mundane spywork this was her first superhuman related assignment. Shield would be but one agency Hydra has infiltrated over the decades.

 

[Fogh]

So Rosalind worked for NASA in 2001 when Will was sent to the planet. What does Rosalind know? Could Will be her husband?

 

[Demileto]

Could Will be her husband?

Can't, Will said that he didn't bother to have romantic relationships before getting stuck in the planet.

 

[Endeavor]

Could Will be her husband?

That wouldn't fit with what's already been said about her husband.
She said he died of cancer.

 

[Endeavor]

I'm not completely sold on Rosalind. The idea that this extremely accomplished government operative was completely taken in by Gideon and swallowed the "No access to these floors because of contamination" story seems like a bit of a stretch. She cooperated with Coulson to get his people out of the ACTU, but she was being held captive at the time and needed to do something to get free. I still think she may be on team Malick.

Malick was someone she trusted in and had known for years.
I think the explanation she gave was convincing enough and it does make sense she wouldn't have suspected he'd be Hydra.
It doesn't matter she's a lifelong spy. If Hydra was able to infiltrate SHIELD and actually have most people fooled, why would it be unreasonable for Rosalind to also have been fooled?

 

[Fogh]

Can't, Will said that he didn't bother to have romantic relationships before getting stuck in the planet.

Unless Will is dead and the Inhuman is "posing" as him.

That wouldn't fit with what's already been said about her husband.
She said he died of cancer.

But then she couldn't really say she sent her husband to an alien planet from where he has never returned. Cancer is an answer to which people stop asking questions.

 

[Steve Holt]

I like that they confirmed Powers Booth is playing the same character from the Avengers

 

[summitxho]

I think its still a high probability that Rosalind is a Hydra agent, in the scene where Phil had her in lock down and he was about to walk out, the camera panned to her face, her hesitation and thought process, almost a look of how can I get out of this.... It was not a look of panic in my opinion, but of thought and deceit

If she was not in the know and innocent, why not just stay in the cell and wait to be cleared at that point if she was so confident? Instead she staged an emotional outpouring about how "cold" he is to keep the conversation going until she saw her spot, and then she took it, then played innocent to everything. I dunno, my reasoning is by that time, she knew with the info shield had it was only a manner of time before they discovered Malicks involvement, so the lesser of 2 evils would be to give him up and give her clout as a new Hydra undercover agent able to continue her work, Malick was about to be discovered either way as I am sure some sort of his fingerprints were on the ATCU were they not? What better way to cover her tracks and convince the others than to save 2 agents that she sees Phil is clearly emotionally invested in?

Would this not go along with the whole mentality of survival? sometimes you have to cut off a limb to save the whole?

 

[just one thing]

I think its still a high probability that Rosalind is a Hydra agent, in the scene where Phil had her in lock down and he was about to walk out, the camera panned to her face, her hesitation and thought process, almost a look of how can I get out of this.... It was not a look of panic in my opinion, but of thought and deceit

If she was not in the know and innocent, why not just stay in the cell and wait to be cleared at that point if she was so confident? Instead she staged an emotional outpouring about how "cold" he is to keep the conversation going until she saw her spot, and then she took it, then played innocent to everything. I dunno, my reasoning is by that time, she knew with the info shield had it was only a manner of time before they discovered Malicks involvement, so the lesser of 2 evils would be to give him up and give her clout as a new Hydra undercover agent able to continue her work, Malick was about to be discovered either way as I am sure some sort of his fingerprints were on the ATCU were they not? What better way to cover her tracks and convince the others than to save 2 agents that she sees Phil is clearly emotionally invested in?

Would this not go along with the whole mentality of survival? sometimes you have to cut off a limb to save the whole?

that would mean she outed a superior to protect herself. a secret evil organisation wouldn't last long with that sort of loyalty and obedience.

 

[summitxho]

that would mean she outed a superior to protect herself. a secret evil organisation wouldn't last long with that sort of loyalty and obedience.

How do you know hes superior? Is there not many heads to Hydra? And at that point it was not like she outed him, the cat was practically already out of the bag. I am not going to pretend I am really in the know about this sort of stuff, simply I am not yet convinced she is not Hydra.