Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 10 "The Bridge" Discussion Thread

[mkilban2]

It was haha.

Which is insane because he destroyed that haha.

 

[Zarex]

"Did I beat Captain America's time?"
Awesome, so Cap is strong enough to push a bulldozer.

MCU Cap also punched through a submarine portal, threw multiple Hydra agents into the air and in the new trailer, dove into the ocean at maximum velocity. Pushing a 25 ton piece of construction equipment doesn't seem that far fetched.

 

[regnak]

'Not even close' was what I believe the line was haha.

Excellent thanks!

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

JUST SAW THAT EPISODE! first 10/10 for me. great cliffhanger. is it 2014 yet?

 

[Docker2.0]

JUST SAW THAT EPISODE! first 10/10 for me. great cliffhanger. is it 2014 yet?

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Man this episode was fun....coming from a Castle writer too.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Except for Mike. He dead. Called it as soon as J. August's return was announced.

On a more serious note, these shows (and movies) need to stop it with the Kill the Black Guy trope. It's really ****ing insulting to see that carried on even now. It's also ****ing predictable.

Which is interesting because the episode was written by a Black Woman.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I doubt Mike is dead. He has healing abilities and perhaps the suit provided extra protection as well. Maybe he won't be back in the next episode, but he'll be back.

 

[cherokeesam]

I doubt Mike is dead. He has healing abilities and perhaps the suit provided extra protection as well. Maybe he won't be back in the next episode, but he'll be back.

Plus, there was a scene in the Bridge teaser of Mike, still in his SHIELD supersuit, deflecting a rocket off his fist into an exploding car. That scene did not play out in tonight's episode ---- leaving the very real possibility that it belongs to Part 2 of the episode, and they're just sandbagging.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Plus, there was a scene in the Bridge teaser of Mike, still in his SHIELD supersuit, deflecting a rocket off his fist into an exploding car. That scene did not play out in tonight's episode ---- leaving the very real possibility that it belongs to Part 2 of the episode, and they're just sandbagging.

Ha! Great catch, Sam.

 

[ctsketch]

Plus, there was a scene in the Bridge teaser of Mike, still in his SHIELD supersuit, deflecting a rocket off his fist into an exploding car. That scene did not play out in tonight's episode ---- leaving the very real possibility that it belongs to Part 2 of the episode, and they're just sandbagging.

isn't that Handcock?

 

[ctsketch]

Ha! Great catch, Sam.

that wasn't in any preview...

 

[mkilban2]

Does anyone besides me think Killian may be the Clarvoyant? (Under the assumption that this is pre IM3) or any ideas on who it may be in general?

The whole 'these guys tech is always upgrading and they have deep pockets' lines make me pretty sure were dealing with an AIM branch so if we're post IM3 I guess whoever the head AIM replacement is since like Coulson I'm doubtful of it being an actual psychic.

I'd love for the return of the show to really focus on this Cetepede storyline in more consecutive episodes rather than spacing it out. Then conclude that plot point or at least seemingly conclude it then the back end of the season sees tr resurgence of Graviton.

I'm also game for them adding Mike to the team, I really enjoy the actor playing him and be adds a nice dynamic to the team as well as a seemingly good buddy for Skye, but I'm guessing they'll somehow cure him and he'll rejoin his life with his son rather than abandon everything like Couldon and the others have had to.

I hope we see Coulson contact the cellist in the future too because his conversation with Mike about seeing his son really hit me as Coulson needing to do those things a well.

 

[Xeno]

Which is interesting because the episode was written by a Black Woman.

And? She works in Hollywood, she's part of that system.

 

[Hush]

Fun episode, but man does this episode miss on some beats and it uses all too familiar ones far too much. The whole "He's right behind me" bit was delivered so poorly it was hard to believe we were 10 episodes into a show and the director picked an awful take for that scene too. I'm not trying to be negative but things like this hurt this shows watch ability and overall just makes me facepalm when I should be laughing. Overall this ep killed it though and J. August needs to just be a regular or at least a regular on another show. He is damn good.

 

[Xeno]

Plus, there was a scene in the Bridge teaser of Mike, still in his SHIELD supersuit, deflecting a rocket off his fist into an exploding car. That scene did not play out in tonight's episode ---- leaving the very real possibility that it belongs to Part 2 of the episode, and they're just sandbagging.

This is the teaser for The Bridge:

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The scene you described is not in the teaser. Mike definitely could have survived (though I doubt it) but there wasn't a clue that he did in the episode. If he did live, I would guess that the Extremis in his system protected him from the explosion and he hitched a ride on the underside of the helicopter somehow. But I'm not betting on that.

 

[TayDee]

Solid, solid, solid episode.

 

[metaphysician]

MCU Cap also punched through a submarine portal, threw multiple Hydra agents into the air and in the new trailer, dove into the ocean at maximum velocity. Pushing a 25 ton piece of construction equipment doesn't seem that far fetched.

I kind of doubt that bulldozer weighs 25 tons, but yeah. MCU Cap is outright superhuman.

 

[metaphysician]

Wait, there are still people who believes this show takes place pre-IM3, despite. . . the complete lack of evidence to suggest it, and the fact that *two episodes absolutely explicitly take place after Thor 2*?

 

[Xeno]

Does anyone besides me think Killian may be the Clarvoyant? (Under the assumption that this is pre IM3) or any ideas on who it may be in general?

The whole 'these guys tech is always upgrading and they have deep pockets' lines make me pretty sure were dealing with an AIM branch so if we're post IM3 I guess whoever the head AIM replacement is since like Coulson I'm doubtful of it being an actual psychic.

I'd love for the return of the show to really focus on this Cetepede storyline in more consecutive episodes rather than spacing it out. Then conclude that plot point or at least seemingly conclude it then the back end of the season sees tr resurgence of Graviton.

I'm also game for them adding Mike to the team, I really enjoy the actor playing him and be adds a nice dynamic to the team as well as a seemingly good buddy for Skye, but I'm guessing they'll somehow cure him and he'll rejoin his life with his son rather than abandon everything like Couldon and the others have had to.

I hope we see Coulson contact the cellist in the future too because his conversation with Mike about seeing his son really hit me as Coulson needing to do those things a well.

Killian isn't the Clairvoyant. He never had those powers, he wouldn't be dealing with these second-rate Centipede people and he's dead.

I'm beginning to suspect that Centipede is aligned with Ian Quinn, the billionaire bad guy from episode 3. Quinn has deep pockets, he's amoral and has the technical expertise for extremis research or can buy it. He is also very anti-government/anti-regulation. Creating a private army of super soldiers to further his own aims is right down Quinn's alley.

Mike Peterson should join the team full time, but they set it up so that he can't even if he survived. By imposing (unnecessary and ridiculous) limits on Mike's use of his powers the writers have made him less of an asset than he should be. That was probably a calculated move so that Mike won't be seen by the audience as an attractive character to add to the show.

Jeffrey Bell said in an interview that Coulson and Mike are "twins." Maybe that means that Phil's body was experimented on with Extremis and revived after death.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

"did i beat captain america's time?"

wtf was that? captain america is strong, but he doesn't have super strength.. wtf agents of shield?

 

[Just_Human]

One of the cards Coulson was holding was "Agent Brown"

Does anyone know if there is a Mr Brown in the Marvel universe?

 

[mkilban2]

Wait, there are still people who believes this show takes place pre-IM3, despite. . . the complete lack of evidence to suggest it, and the fact that *two episodes absolutely explicitly take place after Thor 2*?

Nah it's mostly just me who still thinks it. And going by Thor 2 all that means is that it also is before IM3 as well. There has be no definitive clues to me that we're post IM3, all Extrmis stuff we've seen is much less effective than Im3 and they're still trying to figure it out for sure, also there has not been one mention of anything that happened in IM3, I mean the Mandarin broadcasted worldwide and kidnapped the POTUS, I believe those things haven't been mentioned because they haven't happened in Shields timeline yet. Not that it really matters either way. I just think centipede as an AIm branch being funded and tech upgrades by AIM/Killian makes a lot of sense to me even if its probably wrong lol.

Also Xeno I like your idea of the rich business man being connected to centipede, I had forgotten about him. I can see that happening.

 

[TRM]

I do think there's some explanation for why the newspaper in IM3 says 2013, and it could relate to the powers of the mind, technology, and Killian.

Killian's brain could be a part of it. He says that the technology he throws on the table gives a "live feed" to his brain when he shows it to Pepper... So, when the universe flashes by, and he "accidentally" showed Pepper a map of the universe, was this a live feed of the universe?.. We were given hints about how Killian's brain is connected to the universe, but they were very subtle. He knew what every area of the brain did. I think Killian could have more powers of the mind/knowledge of the mind that we didn't know about, but so could "Trevor"..

The tech that sends commands to the eye implants and the subconsciousness, might somehow advance towards tech that controls the minds of people who have the brain slot filled, and not the centipede devices completely. centipede devices can only be subconsciously interacted with so Peterson and the Centipede soldiers are somewhat free.
They can't sleep though, or that one soldier might be forced to call Po sir. Akela Amadore only felt it was safe to sleep once the eye implant was out, this would be why she asks her handler if she can sleep.

Spoiler

The clairvoyant would be sending commands to the eyes, brains, and subconsciousness of the toy soldiers.. With Extremis soldiers there's more subtle forms of mind control going on that Killian had the advanced idea mechanics fix. He never fixed Extremis completely, but secretly perfected the mind control used on Bucky in the past, to link it with the tech that gives him a live feed to other people's minds/eyes, and allows him to play with people's subconsiousness to affect their memories... In Bucky's case his memories were altered by earlier forms of the control that has to take effect after the person sleeps. In Tony's case his memory of some of what happened in Tennessee was edited, and he was preconditioned to become the fixer/"mechanic" of Extremis for AIM and Centipede with a series of subconscious trigger words..

Coulson's mind/memory has been tampered with to cover up the cloning process and he has his own triggers. They think Killian can do the last steps in stabilization now that he has the fire resistant platelets and take a risk on going after a perfect clone, who somehow has the exact same mind as old Coulson, which is hard for Hydra to accomplish... Someone else had to be put into the mind of the clone of Alexander Pierce... They wanna clone the president, instead of having him be subtly controlled through a device they planted in his wrist...Cloning his mind will give them full control over the clone president, as well as the head of Shield.... Hydra has been planning this for decades.. Po is the military strategist so he has to help come up with tactics the clairvoyant uses, and incorporates into his think tank, Hydra can kill off and regenerate heads of state, when one head dies two grow in its place. Clones and doubles.. Multiple heads/heads of companies and the head of shield being replaced. People's minds/memories being replaced/tampered with... AIM is all about fixing some of these advanced ideas, but they need parts of Tony's mind/memory written on the name tag in 1999 to stabilize the Extremis. So Killian is actually inside Tony's mind, while distracting him with the show and the bodies...

Killian wasn't in the body the whole time...just like Stark wasn't in the suits the whole time..He could be partially projecting parts of his mind into the extremis soldiers, and overwriting their personalities.
They end up taking Coulson instead of Peterson because AIM is already very close to getting the fix for extremis, and they can't directly control Bucky's or the Centipede soldiers minds, so they knew they would never control Peterson fully. Po was mad that the Centipede soldier won't call him sir, and doesn't respect his orders. Po is very close to the clairvoyant, the clairvoyant does not like to be touched, he likes to watch it all going down through the eyes of those he handles... and is sometimes there and not there. The Mandarin body and Killian were both part of a collective. Both had certain surgeries and were made to do things by a force that was working through both of them.
The real Mandarin has gone wireless, and had no body... he had two. He left his body in the past, and uses parts of the tech Zola has invented to transfer his consciousness between cyborg bodies. Trevor has an eye implant...but Killian has the mind chip, which serves a dual purpose, and affects many areas of the brain.
Tony's nervous system had to be attacked through the wrist implants.. and then Mandarin had to find a way through the nervous system into the brain...To do so and plant the memories of Harley, real Mandarin had to handle Tony's panic attacks with parts of Trevor's brain...He can "handle" panic. If Killian starts to worry it can affect the other Extremis soldiers because his brain is directly linked to their minds instead of their eyes...

When Tony approached the mansion, everyone of those soldiers were with Hydra/Centipede..The Mandarin force could see Tony coming before he approached the mansion, and manipulated him into approaching the mansion. It also directed him to the speedboat part of the memory to hurry him along.
We'll never see The Mandarin returning ahead of time because he can return at any time, regrow his head/body, infect minds, has multiple clone bodies, controls a wide collective of cyborg bodies, and can see any action coming before it happens. He would see what those who have the eye implants see, and that tech is linked to his mind, his mind can send commands to them...This force was speaking through Trevor and Killian, it overwrote the old Killian personality and turned him into a showman. He liked writing and editing the mandarin speeches, producing things and controlling where the cameras were placed for the dock scene. Killian is a coordinator for the force that was working through many bodies the whole time, the Killian body wonders if it said too much by saying it was him the whole time, because this is very true with the way the force would be acting out all sides, and influencing Coldblood. Coldblood can keep his cool. Mandarin is the handler and the clairvoyant. He'll see everyone else coming, but he gave us "nothing" through Trevor's mind. The centipede soldier said he would tell Shield nothing, but he couldn't be trusted/fully controlled so the killswitch in the mind was activated. He's not good at making cover stories like Killian and Trevor are...The mind and eyes are "connected"..Mandarin had a live feed into many of the soldiers' minds...He starts to gain military knowledge from Po's mind, because Po is the only person who knows his real past as a spy, and real personality. He's using ancient war tactics and spy tactics like those of genghis khan to infiltrate and overthrow the enemy by turning their own soldiers and spies against them.

The whole goal of IM3 was not to kill Tony but to invade his mind full, secretly, as it was weakened by the panic attacks. Both bodies were being subtle, putting on a show, and keeping the conscious mind busy. Tony's subconscious was also busy until the panic attacks stop after talking to "Harley". so they couldn't get in until after this time, messing with some of the dates around the Harley segment of the story/memory, as they go back to watch 1999 again and again in Tony's mind to get the Extremis problem solved.. The Harley part is happening in 2013...but only because this is when they finally penetrate into Stark's memories in the future, and it leaves the date edited in the memory of the story right before he tells Banner, which is actually occurring in 2013 over the holidays. IM3 is secretly a live feed of them attempting to break into Tony's mind. This is why Banner makes the joke about him needing a certain type of doctor. His mind has been secretly conditioned/programmed, and he can't stop remembering the story...

 

[Herolee10]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like it's almost lazy writing (in a way) to give Coulson and his group these high scale missions and not have anyone make a mention to the fact that SHIELD has certain individuals who are more qualified to tackle this job...aka Captain America, Black Widow, or even Hawkeye.

Now I get that these actors aren't available to cameo or show up, hence why they're not in the story, but the writers should have known that in advance and thus I wonder why they continuously create these global threats for the team when the SHIELD members that I just mentioned should be deployed for them.

I'm glad that they at least had one mention where Skye noted that Coulson should give Thor a call to help them with one of their previous cases, but when the super soldier serum is involved, it's somewhat common sense that the organization should call in their big and experienced guns for that.