Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents Of SHIELD - Episode2.19 - The Dirty Half Dozen

May is siding with Nu-SHIELD now also because of her experience in Bahrain. She knows that these super-powered people can lead to tragedy. Why she didn't share those feelings prior to this episode I have no idea (unless maybe she did and I just didn't pick up on it).
 
Isn't he trying to find Ward in order to find the group that took Skye, in order to find her?

yep, to get to list who he knows is hunting gifted on the off chance that he knows something about gordon.

stab in the dark but what the hell.
 
I see no convincing evidence that May is "siding" with Nu-SHIELD. She wants to find out what Coulson is doing for her own reasons. Sure, if it turns out he's doing something insane, she'd oppose it. . . but I suspect that her definition of "insane" would be a *far* different thing from the one Adama uses. "Oh, so Phil wanted to gather up, protect, and train all the Index candidates who Hydra is trying to catch like pokemon? Not an unreasonable move. So, why didn't you tell us about this?"

( Whereas Adama would be going "Okay, where did I put my giant purple robots. . ." )
 
I see no convincing evidence that May is "siding" with Nu-SHIELD. She wants to find out what Coulson is doing for her own reasons. Sure, if it turns out he's doing something insane, she'd oppose it. . . but I suspect that her definition of "insane" would be a *far* different thing from the one Adama uses. "Oh, so Phil wanted to gather up, protect, and train all the Index candidates who Hydra is trying to catch like pokemon? Not an unreasonable move. So, why didn't you tell us about this?"

( Whereas Adama would be going "Okay, where did I put my giant purple robots. . ." )

a bit Vichy France though running the base under present circumstances. Does May know a shot was fired at skye?
 
The original SHIELD would try to recruit a person with powers, not to kill her. In the case of Skye, that would not have been necessary, since she was already recruited.
Also, in the case of people with powers who decline recruitment, the original SHIELD would not have killed them or imprisoned them just because of that. That's a difference between SHIELD and HYDRA (that was Hydra's policy: recruit them if possible, else capture them, and if that's not possible, either, then kill them).

John Garrett was sent to kill Carl Creel.

That is a statement of what they believe. It doesn't address the moral questions I asked in the post you were replying to.

There's not a single evidence of Gonzales and his men planing to exterminate the Inhumans or any powered individual.

I see no convincing evidence that May is "siding" with Nu-SHIELD.

She's not "siding" with "Nu-SHIELD". She's working for S.H.I.E.L.D., and that's all.
 
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Uskok said:
There's not a single evidence of Gonzales and his men planing to exterminate the Inhumans or any powered individual.
First. I never claimed that they were trying to exterminate the inhumans. I was considering a claim that Skye and Coulson might be Kree sleepers. The scenario I presented and the question about the Inhumans was a reply to the suggestion made by ctsketch that Skye and Coulson might be Kree sleepers (and that's very improbable), and that that would justify the actions of Gonzales and his men.

Second, actually there is some evidenced that Gonzales and his men planned to kill one powered individual - namely, Skye. The evidence is pretty conclusive in the case of Calderon, but whether Gonzales was in on the plan to kill her or it was only Calderon and his men is not certain (see the discussion of the matter in the "Afterlife" thread, in particular my discussion of the matter with Whitewater, beginning in this post).

Uskok said:
me said:
The original SHIELD would try to recruit a person with powers, not to kill her. In the case of Skye, that would not have been necessary, since she was already recruited.
Also, in the case of people with powers who decline recruitment, the original SHIELD would not have killed them or imprisoned them just because of that. That's a difference between SHIELD and HYDRA (that was Hydra's policy: recruit them if possible, else capture them, and if that's not possible, either, then kill them).
John Garrett was sent to kill Carl Creel.
Was he? I'm not sure. But let's say so. That's not the point, because sometimes they did try to kill people with powers. The point is that killing them was a last resort option, not a first option, or a second option.
The first option was recruitment, as we could see in the cases of:

a. Donnie Gill: Even after he had betrayed SHIELD, they trained him and helped him become more powerful, in order to have a powered soldier. It didn't work out because Hydra brainwashed him.
b. Eva (episode "Melinda"). She had already proven to be dangerous by beating up Russian agents, but they still tried to save her, and recruit her.
c. Steve Rogers.
d. Mike Peterson, who was being trained by the old SHIELD before its fall, and even after Peterson had been in combat against a SHIELD team.
e. More generally, the plan to recruit people with powers that Coulson was headed (see "Melinda").

The point is that the old SHIELD would go out of their way to recruit powered individuals, not kill them.
If that failed, the second option would still not be to kill them, but instead to allow them to leave, while being monitored by various means (see "Girl in the Flower Dress").
Another case: In "Repairs" they wanted to talk to a woman who they thought might have telekinetic powers. They even tried to protect her, not kill her - and that's before they realized she had no powers.

The third option would seem to be capturing them alive. For example, in "The Only Light in the Darkness", it was revealed that that old SHIELD also helped another powered individual become more powerful - the plan was, again, to recruit him, even in a case in which they had already captured him because he was a threat.

Gonzales's SHIELD actions against Skye were nothing like the actions of the old SHIELD towards powered people.
 
Was he? I'm not sure.

Coulson directly says as much, doesn't he? Creel was suppose to be "crossed off the index" after deciding he was too dangerous, and the team is wondering how it is he is still alive when they discover that the supervising officer of the execution was none other than John Garrett.
 
gildedmuse said:
Coulson directly says as much, doesn't he? Creel was suppose to be "crossed off the index" after deciding he was too dangerous, and the team is wondering how it is he is still alive when they discover that the supervising officer of the execution was none other than John Garrett.
Thanks, I didn't remember that exchange.
But in any case, it's clear that the old SHIELD did use lethal force against people with superpowers sometimes. I'm not suggesting otherwise. My point in that part of the exchange is that their approach to dealing with superpowered people was very different from the approach Gonzales and his people took towards Skye. They would have recruited Skye (if she weren't already an agent, so that was unnecessary in this case as well).

In particular, if the old SHIELD decided to kill Creel, it's because of what he did. If Creel had decided to join SHIELD, they would have welcome him with open arms, as they did with Peterson and did or tried to do with many others. And if Creel had declined joining, but had just stayed out of trouble, minding his own business, they would have left him alone, except for the surveillance, and a warning not to reveal his powers (as they did with Chan Ho Yin aka "Scorch").
 
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it appears it's the entire original team(i assume May is flying the plane).

YAY
 
I'm surprised we haven't seen Hydra's [BLACKOUT]Chitauri[/BLACKOUT]-armored soldiers on AoS yet. Think we'll see them in this episode?
 
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Wait what. Those exist? Where!?

In the trailers for AoU, and in the prelude comic. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I assumed they weren't spoilers. I'll go back and edit my original post.

You can see Thor hitting one in this commercial when he does the Mjolnir fake out:
[YT]jJ0psSGUkWU[/YT]
 
May is siding with Nu-SHIELD now also because of her experience in Bahrain. She knows that these super-powered people can lead to tragedy. Why she didn't share those feelings prior to this episode I have no idea (unless maybe she did and I just didn't pick up on it).

All the more reason then for coulson to divert resources to find them. Although personally I believe it is fury's project.
 
In the trailers for AoU, and in the prelude comic. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I assumed they weren't spoilers. I'll go back and edit my original post.

You can see Thor hitting one in this commercial when he does the Mjolnir fake out:
[YT]jJ0psSGUkWU[/YT]

I've only seen the first 3 age of ultron trailers. Going in there as blind as i can
 
Art of Evolution poster for the ep + article

Agents of SHIELD's Art of Evolution: the original six are back -- exclusive

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Just saw Age of Ultron, loved every minute of it. With this episode seemingly taking place concurrently with the opening scene of the movie, I paid very attention to it and noticed two things:

1)Dr. List was in the movie. IIRC Captain America knocked someone out and I think it was him, but I can't say for sure.

2)Once inside the castle Tony takes off the armor, finds a secret passage, goes through a few stairs and corridors until he finds the scepter. The thing is, this isn't a continuous scene, they cut several times to showcase the other Avengers, if AoS wants to expand upon it, like showing Stark finding Coulson there, they have room for it.
 
In the article, he says there is an Easter Egg in the photo, but I can't seem to find it. Anyone have a clue what it is?


Could it be that Skye / Daisy has extended gloves on compared to May?
 
Could it be that Skye / Daisy has extended gloves on compared to May?
Maybe, that's a good point. I also wonder what the hell Simmons is holding in her hand. It kinda looks like those disks Hydra used to turn people into ash when they had those mercs dress up like Shield.
Maybe that Quinjet is meant to be the Avengers one.
Very possible. Although, I'm not sure since they showed the gang in a Quinnjet in the episode preview.
 

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