Ahsoka Ahsoka General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Sithborg]

Wait, I don't have to wait till 3 am anymore? Thank the Force.

 

[Snow Queen]

Dawson's performance has yet to work for me and the trailer doesn't fill me with hope there. Guess we'll see. It is what it is. I look forward to seeing what the narrative of it all is at least, but I can't help but wish this was an animated project.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait, I don't have to wait till 3 am anymore? Thank the Force.

SB. you're suppose to be a fan...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A beautiful example of why the TV show lightsabers suck.


I feel like they technique started with TFA. But what the TFA did was still animate them after. So it had the beautiful lighting, but still had the classic look of the "streaking" lightsaber. Rogue One, TLJ, and TROS have it all to varying degrees.

But on the shows it feels non-existent. They are now depending on the on outset blade almost entirely, because it's cheaper.

 

[Weather Witch]

She tries to find her inner peace and does at times, but her emotions always bubble at the surface. I get that she'd be "more mature" though not battle worn (she's been that way since the TCW finale and it don't get worse then that) but that's not even how she's written. She's suppose to have that bit of sarcastic edge, that mirth, that chip, that I remember well from the other shows.

The thing I've always loved about Ahsoka is that she grows and changes. In this part of the timeline she is more mature and composed, sure. Ahsoka the grey indeed.

Though that playful smirk, that sarcastic grin, I think Dawson's Ahsoka still definitely has. "I hope it's about him", "I like firsts, good or bad they're always memorable", "I believe this is your payment", "I'm an old friend of the family", "Maybe he's a padawan now", and "So much like your father". Especially in combat, she channels Anakin a fair bit too.

For me, my favorite little moment is the way she smiles and walks off at the end of The Jedi. She is more guarded in the episodes generally, as she should be at this point, but that's the one moment she fully lets her guard down.

Also when casting for a role where someone's going to need to be a Jedi, it's really, really important to cast someone who can do it. Their stunt doubles are on point, but Dawson ain't out here being Ewan, Daisy, Hayden, or Adam. Who put it down time after time. You can already see it with live action Sabine and the new non-Jedi apprentice. Far better at the sword twirling and looking like they know what they're doing.

Honestly, I don't recall a single shot where this took me out of the story. There's admittedly quite a few actors in the franchise who aren't combat experts though. Of course, we'll soon find out if she can carry a series.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Considering this show is apparently a Rebels sequel, my 10 favorite Rebels episodes:

10. Path of the Jedi
9. Legacy of Mandalore
8. Fire Across the Galaxy
7. Hera’s Heroes
6. Rebel Assault
5. DUME
4. Twin Suns
3. Twilight of the Apprentice
2. Trials of the Darksaber
1. Jedi Night

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The thing I've always loved about Ahsoka is that she grows and changes. In this part of the timeline she is more mature and composed, sure. Ahsoka the grey indeed.

Though that playful smirk, that sarcastic grin, I think Dawson's Ahsoka still definitely has. "I hope it's about him", "I like firsts, good or bad they're always memorable", "I believe this is your payment", "I'm an old friend of the family", "Maybe he's a padawan now", and "So much like your father". Especially in combat, she channels Anakin a fair bit too.

For me, my favorite little moment is the way she smiles and walks off at the end of The Jedi. She is more guarded in the episodes generally, as she should be at this point, but that's the one moment she fully lets her guard down.

She's not Ahoska the Grey. She's Ahsoka the White at this point. She already got Balrog'ed.

That moment you mentioned is exactly why I don't like her performance. Because that's a moment ripped straight from the animated show, that Dawson can't pull off. Much like her time with the Grogurt. Though I'm curious why you think she'd have her "guard up" in that episode of Boba Fett. Who is she guarding from and why?

Ahsoka evolving and changing like so many other characters in and out of Star Wars, doesn't mean she loses what makes her inherently her. Like Luke, who can go from whiny teen to disillusioned hermit and still hold to what made him that boy we met years ago. You can see it in the writing, Ahsoka's still suppose to be Ahsoka. As opposed to say Bo, whose writing completely changed this season of Mando.

Honestly, I don't recall a single shot where this took me out of the story. There's admittedly quite a few actors in the franchise who aren't combat experts though. Of course, we'll soon find out if she can carry a series.

This, is not good:



It's apparent when it's a stunt double and when it's her, as the speed and transitions are obvious. Dawson lacks physicality.

Who are the major Jedi/Sith who aren't good with a lightsaber since the sword fights evolved past ep. 4? The only ones I can think of are Mace, Palpatine, and Dooku. The former refused proper training and the latter two were up there in age to say the least. So yeah, I'd argue that is some pretty obvious circumstance. Though that body double they had for Dooku was a god tier. Everyone else, from Mark, Prowse, Ewan, Hayden, Liam, Park, Daisy, and Adam have all been tremendous.

Also, this is Ewan and Hayden years later, without the same movie training from decades ago, on one of the TV shows:



They still got it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[Sithborg]

Part of the problem is that Ahsoka's style is very acrobatic and dance like. Nothing in Dawson's resume says that those are her strengths. Which may also be why we see her using a single blade a lot of time.

 

[Weather Witch]

She's not Ahoska the Grey. She's Ahsoka the White at this point. She already got Balrog'ed.

That moment you mentioned is exactly why I don't like her performance. Because that's a moment ripped straight from the animated show, that Dawson can't pull off. Much like her time with the Grogurt. Though I'm curious why you think she'd have her "guard up" in that episode of Boba Fett. Who is she guarding from and why?

Ahsoka evolving and changing like so many other characters in and out of Star Wars, doesn't mean she loses what makes her inherently her. Like Luke, who can go from whiny teen to disillusioned hermit and still hold to what made him that boy we met years ago. You can see it in the writing, Ahsoka's still suppose to be Ahsoka. As opposed to say Bo, whose writing completely changed this season of Mando.


This, is not good:



It's apparent when it's a stunt double and when it's her, as the speed and transitions are obvious. Dawson lacks physicality.

Who are the major Jedi/Sith who aren't good with a lightsaber since the sword fights evolved past ep. 4? The only ones I can think of are Mace, Palpatine, and Dooku. The former refused proper training and the latter two were up there in age to say the least. So yeah, I'd argue that is some pretty obvious circumstance. Though that body double they had for Dooku was a god tier. Everyone else, from Mark, Prowse, Ewan, Hayden, Liam, Park, Daisy, and Adam have all been tremendous.

Also, this is Ewan and Hayden years later, without the same movie training from decades ago, on one of the TV shows:



They still got it.

Filoni has been hinting pretty heavily that the timeline with her going Ahsoka the White right after Rebels doesn't line up the way we think. We see that exact scene in the trailers too, but without the white outfit this time. Dawson has also been hinting Ahsoka isn't quite there yet when this story begins. She even mentioned Gandalf too.

We'll just agree to disagree about her capabilities as an actress though. I still think she strikes a great balance between forging a new path and honoring what's come before. No use arguing it though. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Weather Witch]

Not letting me edit above, but here's the quote from Dave Filoni.

In the latest episode of The Mandalorian, titled “The Jedi,” she is at odds with a Imperial Magistrate Morgan Elsbeth in an effort to find Thrawn and though this may seemingly indicate it takes place after the Rebels epilogue, Filoni told Vanity Fair this may not be the case.

“It’s an interesting one, that’s not necessarily chronological,” Filoni said. “I think the thing that people will most not understand is they want to go in a linear fashion, but as I learned as a kid, nothing in Star Wars really works in a linear fashion. You do [Episodes] Four, Five, and Six and then One, Two, and Three. So in the vein of that history, when you look at the epilogue of Rebels, you don’t really know how much time has passed. So, it’s possible that the story I’m telling in The Mandalorian actually takes place prior to that. Possible. I’m saying it’s possible.”

Then Rosario Dawson mentions that Ahsoka in the show still has a ways to go, despite also acknowledging just before that we saw Ahsoka the White in Rebels.

That's why I've been saying Dawson is playing Ahsoka the Grey. She still has to find the light again, which makes sense after everything she's gone through. That's also why the current portrayal might be different. Room to grow.

Ahsoka the White is likely at the end of an arc. Maybe the second half of the season. Maybe even the end of this show. Likely meeting Sabine again, like in the trailer, but this time in the white outfit.

Plus, I assume that's why the production code name for this show is Stormcrow. After Gandalf's nickname of course. She'd be going through his most famous arc here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

78% at the moment on RT, after 37 reviews.

https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/ahsoka-review-for-star-wars-rebels-fans-only/1900-6418108/

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Weird hearing a different voice, but MEW nailed Hera's "mom huffiness" from the show. And Chopper is just Chopper, in all his glory.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Rick directing the finale of Ahsoka. The man made even Mando s3 look good. But Filoni is directing the movie?

 

[Sithborg]

Weird hearing a different voice, but MEW nailed Hera's "mom huffiness" from the show. And Chopper is just Chopper, in all his glory.

She has achieved the next level of mom voice.

 

[BoredGuy]

Everyone else, from Mark, Prowse, Ewan, Hayden, Liam, Park, Daisy, and Adam have all been tremendous.

Idk about those two
They brought great emotion into their fights, but talented sword fighters they were not
With proper writing to set the stakes and the emotions, Dawson could be just as effective as them in fight scenes

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Idk about those two
They brought great emotion into their fights, but talented sword fighters they were not
With proper writing to set the stakes and the emotions, Dawson could be just as effective as them in fight scenes

They were very good, especially Mark. The biggest "issue" is Vader's suit, which slowed a lot of the movement. Even still, it's far more technical duel, that is expertly put together from a story perspective.



That was in the 70s, wearing jeans.

Dawson theoretically could be. The problem is she hasn't been.

 

[BoredGuy]

They were very good, especially Mark. The biggest "issue" is Vader's suit, which slowed a lot of the movement. Even still, it's far more technical duel, that is expertly put together from a story perspective.

Yea I mean again, story-wise its probably one of the best fights in the franchise in ESB, but the slowness of it is very evident

It's all about the posturing and the visual flair, and mostly the connection between the fighters, it didn't require a ton of grace or athleticism.

Anybody with a month or two of prep could manage the physicality of that fight, whereas to look proficient at Ahsoka's fighting style would require several months at least, and even then only if you have some sort of background training. For most people it would take years

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yea I mean again, story-wise its probably one of the best fights in the franchise in ESB, but the slowness of it is very evident

It's all about the posturing and the visual flair, and mostly the connection between the fighters, it didn't require a ton of grace or athleticism.

Anybody with a month or two of prep could manage the physicality of that fight, whereas to look proficient at Ahsoka's fighting style would require several months at least, and even then only if you have some sort of background training

Did you watch the clip? Hamill could go. Second, that was a movie released in 1980. We've evolved a lot since then and a lot more is expected. These folk get a lot more training. The Duel of the Fates happened 24 years ago now.

 

[BoredGuy]

Did you watch the clip? Hamill could go. Second, that was a movie released in 1980. We've evolved a lot since then and a lot more is expected. These folk get a lot more training. The Duel of the Fates happened 24 years ago now.

Yeah he was a'ight, nothing all that hard to pull off though
granted I watch a lot of lightsaber videos on youtube though and those people are crazy lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah he was a'ight, nothing all that hard to pull off though
granted I watch a lot of lightsaber videos on youtube though and those people are crazy lol

Which is why Dawson in 2023 looking the way she does, her lack of physicality and movement, is noticeable. Hamill's movement and physicality in 1979 was far superior to what she does now. 44 years later. Ahsoka is suppose to be a Jedi master.

Vader can break dance in 2023.

 

[BoredGuy]

Which is why Dawson in 2023 looking the way she does, her lack of physicality and movement, is noticeable. Hamill's movement and physicality in 1979 was far superior to what she does now. 44 years later. Ahsoka is suppose to be a Jedi master.

Yeah I'm certainly not saying she can hold a candle to McGregor, Johnson, Driver, and definitely not Christiansen

Im just sayin if the writing is there, it'll be easier to forgive some less than amazing lightsaber duels.
OT duels >>> [most] PT and [all] ST duels, despite the fact that the actual saber fighting was higher quality in the Prequels and Sequels

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I'm certainly not saying she can hold a candle to McGregor, Johnson, Driver, and definitely not Christiansen

Im just sayin if the writing is there, it'll be easier to forgive some less than amazing lightsaber duels.
OT duels >>> [most] PT and [all] ST duels, despite the fact that the actual saber fighting was higher quality in the Prequels and Sequels

In terms of duels:

1. Empire
2. TFA
3. TROS
4. TPM
5. RotS

TLJ doesn't have a "duel" though the two saber wielders there are both great. The ST returns to the ideas of the OT, with superior physicality and understanding of how to tell the story with the movements in the battle.

Weirdly enough, the "best" parts of AotC and RotS got left on the cutting room floor. Anakin's superiority was basically removed in the storyboarding for Mustafar and Anakin forcing Dooku to take him serious in both of their duels was lost in the edit. Which makes me sad. Even still, the Anakin/Dooku clash at the start of RotS is probably the best in terms of pure slapping sticks together.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And this is why I'm here for the Sabine show:

Ahsoka Review: New Star Wars Show Streaming on Disney Plus

It’s a welcome approach that mostly works, but not always. The biggest example is Ahsoka herself. Though she’s the title character and focal point for the action, Dawson’s performance is powerfully stoic and it keeps her character guarded. She’s quiet, thoughtful, and maddeningly mysterious. Ahsoka certainly became more like that in previous Star Wars shows but here, finally the star, it’s a little offputting to see her be so passive. You yearn for her to show a bit more personality.

That personality, for the most part in the first two episodes, is left to Sabine, who is destined to become a top-tier Star Wars icon after this show debuts. Introduced in a pulse-pounding, high-speed action scene, and later by showing the kind of brains and confidence of a great hero, Sabine—especially by the end of episode two—clearly is the star here. Bordizzo also delivers a more subtle performance but layers Sabine’s charm and personality in a more accessible way than anything Dawson is given to do with Ahsoka. Sabine’s character and journey feel even more impactful than Ahsoka’s here at the start, thanks in large part to a well-established, and long-standing, care for the missing Ezra, and how that has manifested in suitably rebellious ways in the years since his disappearance.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Up yo 85% after 52 reviews. Nice trend.