BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 296

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[Spider-Aziz]

(On the bathroom scene)
"Eee! Why is Superman jumping into the water with his shoes on?"

That's a good question son.

 

[Logan0327]

one thing i wish the DECU would do is have the citizen's perspective of superman we never get their reaction to superman or anything it would make the world feel bigger and more real

it is something the nolan trilogy did very well

 

[Predator jp]

it would've been nice to see how Supes won over the citizen during the fight against Doomsday. that would've made [BLACKOUT]Supes's death[/BLACKOUT] more inpactful and emotional.

 

[Verick808]

it would've been nice to see how Supes won over the citizen during the fight against Doomsday. that would've made [BLACKOUT]Supes's death[/BLACKOUT] more inpactful and emotional.

Yeah, that's one of my issues with the film. A lot of people the the movie didn't earn it's ending. I feel the opposite. The ending wasn't enough of a pay off.

 

[Monochron]

That's why your son won't be Batman.

I'm sure they'll be glad their child did not become a self-destructive ***hole.

 

[FLashforward]

I'm sure they'll be glad their child did not become a self-destructive ***hole.

Why don't you put yourself in this Batman's shoes and see how you go?

 

[Mjölnir]

Answering posts to me from the previous thread.

Now, when you say Batman posed no threat whatsoever...

As Superman saw him he posed no threat whatsoever, which is what plays into how Superman would react to him. Even in practice Batman poses no threat until after Superman has attacked him hard, since he doesn't use any kryptonite until after that happens.

The way I see it, Superman had watching Batman kill and wanted him to stop. When he stopped Batman from chasing the criminals, he probably noticed the recklessness of the car chase (the Batmobile using turrets to shoot at the cars in front) and faulted Batman for it. Therefore the abrupt stop to that chase. I do agree Superman should've gone and continued the chase, but maybe he did and by then they were long gone.

Superman attempted thrice to talk to Batman, but it's clear from Batman's expression that he had no interest to negotiate. Batman's of a one track mind - it wasn't easy to convince himself to finally go commit "the act" (he had to keep dehumanizing Superman in order to see him as less than a person), and he didn't want to be dissuaded from it, believing he was doing it for the greater good. Right after Superman had been hit by the sonic canons, he attempted for a second time to negotiate, but Batman walked up to him and I think Superman pushed him instinctively, thinking he had something up his sleeve. And of course we know with Batman, he always has something up his sleeve. Rightly so, because the round of gun fire came next. He pushed Batman up the building merely to scare him - ironically I didn't like this scene the first time I saw it in the trailers, I voiced my concerns on this forum and got shut down by someone who's now giving this film a low rating lol. At that time, the person said Superman would know if any bones were broken. So let's go on the assumption he knew Batman would not be broken by that action. It was a mere scare tactic, followed by a "If I wanted it, you would be dead already", to assure Batman he wasn't there to fight, but to talk. Unfortunately, Batman doesn't get scared, and I think it was Superman's underestimation of the man that got the real fight started.

It's not something I think is one of the major issues, but since Superman does know that Batman targets actual criminals it's a bit funny that he didn't stop all of them.

I didn't get the impression that he gave talking a real shot. He was interrupted by set traps, which there won't be a ton of. He could fly up in the air to talk, he could push Batman over again and talk, he could grab Batman and force him to listen, etc. Downright attacking him is also really hurting your chances to get through to the other guy when you've threatened him before. That the situation is made so the fight could so easily have been avoided, and one fighter wanted to avoid it, it takes away from the emotions of the fight, and it could have been so intense. But as said, I think the problem lies in throwing away Superman's own motivation at the end and just force him. And if they are to force him it would be better if it was done so he didn't have a logical, and seemingly easy way to bypass it.

I just think it's a shame that they didn't go all out on making that fight all it could be, as that was what the people in the theater were there to see. Even in the movie that was made I think there was more potential.

 

[Deserana]

After watching this 3 times I'm baffled about some of the issues people have had yet one of the biggest issues around is that the film is barely Batman V Superman is barely mentioned. In 140 minutes, Approximately 5 minutes are a fight. That's it.

They seriously SERIOUSLY shortchanged us on that.

 

[Gianakin_]

That's why your son won't be Batman.

And I'll be alive and a ******ed family tragedy will have been avoided! Ain't life grand?

...some people seem to forget that the existence of Batman is a very sad fact. It makes for great entertainment, but we're talking about an unhappy man in a great deal of pain and unable to move on from the tragedy he's carrying inside of him. So when someone comes along and says "Your son won't be Batman", it's actually one of the best wishes to my unborn son.

 

[matt47]

After watching this 3 times I'm baffled about some of the issues people have had yet one of the biggest issues around is that the film is barely Batman V Superman. In 140 minutes, Approximately 5 minutes are a fight. That's it.

They seriously SERIOUSLY shortchanged us on that.

I walked about not feeling like I just watched a Batman vs Superman movie..it felt like a Batman/Luthor : Trust Issues.

 

[Deserana]

I walked about not feeling like I just watched a Batman vs Superman movie..it felt like a Batman/Luthor : Trust Issues.

Yep. The Vs part is literally a tiny part of the story. And the fight is really only coming from one side anyway.

 

[matt47]

Snyder lied when people would ask why they would fight. He said they made a whole movie about it...

 

[javonstokess]

I walked about not feeling like I just watched a Batman vs Superman movie..it felt like a Batman/Luthor : Trust Issues.

I walked away from the movie feeling like "Damn, Batman and Superman are pretty dumb."

 

[Poni_Boy]

Snyder lied when people would ask why they would fight. He said they made a whole movie about it...

Snyder ********s a lot. He just talks off the cuff with no rhyme or reason. It's like be doesn't know how the internet works, that people will catalog and remember dumb **** he says.

 

[Lencho01]

The io9 article with his reasons for why Clark killed Zod is funny to read. None of his answers make any sense to me.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Warner Bros. Mulls Releasing Fewer Films as 'Batman v. Superman' Stalls

CEO Kevin  Tsujihara is said to want to reduce releases and focus on his trio of potential hitmaker silos (sound familiar?)

After an abysmal run of expensive underperformers including Jupiter Ascending, Pan and In the Heart of the Sea, the studio launched its effort at a Marvel-style film universe with the DC Comics movie that had been touted as proof the regime installed in 2013 and headed by chairman and CEO Kevin Tsujihara was getting on track. But a dizzying 69 percent plunge that followed its March-record $166.1 million domestic opening ($422.5 million worldwide) means Batman is not a clear win.

Some competitors say the film may turn a profit but hardly will be the money gusher studios hope for when they pour massive resources into making a giant tentpole with a big star — with a budget in this case said to be in excess of $300 million, and Ben Affleck. "The biggest problem," says the head of a rival studio, "is that it is not turning [DC] into Marvel. The audience has communicated, as have the critics." One agent notes BvS likely won't get to $1 billion despite launching the universe with "two of the most iconic characters in history." Pointing out that Jurassic World pulled in $1.67 billion globally, he continues, "you can't tell me Batman v. Superman is so much less valuable."

Several sources say Warner Bros. executives were convinced they had the goods with BvS and were shocked when negative reviews began pouring in. Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, "we're not going to take a movie that's supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-mulls-releasing-films-881265

 

[javonstokess]

The io9 article with his reasons for why Clark killed Zod is funny to read. None of his answers make any sense to me.

It's funny, I never really had an issue with Superman killing Zod. I have a problem with the build up/set up.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-mulls-releasing-films-881265

That is to say no more DCEU films (at least, this iteration) past Wonder Woman.

 

[Gianakin_]

The io9 article with his reasons for why Clark killed Zod is funny to read. None of his answers make any sense to me.

Link please?

 

[javonstokess]

Several sources say Warner Bros. executives were convinced they had the goods with BvS and were shocked when negative reviews began pouring in.

"Wait...fans don't want a murderous idiot Batman and a moody, boring Superman?"

But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, "we're not going to take a movie that's supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else."

I know...god forbid we actually give the fans what they want because the blueprint has been shown to work.

 

[NeoRanger]

"Wait...fans don't want a murderous idiot Batman and a moody, boring Superman?"



I know...god forbid we actually give the fans what they want because the blueprint has been shown to work.

I don't think they were quite talking about fans in that bit.

 

[Jumpman]

The negatively in this forum is startling.

 

[Lencho01]

Link please?

Here you go...

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-zack-snyder-defending-the-end-of-man-1763888746