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Yes, your honor, I drove my Batmobile straight into those thugs, but I never intended to kill them, because it's always safe to drive straight into people and flatten them with your car.
How do you prove in court that he didn't intend to kill them doing a reckless stupid thing like that? Unless he's got the IQ of a child, the greenest lawyer fresh out of law school could have him charged with murder for driving straight into thugs like that. You don't need to be a district attorney to know that. Just have common sense.
Well your honor, I was driving my car and got pushed off the road which caused me to swerve into a building out of control. I couldn't stop in time and ended up driving through a wall and back out on to the street. I couldn't see thru the wall and had no idea there was a missle toting truck Directly in front of me. It's a wonder no one was injured!...
See. That's how.
The Judge would reply 'Do you want some beans with that waffle?'.
When does he beat people half to death in the comics? Can you name me some stories where Batman hospitalized thugs because they were beaten within an inch of their lives?
Is that a thing? Beans and waffle.? Never heard that one.
I am not a big comic reader but these are a few I found quickly. Seems to be all through his history right from number 1.
Some injured - some killed outright.
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Oh yes. Delicious, too.
From the 1939 era, the one year before it was dictated he will never kill or use a gun again.
Read the last panel. "Have I, Robin?". He didn't kill anyone. Ra's Al Ghul was fine.
He also says: I knew Robin, But I HAD to do...implying he expected it would kill him...but saying Have I Robin...implies he is afraid maybe he failed and he will return...
The Mutant Leader wasn't beaten near to death. How do you know? He could have a subdural hematoma and die from internal injuries!
Same as your first example. In fact that's the panel we have to thank for it;
'It wasnt until the release of Batman #1 (June 1940), a story that featured Batman blasting away at a group of men mutated into monstrous giants by Dr. Hugo Strange, that then editor Whitney Ellsworth decided that Batman shouldnt kill or use a gun.'
http://www.actsofgeek.com/2014/07/dc100-batmans-gun/
Three things;
1. His mind was being controlled by Hush who put a microchip in his brain when he did brain surgery on Bruce.
The same can be said for BvS Batman. The mind control part...either temp insanity or a neurotic compulsion to go Batsh**
2. Joker wasn't even hospitalized. He went straight back to Arkham.
Only because he is a cartoon character!...a real person taking a beating like that would have serious contusions and bruising about the face and abdomen...
3. That's where this panel is from;
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A punch to the face is suddenly life threatening?
He also says: I knew Robin, But I HAD to do...implying he expected it would kill him...but saying Have I Robin...implies he is afraid maybe he failed and he will return...
How do you know? He could have a subdural hematoma and die from internal injuries!
The same can be said for BvS Batman. The mind control part...either temp insanity or a neurotic compulsion to go Batsh**
Only because he is a cartoon character!...a real person taking a beating like that would have serious contusions and bruising about the face and abdomen...
From BATMAN! Yep!
Have you read the story? If you haven't then don't make definitive declarations about an out of context panel. I have it. If he expected it to kill him, why would he even say "Have I?" if he didn't believe he was dead. Rhetorical question. He knew Ra's wouldn't die.
Because the story states he was returned to jail after his defeat, and his gang broke up and became the Sons of Batman. Nothing implied he was in any fatal condition from Batman's beating.
You're just making things up to try and validate your argument.
Just when you think you've seen all the scraping of the bottom of the barrel, straw clutching excuses. No offense, but that is hysterical logic. You read it here first, folks. Batman being an irrational murderous idiot is the equivalent to mind control.
What are you talking about? Who's a cartoon character?
You're not even trying to be credible any more.
For a Joker...you are WAY too serious...Have some fun with it...it feels better.
Of course he did something wrong. That's the point of the scene. It was a reckless action that he made in the heat of the moment. But it was without the intention to harm any of them. As opposed to BvS where he just massacres them without a single care for human life in that situation to accomplish his psychotic goal with vicious purposeful premeditation. Have a very great day!Sleiek said:"It's a miracle no one was killed"
Hmm.
Does that mean Batman didn't do anything wrong though?
I wanna point out for a moment how awesome I think this panel is. Gordon rocks so much right here to me.
souperman said:I guess the real issue comes down to who and what you believe.
If someone in the film says "I didn't kill, or killed because of a good reason" but the shown scenes contradict that, we have to decide what is true, just like in a mystery movie. Characters lie to us all the time. That's part of the fun of the entertainment. Verbal said he never did nothin...
Of course all this discussion illustrates the varied POVs of people witnessing the very same thing...not very clean cut, is it?
I addressed characters making statements that contradict what is shown, as well as the unreliable narrator, in my original post about this.
I wanna point out for a moment how awesome I think this panel is. Gordon rocks so much right here to me.
I wanna point out for a moment how awesome I think this panel is. Gordon rocks so much right here to me.
I think that panel is a great example of why it was a mistake for Batfleck to be so nonchalant about casualties, be it death by proxy or not. It really is an important part of his mythology. I'm a big fan of BvS, I'm all for a mature, adult version of these characters, I'm all for putting them in no win situations and all that, but they are writers, they can come up with anything that they want to happen, they don't need to show him killing or blood spatter or somebody standing right next to an exploding truck. Batman is not a soldier, he's not contracted by any governing entity, and as that panel illustrates, the good cops in Gotham allow Batman to be Batman because he has a code, regardless of whether he's become more brutal or not. They still could have illustrated that Batman had become darker, more cynical, brutal, hopeless, all that, without him blasting people away (though I liked that he was lethal and used guns in the Knightmare scene).
Having said that, I'm willing to forgive it because I really like the story they're trying to tell