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There's also this one:

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I love this, in fact i want to see Cavill's Superman deal with a hostage situation in the film, maybe that said hostage is none other than Lois Lane reporting in dangerous places?

In fact i like Superman films where Lois purposely puts herself in dangerous all for the latest scoop knowing that Superman is out there saving the day.
 
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I still don't understand what the red thing is...
 
So are Metropolis and Gotham twin cities in this universe? Thought I read something about then being "across the river" from each other.
 
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I still don't understand what the red thing is...

Fleck was probably working on the Batmobile in this scene when he was having the conversation with Alfred about going to war and taking down Superman.
 
I saw that quote but I don't think he literally means killing though. I took it as he goes the extra mile in beating the crap out of criminals, like the bat branding we see in the trailers. If Batman was a killer, half the characters in suicide squad would already be dead.

Except that's litterally what the word "executioner" means.

As for the SS characters, I had that thought too, but then realized that they've made it clear that the "change" in Batman has been a RECENT thing.
In other words, he's gotten worse since putting everyone in SS behind bars.


Now, I'm hoping that this could be one of two things, one of which I mentioned long ago, before this was even a concern for BvS:

One, Bruce could be going out of his way to let people THINK Batman has gone over that line, utilizing the fear it instills, which is one of the benefits he had more in his early days, before the criminals figured out he had limits.
So I could see him taking advantage of that if the opportunity presented itself in recent years.
Like when Matt goes with it after learning people think he decapitated that guy on Daredevil.

Two, and this also ties into why Bruce is having nightmares with so many allusions to Darkseid, someone or thing is influencing Bruce. It would explain/connect with the dreams, and explain the Omega symbol, Paradeamons, etc, as opposed to Bruce just magically having precognitive dreams.
So, whatever force is affecting his dreams, is also affecting his mind and behavior, hence him acting so irrationally as far as his preemptive approach to Superman.

That said, although I want to have some reasonable explanation for the dreams, I don't like the idea of Bruce not really being himself for the majority of his premiere appearance in this universe.

Although he certainly has more to do in this film relative to Renner in Avengers, Bruce doesn't need to be Hawkeyed in a film he's headlining.
 
To me, the red thing looks like an airbag for stuntmen. Looks like a hose on the lower right side of it. Not sure.
 
I'm willing to make a bet via Paypal. $150 bucks that Batfleck doesn't kill or murder anyone intentionally, or even at all.
 
Except that's litterally what the word "executioner" means.

In the context of, "Judge, Jury, and Executioner," it doesn't mean putting someone to death exactly. It's to carry out a punishment. That punishment isn't necessarily killing someone.
 
In the context of, "Judge, Jury, and Executioner," it doesn't mean putting someone to death exactly. It's to carry out a punishment. That punishment isn't necessarily killing someone.
It is when you "execute" someone.

Anyway, I think Roven just didn't think it through. I doubt Batman is a killer in this.
 
I love how no one has come close to explaining the "red" thing. He's talking about that giant red wall behind the batmobile guys.
 
He probably means executing a criminal's dignity when he brands them.
 
In the context of, "Judge, Jury, and Executioner," it doesn't mean putting someone to death exactly. It's to carry out a punishment. That punishment isn't necessarily killing someone.
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This.

And I think what Roven said was thought through, there was even merch with it on there if I'm not mistaken. But like Mrs. Wayne said, I believe it's more of a catchphrase than a description of his 3 distinct roles. He punishes the bad guys, but I don't think for a second that means he murders them.
 
In the context of, "Judge, Jury, and Executioner," it doesn't mean putting someone to death exactly. It's to carry out a punishment. That punishment isn't necessarily killing someone.


No, in that context, more than any other, it has ALWAYS meant "executioner" as in executing criminals. *Every single time anyone in history has ever used the phrase "Judge, Jury, and Executioner," it has meant that.

If Roven is meaning anything other than that, then this would be the **first time in the history of the English language that someone has done so, and in doing so, so inaccurately used those words.

*Hyperbole warning, hyperbole warning.
**But seriously, no one, EVER, has used "Judge, Jury, and Executioner," to mean anything other than Punisher/Judge Dredd style "justice."
 
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