All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

[Micromind]

Superman in BvS realizes that people may not always welcome his presence, or interference in their social / political / world affairs, he finds that the world was not black and white but mostly Gray, which questioned him. ('Must there be Superman ?")

Superman learns that despite his good intentions, there are some unintentional consequences to his actions, he also realizes that some people are trying to manipulate him.

As he was raised like a human, he too has doubts, like every other human being on Earth, after the incident at the Senate, he begins to question his mission, but towards the end finds his faith in humanity restored back again and decides to save his world.

The character arc here is a journey he goes through to emerge as a hero who has gained the ability to withstand pressures of media, politics and scheming people like Lex and still goes ahead do the right thing.

 

[Micromind]

I loved that scene where the court blew up, and he gave a look quite reminiscent of ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

I take it that you may not have watched BvS: Ultimate Cut, where he is shown helping injured people and looks sad and shows feelings of helplessness.

 

[sweetre15]

I take it that you may not have watched BvS: Ultimate Cut, where he is shown helping injured people and looks sad and shows feelings of helplessness.

Then it's shown that he also helped the fire man with getting people out of the building before leaving

 

[UltimatePyro9]

What if Shazam ...became a Teen Titan?

Wouldn't be a bad idea. Technically, Shazam is younger than the Teen Titans.

I take it that you may not have watched BvS: Ultimate Cut, where he is shown helping injured people and looks sad and shows feelings of helplessness.

Which begs the question of why was that scene cut. This would've been a great way of showing Superman being heroic. Why would they cut that? After the capitol building gets blown up, Superman just flies up, looking dour, and that's the end of that.

 

[misslane38]

He moped around for a whole movie. That's pretty much his story in a nutshell.

No, he did not. Clark began the film countering Lois's concerns. He says that he doesn't care what people are saying about him. As the world begins to turn against him, Clark decides to believe in the power of the press to make a difference. He stands up for the American conscience to Perry White. Later, at the library fundraiser, he tells a critical Bruce Wayne that the world doesn't share Bruce's negative perception of Superman. The world is shown to turn against him more (this is most obvious during the montage), and yet he shows up to face his critics at Finch's hearing. The bombing happens, and he tells Lois that he didn't see it because he wasn't looking. He was so naive and believed so much in people that it didn't occur to him to suspect violence or threats of violence. Clark did not shift to any form of hopelessness or cynicism until the Capitol bombing, and even then, his crisis of confidence was merely temporary. It wasn't long until he was back, ready to fight, ready to forgive, and ready to give his life for his world and its people. That's Superman's story in a nutshell.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

David Ayer tweeted out a pic of Black Mask. Could fit as the antagonist for Sirens.

definitely a scale down from enchantress is terms of scope, typically Black Mask is just a power hungry mob boss that vies for control of Gotham.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

David Ayer tweeted out a pic of Black Mask. Could fit as the antagonist for Sirens.

definitely a scale down from enchantress is terms of scope, typically Black Mask is just a power hungry mob boss that vies for control of Gotham.

Much like Joker, he's unconscionably sadistic, though. See my last post in the GCS thread.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Yeah I think it would make it easier to root for the Sirens in that case.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Wouldn't be a bad idea. Technically, Shazam is younger than the Teen Titans.



Which begs the question of why was that scene cut. This would've been a great way of showing Superman being heroic. Why would they cut that? After the capitol building gets blown up, Superman just flies up, looking dour, and that's the end of that.

No such thing happens in the theatrical cut. The scene cuts with him in the middle of the fire. There's no "he just flies up". And does it matter why they cut it ? The UE's been out for almost a year now. If you're just gonna close your eyes and pretend it doesn't exist just so you can repeat the same stupid "criticism" over and over, so be it.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

cue BlueLanternK's smiling Clark manips

Batman v Superman: Why So Serious? Edition
95% on Rotten Tomatoes, Certified Fresh

 

[Greens]

THAT movie looks Oscar worthy.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

THAT movie looks Oscar worthy.

No, the only DCEU movie that is Oscar worthy is Suicide Squad.

 

[Consona]

BlueLanternKal:

 

[Lantern Venom]

BlueLanternKal:

I can't stop laughing on the goofy grin after the bomb exploded at the Congressional hearing.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Batman v Superman: Why So Serious? Edition
95% on Rotten Tomatoes, Certified Fresh

10/10 would see in Imax 4K

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

His story took MOS one step further. In his origin, he learned to do the right thing even when some humans were suspect of him as an outsider. In BvS, he learned to be true and consistent, even when the masses reviled him, and some powerful humans were trying to kill him. All of BvS's grim darkness couldn't extinguish the brightness of his unbreakable morality.

That's exactly how I see it.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Superman in BvS realizes that people may not always welcome his presence, or interference in their social / political / world affairs, he finds that the world was not black and white but mostly Gray, which questioned him. ('Must there be Superman ?")

Superman learns that despite his good intentions, there are some unintentional consequences to his actions, he also realizes that some people are trying to manipulate him.

As he was raised like a human, he too has doubts, like every other human being on Earth, after the incident at the Senate, he begins to question his mission, but towards the end finds his faith in humanity restored back again and decides to save his world.

The character arc here is a journey he goes through to emerge as a hero who has gained the ability to withstand pressures of media, politics and scheming people like Lex and still goes ahead do the right thing.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

In interviews Zack has said that Clark isn't "Superman" yet, he's still in his learning phase, and hasn't found his place in the world. You also got Batman who's at his lowest point in his life, he's lost so much he's strayed away from his morals. He is very distrustful of metahumans, and is beyond reasoning. And you got a Wonder Woman who's lost faith in humanity and wonders if "men are still good", or if it's even worth it.

It's a darker story involving DC characters, and to an extent I give it to Zack for not letting the backlash of MOS's seriousness decide what BVS should be. He practically doubled down on it.

But I'm also not sure it was the right move to introduce Batman, Wonder Woman, and continue the origin of Superman when all three are at their lowest points.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

It's a darker story involving DC characters, and to an extent I give it to Zack for not letting the backlash of MOS's seriousness decide what BVS should be. He practically doubled down on it.

Yes, the guy obviously had a vision. Granted a lot of people didn't like it (I did, despite some of the problems) but he stuck to it for BvS.

 

[Broseph44]

Batman v Superman: Why So Serious? Edition
95% on Rotten Tomatoes, Certified Fresh

OMG

 

[ManWithNoName18]

http://splashreport.com/hot-rumor-the-scoop-on-the-director-struggles-in-the-dceu/

Neat read chronicling the DCEU since MOS, even if the "scoops" are things that you could already infer. Basically it's that Reeves, and Wan used their weight as directors to demand more creative control. And after the reception of BVS, and SS Johns had to cave in rather than risk them leaving.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

That's an interesting read - thanks.

Basically it's that Reeves, and Wan used their weight as directors to demand more creative control. And after the reception of BVS, and SS Johns had to cave in rather than risk them leaving.

Yes. I mean...

Reeves wants the same control over The Batman as Wan has over Aquaman

... sounds perfectly reasonable.


What do you think about the comments posted there...?

Geoff Johns seems to have as much oversight as Mark Millar has with Fox properties.....None....
I think his name was attached to the DCEU to appease the many cries of WB not having any idea of the DC properties.

[Johns] is just hired as a "silent figurehead" and advisor

 

[writer0327]

In interviews Zack has said that Clark isn't "Superman" yet, he's still in his learning phase, and hasn't found his place in the world. You also got Batman who's at his lowest point in his life, he's lost so much he's strayed away from his morals. He is very distrustful of metahumans, and is beyond reasoning. And you got a Wonder Woman who's lost faith in humanity and wonders if "men are still good", or if it's even worth it.

It's a darker story involving DC characters, and to an extent I give it to Zack for not letting the backlash of MOS's seriousness decide what BVS should be. He practically doubled down on it.

But I'm also not sure it was the right move to introduce Batman, Wonder Woman, and continue the origin of Superman when all three are at their lowest points.

I agree with this, if only from the standpoint that it will be three films before we see the character of "Superman", as Snyder has him still in this "growth" phase. It shouldn't take three films to finally get Superman.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

^There's that line from Perry after the Wallace incident, "End of love affair with man in the sky?", but we never actually get to see the love affair part, not at the end of MOS (which almost kills the third act of MOS imo) nor at the start of BvS. Instead the movie is only showing the darker aspects. If it was gonna be as dark as it was, it should have just been from Batman's perspective, like TDKR. I wouldn't mind seeing an edit of the movie like this, re-titled Batman: Dawn of Justice.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

If it was gonna be as dark as it was, it should have just been from Batman's perspective, like TDKR. I wouldn't mind seeing an edit of the movie like this, re-titled Batman: Dawn of Justice.

Maybe someone will come up with a fan-edit along those lines...