All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

[zlucamanz]

honestly PTSD or not batman still was dumbass preson because afther understand who superman was he still freaking killed henchman in warehouse he didn't learn his lesson at all what a trump bias was he.

i would rather had he realize that he almost become what he hate most the muderder the one who kill his family.heck this moment already waste since he already careless killing nameless henchman instead joker or do not kill deadshot.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

So it really is just a prudish reaction to a taboo even though it is just Lex playing with Finch's own words because she wouldn't do what he wanted, but he won anyway? Okay.

I know you're being facetious, but no one has made any sort of argument like this, so I'm not sure what sort of commentary you are aiming at. Anyway, for the sake of argument, Lois says the line about tinkling in order to suggest to the guys that she's not one for roughing it. She puts on the appearance of weakness to ensure that the guys won't suspect that she'd go on any after hours adventures. Finch, on the other hand, references "Granny's Peach Tea" to assert her power. She's saying she can't be fooled. The actual appearance of the "tea" is what reveals her weakness. So there is some sort of throughline related to power, but it isn't consistent or clear enough to be a genuine theme. There are also too many other empowered women in the DCCU that aren't associated with urine for the theme to, um, hold any water.

T_T You're justifying that a jar of urine should be in a Hollywood blockbuster superhero movie. This has become silly.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

The one you're referring to is different in one key respect. You're in the point of view of the attacker and, in a way, rooting for their success

I...huh..what? WTF? You were rooting for Cersei? What?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Empowered women in DCEU are strongly associated with urine.

That's not a theme, that's just Snyder's way of thinking

 

[STARMAN]

Singer was officially hired/announced July 2004. Filming began February 2005.

The treatment for SR2 WAS in development, it just didn't get get further than that.

You're right. I meant July 2004 not 2005.

By August 2008 Jeff Robinov basically admitted Superman Returns didn't work and they would reintroduce the character. It was my understanding that SR2 was no longer in-development in 2009 and they were starting from scratch but did not know how to proceed. Things remained that way until Nolan picked up the phone. At least that is how I recalled things back then but it's been a long time.

 

[Samuron]

I think urine is a major theme in DCEU.

That might explain all of the pissed-off moviegoers.

 

[2kt09]

That might explain all of the pissed-off moviegoers.

 

[titansupes]

You're right. I meant July 2004 not 2005.

By August 2008 Jeff Robinov basically admitted Superman Returns didn't work and they would reintroduce the character. It was my understanding that SR2 was no longer in-development in 2009 and they were starting from scratch but did not know how to proceed. Things remained that way until Nolan picked up the phone. At least that is how I recalled things back then but it's been a long time.

That's about right as far as I remember. Around TDK, maybe a bit earlier, they were still kind of toying with SR2, with a slant toward Superman being shown as "an angry god" (Thomas Tull's words, I think). I can't remember when it was all officially dead, but we got a lot of rumours about WB accepting pitches for a new version not long after.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I believe the reboot was announced in 2009.

 

[STARMAN]

In terms of another Superman film, I think a director may have to approach the studio and push them or the project might just float around in limbo. That's what I was originally talking about with Singer and Nolan. They gave the push and the projects got greenlit.

 

[titansupes]

I agree, but who currently has the clout and interest? Singer was coming of X1 and X2 and had a huge passion for S:TM, Nolan coming of TDK and Inception and Goyer coming up with the whole idea for MoS.

There was a director who recently had a really well received film who publicly said Superman was his dream gig, but I can't remember who.

 

[STARMAN]

J.A. Bayona

 

[misslane38]

honestly PTSD or not batman still was dumbass preson because afther understand who superman was he still freaking killed henchman in warehouse he didn't learn his lesson at all what a trump bias was he.

i would rather had he realize that he almost become what he hate most the muderder the one who kill his family.heck this moment already waste since he already careless killing nameless henchman instead joker or do not kill deadshot.

One does not cure PTSD in an instant. What happened when Bruce realized his trauma had molded him into a monster who would choose murder over saving a mother's life was the beginning of a process of healing and redemption. Every step of his journey after "Save Martha" is what will change and heal Bruce over time. Saving Martha, helping to save the world, witnessing Superman's sacrifice, and joining together with a team of friends and allies are all prescriptions for healing.

T_T You're justifying that a jar of urine should be in a Hollywood blockbuster superhero movie. This has become silly.

Your only justification for why it shouldn't be there is that pee is icky.

I...huh..what? WTF? You were rooting for Cersei? What?

Well, yeah, at least I was rooting for her more than I was rooting for Lex. What Lex was doing had no upside. No one in that chamber other than perhaps the senator who had colluded with Lex to obtain Zod's body and access to his ship were really guilty of anything, and even then that's no reason to kill them. When Cersei destroyed the Great Sept of Baelor in "The Winds of Winter," it wasn't a noble victory at all, in fact, it was quite mad. Nevertheless, the High Sparrow and his cultish religious zealots were out of control with their violence, hypocrisy, and bigotry. And with Daenerys setting out for King's Landing and Tommen's suicide, it was clear that Cersei's moment of triumph would not last. That sequence isn't wrapped up in the same sense of tragedy that accompanies the Capitol bombing.

 

[DeadStroke]

Superhero Spot ‏@SuperheroSpot 5h5 hours ago
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#BraceYourself - these kind of smarmy comments against BvS will no doubt be coming as critics release their #Logan reviews.

lol

I expect Logan to be awesome. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they mention BvS in upcoming reviews.

 

[DeadStroke]

Well, I liked Luthor's speech on the roof too. Martha, Martha, Martha... I think it was funny in an over-the-top and sadistic kind of way. But I'm not gonna try to convince everyone how these things are totally justified and everyone should embrace them.

True. As long as everyone continues convincing us nothing makes sense in the movie its all good.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I sure hope Logan can stop the nonsense that critics don't like dark comicbook movies.

 

[idiot09]

Lol critics can't stop talking about BvS. The movie really hit a nerve. Talking about a film you liked a year ago is normal. You liked it. Raging about a film you hated a year ago is just unhealthy and sad.

 

[misslane38]

Superhero Spot ‏@SuperheroSpot 5h5 hours ago
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#BraceYourself - these kind of smarmy comments against BvS will no doubt be coming as critics release their #Logan reviews.

lol

I expect Logan to be awesome. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they mention BvS in upcoming reviews.

I don't get it. Snyder's BvS delivered a serious tone, and it had a hopeful ending. It was literally about overcoming depression and finding light and hope again.

 

[idiot09]

I don't get it. Snyder's BvS delivered a serious tone, and it had a hopeful ending. It was literally about overcoming depression and finding light and hope again.

thats the joke.Its ironic, its mocking the critics who write **** like this.

 

[Micromind]

It puts Batman into a very unrelatable and unsympathetic position. PTSD looks like a total deus ex machina in this case. Instead of building up certain beliefs, justified by experience and decisions he made in the past, Batman is denied in rational thinking.

Batman justified his actions in his conversation with Alfred, that he was tired of continuing his war on crime in Gotham as it has not yielded any results, crime was flourishing even after Batman's best efforts, and the recent developments of presence of aliens like Superman, who (in his view was not all that different from the rest of Kryptonians) posed a greater threat, the best thing Batman could do was to eliminate that threat to humanity instead of wasting his time dealing with ordinary criminals of Gotham city.

Yes, he was jaded, weary and not thinking rationally, which was the whole point.

His war-weary, jaded state of mind means nothing, because on top of that there's that psychological trauma, which he earned accidentally, and snapped out of accidentally. It just goes on it's own. How do you even invest in a character, who is stripped of a choice? That's why his redemption means nothing for plenty of people.

It has been left to viewers interpretation, maybe Clark knew that Bruce's mother's name was also Martha, and he deliberately used it to get his attention, remember Clark Kent is also an investigative journalist, maybe he didn't.. and it was a coincidence.

 

[TeeKay]

Lol critics can't stop talking about BvS. The movie really hit a nerve. Talking about a film you liked a year ago is normal. You liked it. Raging about a film you hated a year ago is just unhealthy and sad.

Because it was a bad movie and Logan highlights where BvS went wrong? Its really that simple. The reason why BvS is still in discussion because these are iconic characters who was sharing the screen for the first time and it went horrible wrong. Its no different when CW was being compared to BvS.

 

[Micromind]

Because it was a bad movie and Logan highlights where BvS went wrong? Its really that simple. The reason why BvS is still in discussion because these are iconic characters who was sharing the screen for the first time and it went horrible wrong. Its no different when CW was being compared to BvS.

Are you stating your opinion as a fact ?

 

[The Joker]

I sure hope Logan can stop the nonsense that critics don't like dark comicbook movies.

The TDK trilogy already did that.

 

[misslane38]

Seems to me that it's possible darkness and seriousness are more palatable with characters like Wolverine and Batman.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Gotta keep in mind different people were in charge during TDKT which actually let Nolan do his thing you can't compare the two different regimes

And different people are now in charge of WB than were in charge when BvS and SS were made. So you can't say these new people will be just as likely
to meddle with the upcoming movies as this past regime was. The new regime could have the same hands off approach the regime had when TDK
movies were made.