All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

[Erzengel]

So this backup Batman universe is pretty clever business. If people don't embrace the current version of Justice League and its members, they have a fallback while they work on it.

Sucks for people who wanted to see more than one live action JL movie, but it is what it is.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Yeah I like NightWing

But where's my MOS 2, and Flash?

 

[The Joker]

So this backup Batman universe is pretty clever business. If people don't embrace the current version of Justice League and its members, they have a fallback while they work on it.

Assuming this will be any good and people like it.

 

[nyyarod]

Seems like they're not in a rush for Flash because they still have the tv show.

 

[BH/HHH]

Brilliant news on both fronts!

 

[The Guard]

Sucks for people who wanted to see more than one live action JL movie, but it is what it is.

The only way it sucks is if JL stumbles hard. If it's successful I think they'll go full steam ahead.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Assuming this will be any good and people like it.

don't count on it

 

[Saint]

Nightwing is the perfect film to right the DCEU ship.

It basically writes itself. For starters, flashbacks to his time as Robin humanize Batman and add crucial context to his descent into a crazed killer. There's a clear and compelling reason for Dick and Bruce to be estranged. Dick provides a natural way for the tone to shift away from that of BVS without feeling forced or artificial.

A while back I said that the DCEU should have started with a Robin origin story where Dick (rather than batman) is the point-of-view character. Obviously the ship has sailed on that, but a Nightwing film provides a lot of the same advantages. In particular, Dick Grayson can easily be positioned as a linchpin figure connected to many parts of the DCEU (the way Iron Man was positioned in the MCU).

Frankly, I believe wholeheartedly that what the Batman film franchise desperately needs to reinvigorate itself and re-engage with audiences is a batman & Robin film... but this is the next best thing. I was actually just saying to a friend the other day that the batfamily is it's own fully-functional cinematic universe and that WB would be stupid not to capitalize on it.

I hope to hell it's good (or actually happens at all), because if they squander this opportunity, that would just be sad.

 

[Boom]

Nightwing is the perfect film to right the DCEU ship.

It basically writes itself. For starters, flashbacks to his time as Robin humanize Batman and add crucial context to his descent into a crazed killer. There's a clear and compelling reason for Dick and Bruce to be estranged. Dick provides a natural way for the tone to shift away from that of BVS without feeling forced or artificial.

A while back I said that the DCEU should have started with a Robin origin story where Dick (rather than batman) is the point-of-view character. Obviously the ship has sailed on that, but a Nightwing film provides a lot of the same advantages. In particular, Dick Grayson can easily be positioned as a linchpin figure connected to many parts of the DCEU (the way Iron Man was positioned in the MCU).

Frankly, I believe wholeheartedly that what the Batman film franchise desperately needs to reinvigorate itself and re-engage with audiences is a batman & Robin film... but this is the next best thing. I was actually just saying to a friend the other day that the batfamily is it's own fully-functional cinematic universe and that WB would be stupid not to capitalize on it.

I hope to hell it's good (or actually happens at all), because if they squander this opportunity, that would just be sad.

Pretty much all of this. Dick, and Barbara for that matter, would be very easy to write into the DCEU. They became estranged from Bruce after his psychotic breakdown, and have since moved to Bludhaven.

Not only does this provide compelling material for the Nightwing movie via flashbacks, but it also lends itself perfectly to Batman's arc in his own film: that of redemption and forgiveness. Perhaps we discover that Bruce was toying with the idea of reaching out to Dick during recruitment for the Justice League, but got cold feet. I can only speculate on how many Batman films they'll make, but a trilogy centered on Bruce repairing his relationship with Dick would be quite something.

There is A LOT they could do here, and if they're really wanting to bring Batman back from the brink and make him a more hopeful character, Grayson's inclusion is a no-brainer.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I would be all for a Nightwing movie but this is part of the problem with DC/WB, they just throw out movies like it aint nothing. How about working on the ones you already have slated and making sure they are the best of the best?

 

[Kane52630]

So this backup Batman universe is pretty clever business. If people don't embrace the current version of Justice League and its members, they have a fallback while they work on it.

Sadly, Batman has always been their fallback since 1989.

 

[jmc]

So this backup Batman universe is pretty clever business. If people don't embrace the current version of Justice League and its members, they have a fallback while they work on it.

This is actually a valid point and if I'm 100% honest a completely brilliant back up strategy on WB's part. The only question then becomes whether there's going to be too much Batman related material.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

That's my issue we keep hearing new movies announced but no new slate.

Beyond Aquaman I got no idea what exactly comes next. Even 2018 is still somewhat of a mystery as Sirens may or may not come out by then.

 

[jmc]

I would be all for a Nightwing movie but this is part of the problem with DC/WB, they just throw out movies like it aint nothing. How about working on the ones you already have slated and making sure they are the best of the best?

WB themselves probably realise they've shot themselves in the foot with this DCEU project, so they're planning to move onto something else.

 

[Boom]

I would be all for a Nightwing movie but this is part of the problem with DC/WB, they just throw out movies like it aint nothing. How about working on the ones you already have slated and making sure they are the best of the best?

Fans shouldn't hold to that original slate anymore. It is constantly brought up, but too much has changed for it to really mean anything at this point. We are honestly better off ignoring that old slate altogether.

And as I said in another thread, just because a film is in development does not mean it is guaranteed to get made. All it means is the studio is developing the idea to see if something worthwhile is there. And if there isn't? They don't pursue it and put it on hold indefinitely.

They're "developing" a Deadshot movie, but I truly doubt that thing ever sees the light of day. No point in even thinking about it unless something more concrete comes along, such as a director or screenwriter getting attached.

 

[Juan1193]

Well it seems like DC has their backup plan in place in case Justice League doesn't work out. I'm hoping for the best! Fingers crossed for Wonder Woman and Aquaman!

 

[Primal Slayer]

Fans shouldn't hold to that original slate anymore. It is constantly brought up, but too much has changed for it to really mean anything at this point. We are honestly better off ignoring that old slate altogether.

And as I said in another thread, just because a film is in development does not mean it is guaranteed to get made. All it means is the studio is developing the idea to see if something worthwhile is there. And if there isn't? They don't pursue it and put it on hold indefinitely.

They're "developing" a Deadshot movie, but I truly doubt that thing ever sees the light of day. No point in even thinking about it unless something more concrete comes along, such as a director or screenwriter getting attached.

We dont have anything to think that the original slate has necessarily been dropped.

They seem like they are just throwing things at the wall and finding something that sticks.

 

[Boom]

Well as far as we know, JL2 has been removed from the schedule for the time being. The Batman is coming out before Flash, Cyborg, and Green Lantern despite not appearing on the original slate. The Flash is going to miss its 2018 release, and we're still not 100% certain that Cyborg is still happening, at least as a stand-alone film. Plus, films like Gotham City Sirens, Nightwing and Justice League Dark have directors and writers attached, whereas Flash and Green Lantern don't have directors and Cyborg doesn't have a director or writer. So GCS, Nightwing and JLD may be further along than those other films, or may be prioritized over them.

That's quite a bit of shuffling around. Too much for me to take that old slate as gospel.

And honestly, the studio is doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. They're developing film properties. I have little doubt that Marvel is developing quite a number of films that aren't on the Phase Three slate. Why haven't we heard about them? That's a credit to how tight a ship they run over there at Disney. It seems like nothing ever gets out of that place.

Say what you will about the quality of the DCEU thus far, and say what you will about WB's leadership, but there is nothing out of the ordinary about any of this. It's par for the course with any studio.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The Batman
Justice League Dark
Gotham City Sirens
Suicide Squad 2
Nightwing
Black Adam

I think that's probably the upcoming slate, not necessarily in that order

 

[Darkraid]

I wonder if DC is announcing things for the sake of announcing things.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Fans shouldn't hold to that original slate anymore. It is constantly brought up, but too much has changed for it to really mean anything at this point. We are honestly better off ignoring that old slate altogether.

And as I said in another thread, just because a film is in development does not mean it is guaranteed to get made. All it means is the studio is developing the idea to see if something worthwhile is there. And if there isn't? They don't pursue it and put it on hold indefinitely.

They're "developing" a Deadshot movie, but I truly doubt that thing ever sees the light of day. No point in even thinking about it unless something more concrete comes along, such as a director or screenwriter getting attached.

Then why have announcements of these movies at all? Oh, here's a movie we're 'developing'. Oh, wait, here's another. Oh, there's another one here, too. It really feels like the WB is making this up as they're going along.

The DCEU's slate has become asinine.

 

[Greenlite]

Then why have announcements of these movies at all? Oh, here's a movie we're 'developing'. Oh, wait, here's another. Oh, there's another one here, too. It really feels like the WB is making this up as they're going along.

The DCEU's slate has become asinine.

He just said WB didn't "announce" these new films! The trades reported them.

Like Rorshack said, these are happening,

The Batman
Justice League Dark
Gotham City Sirens
Suicide Squad 2
Nightwing
Black Adam

I have doubt about JLD for now, but the rest are rolling forward, then you add possibly WW2 and Aquaman2, MOS after he is resurrected, that's a busy schedule, how many Marvel or Fox movies are "in development" now? And the only ones that are stuck are Flash (own TV show), Cyborg (who?), GL (2011?)

Fox had Gambit and X-Force in development, they are not working but they are going great with Deadpool and Logan. Emmerich and Johns are going for BCU first, and take risks with others when BCU stabilizes DCEU, while we still get WW and freaking AqUAMAN, and The Rock, I am fine with that. That's a solid plan, it's only not solid if people don't like the plan, but it's a plan, clearly.

 

[Steamteck]

Or, you know, it's a good movie, and BvS isn't.

or people just didn't like the themes of deconstructing and rebuilding their childhood favorites or any of a dozen other things. Well. his place hasn't changed.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Nightwing is the perfect film to right the DCEU ship.

It basically writes itself. For starters, flashbacks to his time as Robin humanize Batman and add crucial context to his descent into a crazed killer. There's a clear and compelling reason for Dick and Bruce to be estranged. Dick provides a natural way for the tone to shift away from that of BVS without feeling forced or artificial.

A while back I said that the DCEU should have started with a Robin origin story where Dick (rather than batman) is the point-of-view character. Obviously the ship has sailed on that, but a Nightwing film provides a lot of the same advantages. In particular, Dick Grayson can easily be positioned as a linchpin figure connected to many parts of the DCEU (the way Iron Man was positioned in the MCU).

Frankly, I believe wholeheartedly that what the Batman film franchise desperately needs to reinvigorate itself and re-engage with audiences is a batman & Robin film... but this is the next best thing. I was actually just saying to a friend the other day that the batfamily is it's own fully-functional cinematic universe and that WB would be stupid not to capitalize on it.

I hope to hell it's good (or actually happens at all), because if they squander this opportunity, that would just be sad.

Absolutely (although personally I'm in no hurry to see a Batman and Robin movie). It'll be interesting if Nightwing does become the key connecting figure of the DCEU rather than as most people anticipated, Batman.

 

[The Guard]

Then why have announcements of these movies at all? Oh, here's a movie we're 'developing'. Oh, wait, here's another. Oh, there's another one here, too. It really feels like the WB is making this up as they're going along.

So it's fine for other studios to announce projects they hope to develop, but not WB because...