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[The Joker]

Couple of clarifications, without going into the argument.

So much for "Thats all I have to say in that matter. I have shared my thoughts. Aint gonna reply further."

Who said Zack doesnt think his vision wont be able to entertain the audience?

What do you call making a movie without thinking about your audience and what they would like.

Never said that.

Then what are you going on about with him not thinking of his audience and falling into the trap of second guessing himself.

A complete misreading. He said characters like Batman/Superman as characters are transcendent of the superhero movie genre, but characters like Antman dont have that luxury. He was not talking about BvS the movie, or Antman the movie. He said this in response to the claim the supehero genre would die out like the western :

"I feel like he’s right. But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman.They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man."

Pull the other one, it's got bells on it. He was taking a shot at Ant-Man the movie, because it was just recently released and was a great success.

From whom exactly. Because misquoting or selectively quoting something for a saucier headline is a tried and true trend for news outlets in general (ask any politician). That's not an anti-DC thing.

He said something that sounded great as a combative soundbite and they ran with it.

Exactly.

 

[idiot09]

So much for "Thats all I have to say in that matter. I have shared my thoughts. Aint gonna reply further."

Touche.

What do you call making a movie without thinking about your audience and what they would like.

You can make a movie from your own vision AND believe the audience will like it. Its not mutually exclusive. The train of thought goes : If I as a fan like it, lets hope the audience likes it too. Its not a binary "Ah I am making this movie for the audience" "I am making this movie for myself". I never said its the only way to do it, or thats what great directors do. I just said its a valid approach. You make your own vision, and hope the audience likes it as much as you do.If you think thats not a valid approach, lets agree to disagree.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on it. He was taking a shot at Ant-Man the movie, because it was just recently released and was a great success.

Nope. I have no reason to read further into what he said. What he said was very clear. He even said that he hasnt seen Antman yet.

 

[The Joker]

You can make a movie from your own vision AND believe the audience will like it. Its not mutually exclusive. The train of thought goes : If I as a fan like it, lets hope the audience likes it too. Its not a binary "Ah I am making this movie for the audience" "I am making this movie for myself". I never said its the only way to do it, or thats what great directors do. I just said its a valid approach. You make your own vision, and hope the audience likes it as much as you do.If you think thats not a valid approach, lets agree to disagree.

That's the same thing. If you believe your vision can entertain the audience then you are thinking of your audience. Who ever heard of a director who carries out a vision that they think audiences won't like?

At the end of the day this is a business, and WB are expecting to cater to a very large audience and that means trying to appease audiences. Directors have to carry that through. Why else do you think they are going with a lighter approach all of a sudden? They think that's what people want because the MCU is such a beloved success.

Nope. I have no reason to read further into what he said. What he said was very clear. He even said that he hasnt seen Antman yet.

Even one of the MCU actors saw right through what he said and took issue with it;

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/sebastian-stan-zack-snyder-marvel-dc-war-1201598888/

 

[idiot09]

That's the same thing. If you believe your vision can entertain the audience then you are thinking of your audience.

We agree then. You can carry out your own vision+while believing the audience will like it. Ofcourse thats a factor, never said it wasnt.

Even one of the MCU actors saw right through what he said and took issue with it;

http://www.vinereport.com/article/c...ves.details.about.the.winter.soldier/3205.htm

Like you said, I dont care what a third party says. For all I know, he just read the twisted clickbaity headline. I know what I read, and anyone who has actually read the article knows what he said.

 

[The Joker]

We agree then. You can carry out your own vision+while believing the audience will like it. Ofcourse thats a factor, never said it wasnt.

Good. Because your initial comments came across that a director's vision doesn't have to factor in audience enjoyment because they'll keep second guessing themselves.

Like you said, I dont care what a third party says. For all I know, he just read the twisted clickbaity headline. I know what I read, and anyone who has actually read the article knows what he said.

“Yeah, I’m sitting here and I’m listening to you and I’m thinking, ‘Do I want to fire some shots at DC right now, at Zack Snyder?'”

If he listened to what he said, then he was hardly just reading a headline. But the point is you say he wasn't taking a pot shot at Marvel there, when most people, including a notable person like that, did read it just for what it was.

On a side note, I think a more sensible response to Spielberg's belief that the superhero genre will fade out like the Western is what Fiege said;

"It could, but the Western lasted 40-50 years, and they still pop up occasionally. It's been, what, eight years since [Iron Man] if we count that, which I do, as the beginning of our MCU? Maybe [the superhero genre] will only last another 42 years."

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

They shot themselves in the foot with Suicide Squad because that basically turned any and all PR against DC until they have a critical hit. The early buzz on Suicide Squad was that there was drama behind the scenes and that the film was a mess, a viewpoint that was vindicated when it opened to scathing reviews and The Hollywood Reporter confirmed that there was indeed drama behind the scenes. Now WB is in a pit they need to dig themselves out of, because any negative rumor is automatically carry more weight because everyone remembers the rumors about Suicide Squad being correct.

It was correct with BvS too. Moriarty took a lot of heat over it, but he ended up being 100% right.

 

[idiot09]

Good. Because your initial comments came across that a director's vision doesn't have to factor in audience enjoyment because they'll keep second guessing themselves.

Yeah you are still not getting what I'm saying,you are still treating it like a binary thing. Lets just leave it at this.

If he listened to what he said, then he was hardly just reading a headline. But the point is you say he wasn't taking a pot shot at Marvel there, when most people, including a notable person like that, did read it just for what it was.

I dont know what Sebastian read, so I cant say anything on his behalf. As someone who read Snyder's comment, there is no way he was talking about BvS the movie being transcendent or Antman the movie being flavour of the week, but rather the characters,which is what you initially said. You can twist it anyway you want, you can read into it anyway you want. But thats what he literally said. Thats all.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah you are still not getting what I'm saying,you are still treating it like a binary thing. Lets just leave it at this.

I get what you're saying just fine thanks.

I dont know what Sebastian read, so I cant say anything on his behalf.

No, but if he listened to what he said, then it doesn't come across as reading some passive baity headline.

As someone who read Snyder's comment, there is no way he was talking about BvS the movie being transcendent or Antman the movie being flavour of the week, but rather the characters,which is what you initially said. You can twist it anyway you want, you can read into it anyway you want. But thats what he literally said. Thats all.

That's your interpretation. You're entitled to it.

 

[TeeKay]

Yeah he should've went with his grounded version but what's done is done, at least he owned up to it

https://***********/DavidAyerMovies/status/822948443110842369

Well huge respect to him but he still made one of the worst cbms of the genre. Also so much for that " this film is for the fans" BS he was claiming a few months back.

Interesting for comparison here is Zack Snyder in response to BVS criticism

“I’m a comic book guy and I made the movie based as much as I could on that aesthetic. And so I don’t know how else to do it 100%, so it is what it is,” he said.

Snyder's quote screamed arrogance more than anything.

 

[The Joker]

Snyder's quote screamed arrogance more than anything.

Snyder's quotes about criticisms always scream arrogance. It was fun to kill Jimmy Olsen, I grew up their character, flavor of the week Ant-Man etc.

 

[TeeKay]

Snyder's quotes about criticisms always scream arrogance. It was fun to kill Jimmy Olsen, I grew up their character, flavor of the week Ant-Man etc.

He seems to think he knows better. That BvS quote pretty much sums it up. However his Batman being raped in jail quote or whatever he said was appalling.Of all the dumb things he has said, that one takes the cake.

 

[The Joker]

He seems to think he knows better. That BvS quote pretty much sums it up. However his Batman being raped in jail quote or whatever he said was appalling.Of all the dumb things he has said, that one takes the cake.

If I had not read it myself, I'd think people were pulling my leg about him saying that. Unbelievably stupid.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I've always viewed Snyder for Better or worse completely believes in what he does, and stands by it.

 

[TeeKay]

If I had not read it myself, I'd think people were pulling my leg about him saying that. Unbelievably stupid.

I couldn't believe myself. His interviews are really bizzare and funny at the same time. I remember him laughing at the idea of Marvel making a Thor and Captain America movie. Must be awkward for him now though. He lacks complete self awareness.

 

[FunkMiller]

If I had not read it myself, I'd think people were pulling my leg about him saying that. Unbelievably stupid.

He's not the sharpest tool in the drawer, but really does love axes, so I guess that squares it?

 

[ManWithNoName18]

People bemoaned the "darkness and seriousness" of MOS, and then Snyder did BVS in an even darker and more serous manner. So to an extent I'll give it to him for doing his own thing despite the criticism from critics and fans.

Side note though

I did think the collateral damage thing from MOS was addressed kinda funny during the Doomsday fight.

General Swanwick says something really forced like "thank good they're fighting on a deserted island" and a reporter mentioning that "it's good thing the work day is over and no in is around"

 

[Superchan]

Snyder and his wife are so highbrow it's laughable sometimes. Snyder actually said in an interview that he thought batman and superman standing there talking while wearing their suits is silly so he tried to minimize any non action interaction between the 2 when they're in their costumes.
And then there is his wife who was quoted saying that after the critical bashing of BvS they realized that fans don't want their superheroes "deconstructed".
All this from the pair that brought us the classic movie sucker-punch!!

 

[MbJ]

By both his and Geoff Johns' account the backlash against BVS did however motivate them to rethink what they were doing with Justice League. They both admitted while JL was always supposed to be lighter, the response to BVS made them "expedite" that process. (I'm guessing the original plan was that Justice League Part II was going to be the lighter more optimistic one originally.)

So I'm not sure if he did realize maybe there was something to the criticism, or if WB just overruled him after not making as much money as they'd expected.

 

[Luke234]

Touche.



You can make a movie from your own vision AND believe the audience will like it. Its not mutually exclusive. The train of thought goes : If I as a fan like it, lets hope the audience likes it too. Its not a binary "Ah I am making this movie for the audience" "I am making this movie for myself". I never said its the only way to do it, or thats what great directors do. I just said its a valid approach. You make your own vision, and hope the audience likes it as much as you do.If you think thats not a valid approach, lets agree to disagree.




Nope. I have no reason to read further into what he said. What he said was very clear. He even said that he hasnt seen Antman yet.

I think he should have said it a different way because of just how it's being taken. He dhould know better. But it's not like Snyder to play in the dirt. He's been very classy.

 

[StarWars]

I hate it how Warner Bros / DC brainwashed fans to call it "DCEU" instead of what it really is "DCCU" - DC Cinematic Universe. But of course, DC wants to separate themselves as far away from Marvel despite them copying off of them for the past 3 years.

 

[The Guard]

The teacher really should move WB's chair.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

That swearing was not harmless, it was meant as an insult.

an insult to a movie. and I was generous.

but seriously, I wonder if I should take that personally and play offended myself..

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I hate it how Warner Bros / DC brainwashed fans to call it "DCEU" instead of what it really is "DCCU" - DC Cinematic Universe. But of course, DC wants to separate themselves as far away from Marvel despite them copying off of them for the past 3 years.

Unless you invented it and a part of the creation of these movies then you have no say in what they call their creation.

 

[BH/HHH]

I hate it how Warner Bros / DC brainwashed fans to call it "DCEU" instead of what it really is "DCCU" - DC Cinematic Universe. But of course, DC wants to separate themselves as far away from Marvel despite them copying off of them for the past 3 years.

They were calling it the DCEU so that's what it's called. How is that brainwashing? It's like calling Apple Apple that's what it's called.

 

[Luke234]

I hate it how Warner Bros / DC brainwashed fans to call it "DCEU" instead of what it really is "DCCU" - DC Cinematic Universe. But of course, DC wants to separate themselves as far away from Marvel despite them copying off of them for the past 3 years.

But they're so different, and Marvel fans are happy for it. How are they copying? You mean doing the linked film thing?