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The shaky cam and zoom in/out worked for me...
The non-linear structure was fine, the flashbacks were just far far far too short.
They coulda added another $10M at least if they opened in Australia this weekend too.
In other words, how do you escalate? The reason that the Transformers movies got progressively worse is because Bay showed everything that there is to show in the first movie. There was no way to escalate and a sequel must escalate to feel fresh and exciting and to make the audience feel like it was worth coming back to. I'm not sure how MOS2 can escalate. Metropolis was more or less destroyed. The action and carnage was way over the top. Snyder held nothing back. That could be problematic. However, a smaller story (like Metallo and Luthor) would feel thoroughly underwhelming after Zod. I almost feel like Snyder made a huge mistake in using Zod as the origin villain, who basically ravaged the world, because there is no way to really up the ante at this point.
I have a thought on the film, I'm not sure it is a problem, just a thought (so calm down fanboys, its not really a criticism, just me thinking aloud). I feel like Snyder did this with the film:
In other words, how do you escalate? The reason that the Transformers movies got progressively worse is because Bay showed everything that there is to show in the first movie. There was no way to escalate and a sequel must escalate to feel fresh and exciting and to make the audience feel like it was worth coming back to. I'm not sure how MOS2 can escalate. Metropolis was more or less destroyed. The action and carnage was way over the top. Snyder held nothing back. That could be problematic. However, a smaller story (like Metallo and Luthor) would feel thoroughly underwhelming after Zod. I almost feel like Snyder made a huge mistake in using Zod as the origin villain, who basically ravaged the world, because there is no way to really up the ante at this point.
Completely inaccurate.On the second viewing I didn't have too much of an issue with the non-linear structure though I'd have favoured a more Batman Begins style format to the flashbacks but I get where they were coming from with the method utilized.
As far as I recall, the decision to go handheld was Snyder's and not Mokri's. That's evident in how much fresher the Wolverine's looking.
But yeah, the pacing was whacky. It takes a huge ****ing dip half way through the second act. It really struggles to keep up because it's followed straight off the bat by explosions-buildings falling-punches-explosions-buildings falling-explosions.
It's no point having a scapegoat for such a production. If such things are considered a quote-unquote collaborative effort, you'd think the decisions made were either unanimous or supported by the majority. They're all responsible whether good or bad.
I have a thought on the film, I'm not sure it is a problem, just a thought (so calm down fanboys, its not really a criticism, just me thinking aloud). I feel like Snyder did this with the film:
In other words, how do you escalate? The reason that the Transformers movies got progressively worse is because Bay showed everything that there is to show in the first movie. There was no way to escalate and a sequel must escalate to feel fresh and exciting and to make the audience feel like it was worth coming back to. I'm not sure how MOS2 can escalate. Metropolis was more or less destroyed. The action and carnage was way over the top. Snyder held nothing back. That could be problematic. However, a smaller story (like Metallo and Luthor) would feel thoroughly underwhelming after Zod. I almost feel like Snyder made a huge mistake in using Zod as the origin villain, who basically ravaged the world, because there is no way to really up the ante at this point.
Yeah, I read someone point out how different this ending was to most other CBMs. Usually a movie ends with a final swing or flight with the hero in costume, but this one ends on a more subtle note, yet its still effective.I really love the last few minutes of the movies, it's one of the best IMO.
I really love the last few minutes of the movies, it's one of the best IMO.
I have a thought on the film, I'm not sure it is a problem, just a thought (so calm down fanboys, its not really a criticism, just me thinking aloud). I feel like Snyder did this with the film:
In other words, how do you escalate? The reason that the Transformers movies got progressively worse is because Bay showed everything that there is to show in the first movie. There was no way to escalate and a sequel must escalate to feel fresh and exciting and to make the audience feel like it was worth coming back to. I'm not sure how MOS2 can escalate. Metropolis was more or less destroyed. The action and carnage was way over the top. Snyder held nothing back. That could be problematic. However, a smaller story (like Metallo and Luthor) would feel thoroughly underwhelming after Zod. I almost feel like Snyder made a huge mistake in using Zod as the origin villain, who basically ravaged the world, because there is no way to really up the ante at this point.
Completely inaccurate.
Originally Posted by BH/HHH![]()
You know I'm getting sick of the Superman doesn't kill crap, have we ever seen Superman in that moment where he had no choice? Oh yeah when he freaking killed Doomsday but because he died he's allowed a pass on that one. Reading crap like that article above just bugs me.
Seriously, dude? Get a better example. As many have pointed out, Doomsday is a different situation because he is not even a sentient being - just a mindless animal if anything. However, even if that weren't true, The Death of Superman is a high criticized story. Most of the people complaining about the killing in Man of Steel tend to equally criticize that things like the killing of the pocket universe Kryptonians and the killing of Doomsday and similar stories as equally bad, out of character moments. So your argument has no basis.
Regarding Superman killing in general:
Superman 1 - Superman chooses to "allow" the California missile to blow up and kill millions so he can save Hackensack New Jersey, due to a promise. HACKENSACK ! ( if Lois had survived, would Superman have gotten so upset to turn the world and time backwards? If so, why doesn't he just do that all the time? Let all the bad happen and then go back and erase it! Boring.)
Superman II: He throws a now defenseless (once Kryptonian now Human) Zod into an abyss, to his death. Superman allows Non to fall to his death, and even lets Lois knock Ursa into the abyss to her death. Lois is a killer too!
Why was this OK? Lighter mood, funny, less serious take on Superman?
Superman 3-4-5....killed us allt:
A Justice League movie has no problem if Darksied shows up. The guy can one man the entire league.That's a great point. My argument against it would be that this movie may not have done as well without that level of threat though. Even a Justice League movie has a challenge in pushing the envelope.
Maybe Brainiac owning Kandor fits? I never liked the idea of shrinking Kandor, but maybe they were put into the Phantom Zone along with the rest of the Kryptonians from the MoS finale. That would link back to Kal's origin as well and introduce a more sever threat. This time I hope that they tear up Philadelphia.![]()
Completely inaccurate.
There are a number of things you could theoretically do. But for me, the best thing would be to have Lex run a smear campaign against Superman. And have him bring together, discover or create the Elite. They could easily taunt Superman for allowing so much destruction to happen and even [BLACKOUT]killing Zod[/BLACKOUT]. Imagine them slaughtering world leaders and terroist because it is quicker, more efficient and saves lives. Plus, they would allow for big action, without being repetitive. Their skill set is large and varied.
A film that focused on the fall out of MoS, along with a substance love story between Clark and Lois would work very well imo. Especially if you could find the right balance of mad scientist and business man.
I can already see one of the final shots of the film. Clark, having found out Lex is responsible for everything, floating outside his window, STAS style.
And then you do World's Finest.![]()