All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 93

[Marvin]

Yes. It set the stage for the character and his place in the world for Avengers and was full of useful and necessary character development in it's own right. I really like Iron Man 2.

Fair enough.
I personally think Avengers could have worked and would have actually been more enjoyable if the last we saw of stark the genius was him saying "I am Ironman"
Given the post credit stinger in the first film, kinda makes sense too.

IM2 was a low point in the series for me personally. With alot of "set up" in it I suppose.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

this. the amount of negativity some people are showing is just downright foolish.

There is negativity and there is scepticism.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

There is negativity and there is scepticism.

and I'm fine with skepticism, its the people making comments on how doomed this movie is, or making threads about feeling nothing but dread that I find to be foolish. it'd be nice for some of these people to allow themselves to see the massive potential this movie has.

 

[Marvin]

this. the amount of negativity some people are showing is just downright foolish.

This is the MOS board...it's a pretty pessimistic place.
You should have seen it when the RT score was released.

There's a little more to making a movie than that I think.

I was joking..
mostly.

Batman suspicious of the world changing alien, comes to town to investigate. Superman doing superman movie things. By the end of the film they are a team. Simple premise.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Fair enough.
I personally think Avengers could have worked and would have actually been more enjoyable if the last we saw of stark the genius was him saying "I am Ironman"
Given the post credit stinger in the first film, kinda makes sense too.

IM2 was a low point in the series for me personally. Will alot of "set up" in it I suppose.

Im2 feels like a filler movie in a few ways. I don't think it's horrible, but it doesn't really further the character of Tony either. It's decent.

 

[Nathan]

Well, I like IM2 a lot better than IM3, that's for sure.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Im2 feels like a filler movie in a few ways. I don't think it's horrible, but it doesn't really further the character of Tony either. It's decent.

Feel the same way, I could have totally done without it. Didn't really feel necessary, just basically an Avengers advertisement.

 

[Marvin]

Im2 feels like a filler movie in a few ways. I don't think it's horrible, but it doesn't really further the character of Tony either. It's decent.

Well, for many people it seems, it's was needed to make avengers better and it's what missing in this WF development...
I disagree.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Well, for many people it seems, it's was needed to make avengers better and it's what missing in this WF development...
I disagree.

IM2 wasn't needed because Iron Man felt like a more realized character by the end of Iron Man, not so with Superman at the end of MOS. And I had no problem with that with MOS. He has more of a learning curve, fantastic, let's see him continue to further develop that in his own sequel...oh wait.

 

[Marvin]

IM2 wasn't needed because Iron Man felt like a more realized character by the end of Iron Man, not so with Superman at the end of MOS. And I had no problem with that with MOS. He has more of a learning curve, fantastic, let's see him continue to further develop that in his own sequel...oh wait.

Impossible for that to happen with another hero in the film...oh wait.
For arguments sake, this time I'm going to point to the xmen films(particularly first class). The next time I make this point it will be another cbm to be sure.

That film has a hundred people and a few leads and you better believe critics(cause they matter around here) celebrated the development of Eric and charles and even the lovely lawrence. I guess because the next film has a more than one big name character, we can kiss all chances of dev out the window. Sucks too cause I wanted to see Charles grow a bit. shucks.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Impossible for that to happen with another hero in the film...oh wait.
For arguments sake, this time I'm going to point to the xmen films(particularly first class). The next time I make this point it will be another cbm to be sure.

The X-Men =/= Batman/Superman. MS movies are actually better (not good) comparisons.

 

[Marvin]

The X-Men =/= Batman/Superman. MS movies are actually better (not good) comparisons.

Can a character develop with another star in the film. It's a simple issue that transcends how much Xmen = Batman/Superman.

 

[Deserana]

Yeah I'm not sure what we saw in IM2 that leaded into Avengers that wasn't in IM1... other than that Fury believed Stark should not be considered which is thrown out the window after Stark's first scene in The Avengers. IM2 was filler, decent filler IMO but certainly was not integral to TA set up other that it brought in Fury and Romanov but even they were a little pointless.

At least it was a million miles better than Iron Man 3. But I honestly can't think of anything that was brought up in TA that came purely from IM2, he built some renewable energy device? Well we could easily presume that is something he did after IM1.

 

[Lencho01]

We need a ****ing Kevin Feige. Seriously.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Impossible for that to happen with another hero in the film...oh wait.
For arguments sake, this time I'm going to point to the xmen films(particularly first class). The next time I make this point it will be another cbm to be sure.

That film has a hundred people and a few leads and you better believe critics(cause they matter around here) celebrated the development of Eric and charles and even the lovely lawrence. I guess because the next film has a more than one big name character, we can kiss all chances of dev out the window. Sucks too cause I wanted to see Charles grow a bit. shucks.

When that other hero is Batman and Snyder and Goyer are behind this, that remains to be seen. Snyder is more a Batman fan than Superman. He wishfully talked about directing Batman in a live action TDKR movie before and he had to be convinced to direct Superman. He didn't jump at the opportunity. My fear is that the Batman fanboy in him will just have him geeking out over being able to use Batman now that Superman won't get the amount of shine I was hoping for. Or God forbid Snyder have Batman emasculate Superman in some way.

 

[Marvin]

When that other hero is Batman and Snyder and Goyer are behind this, that remains to be seen.

It should, but instead it's turned into something far different on these boards.

Snyder is more a Batman fan than Superman.

This is how the internet works these days, groundless assertions that people then ruin their own day over. Curious how do you know this?

Curious, why does it matter who the director is a bigger fan of?
Point in case: Which avenger is Joss Whedon the biggest fan of? It's gotta be one of them right, one over the others... Doesn't seem to matter much does it?

He wishfully talked about directing Batman in a live action TDKR movie before and he had to be convinced to direct Superman. He didn't jump at the opportunity.

Curse him for showing apprehension when his career was on the line about talking on a project with as much history and audience preconception as Superman isn't as transparent as it seems....Anyways, I'm sure you've seen his more recent interview pertaining to superman right?

My fear is that the Batman fanboy in him will just have him geeking out over being able to use Batman now that Superman won't get the amount of shine I was hoping for. Or God forbid Snyder have Batman emasculate Superman in some way.

Sounds more like the issue that resides more due to the fan boy in you.
tbh. We do want our guys to win, I get that.

 

[Andreth]

It's because of the TDKR quote they used when announcing the movie. Can you really blame some people for being worried?

Yeah, I hated that they used that quote where Batman is showing superiority over Superman.

 

[John-An]

When that other hero is Batman and Snyder and Goyer are behind this, that remains to be seen. Snyder is more a Batman fan than Superman. He wishfully talked about directing Batman in a live action TDKR movie before and he had to be convinced to direct Superman. He didn't jump at the opportunity. My fear is that the Batman fanboy in him will just have him geeking out over being able to use Batman now that Superman won't get the amount of shine I was hoping for. Or God forbid Snyder have Batman emasculate Superman in some way.

I don't think so... 50/50 and is a sequel to MOS... then....

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, I hated that they used that quote where Batman is showing superiority over Superman.

Hate to say it, but batman is the one man that can beat Superman. This is known

 

[Deserana]

What people seem to be forgetting is that this is not The Avengers and it is not Marvel. This is DC and they may be approaching their big team up in an entirely different way. They could be doing this then Flash then Justice League with the three established bringing in Wonder Woman, then have a Wonder Woman film then a Bats/Supes/WW film then a Green Lantern reboot. With this universe they could be doing anything and don't have to stick to the character film/character film/character film/TEAM UP/character film/character film character film/TEAM UP formula.

We may want an individual Superman trilogy but that doesn't mean they should do one. I'd rather DC had a different approach than them copying the Marvel one film for film.

 

[Nathan]

Hate to say it, but batman is the one man that can beat Superman. This is known

Someone post the Angry Joe videos again.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It should, but instead it's turned into something far different on these boards.

This is how the internet works these days, groundless assertions that people then ruin their own day over. Curious how do you know this?

Curious, why does it matter who the director is a bigger fan of?
Point in case: Which avenger is Joss Whedon the biggest fan of? Doesn't seem to matter much does it.

Didn't matter because by that point, the main characters had their share of solo films and were already developed.

Curse him for showing apprehension when his career was on the line about talking on a project with as much history and audience preconception as Superman....Anways, I'm sure you've seen his more recent interview pertaining to superman right?

Sounds more like the issue that resides more in due to the fan boy in you.
tbh. We do want our guys to win, I get that.

I would say there is a high probability that Batman steals the spotlight from Superman. It just seems to always turn out that way. Batman just always seems to "win" against him or he is just always the cooler one. Call it an issue with me or whatever but when I see Superman has still some ways to go in his development only to find out that he now has to share the spotlight with such a high profile character as Batman, it doesn't sit entirely well with me.

 

[Loki882]

No, the quote didn't bother me at all. All it teases is that the two will have some kind of confrontation at some point in the movie. It doesn't mean that it will be like it was in DKR (Snyder even said that they weren't adapting it).

 

[Andreth]

Hate to say it, but batman is the one man that can beat Superman. This is known

I know, but still. If only the announcement is like this then it's not a good start.


At least you can't blame some of us for being worried.

 

[Loki882]

No., not really. There is absolutely no reason to be worried yet, we know absolutely nothing about plot, characters, or anything important other than the title and logo.