All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 93

[TheIrishAvenger]

http://batmanvssupermanmovie.com

 

[Lily Adler]

Lame title is lame.

 

[MrMaooz]

So..it's officially called Batman Vs. Superman?

 

[Deserana]

I really doubt that will be what it is called.

The Dark Knight Rises wasn't called The Dark Knight Rises when the website came out I believe.

Plus I really doubt in a Superman Sequel they'd start the title with "Batman".

 

[Lily Adler]

I want to say its just a domain name they bought the rights to as a 'just in case' and are still considering a title, but knowing WB/DC and the creative team something uninspired like 'Batman vs. Superman' would seem likely.

 

[MrMaooz]

Man of Steel:World's Finest?

 

[Marvin]

Lame title is lame.

Actually it's a marketing dream if true, alot more than MOS or TDK.
I'll wait till the announcement to praise or bash it with any certainty though.

 

[The Question]

Well said.
Maybe people will stop assuming the worst and start being a little more consistent then.

I don't think it's a lack of consistency to think it's too soon for a team up movie and to not trust the people who made Man of Steel to do it well. I think it's a feeling that team up movies are hard and require more build up than we have right now and Snyder and Goyer aren't talented enough to pull it off.

 

[Marvin]

I don't think it's a lack of consistency to think it's too soon for a team up movie and to not trust the people who made Man of Steel to do it well. I think it's a feeling that team up movies are hard and require more build up than we have right now and Snyder and Goyer aren't talented enough to pull it off.

After the mixed bag that was Cap/Thor/Hulk(s) and IM2. into the Avengers announcement fever, I think it is.

With the people that produced the successful(on it's own merits) in part involved, and with a genre in which sequels tend to surpass originals time and again, I think a wait and see approach would at least be approaching consistency.

Then again, Snyder and Goyer are the devil personified. Even with all the truly bad films this genre has seen over the decades...

 

[Marvin]

Superman vs Joker movie.
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[Ms. Marvel]

After the mixed bag that was Cap/Thor/Hulk(s) and IM2. into the Avengers announcement fever, I think it is.

With the people that produced the successful(on it's own merits) in part involved, and with a genre in which sequels tend to surpass originals time and again, I think a wait and see approach would at least be approaching consistency.

Then again, Snyder and Goyer are the devil personified. Even with all the truly bad films this genre has seen over the decades...

Man of Steel was well received. So were Cap/Thor/TIH/IM2 (no matter what some people want to believe).

But I do agree we should all wait and see.

 

[The Question]

After the mixed bag that was Cap/Thor/Hulk(s) and IM2. into the Avengers announcement fever, I think it is.

With the people that produced the successful(on it's own merits) in part involved, and with a genre in which sequels tend to surpass originals time and again, I think a wait and see approach would at least be approaching consistency.

It's not inconsistent to think that, regardless of how successful Man of Steel might have been by some standards, Snyder and Goyer aren't talented enough to pull off a team up movie. And it's not inconsistent to think that Warner Brothers isn't taking enough time to build up to a team up movie, since Marvel took a lot more time.

Then again, Snyder and Goyer are the devil personified. Even with all the truly bad films this genre has seen over the decades...

I don't think anyone thinks that they're the devil personified. I think a lot of people think that they're not that great at making movies.

 

[Shikamaru]

Goyer at Comic Con said they don't even know what they will call it yet. The fact that he admitted to that is giving me the vibe that this was a last minute decision forced on Snyder and Goyer by WB. It really seems that this is just a box office compromise for the lack of a Justice League film in 2015. Once again, that's not to say that it will be bad but it was not a great choice either.

It is really sad how much DC films have going against them. Even when they get certain characters right on the big screen, they are screwed up not too long after. Good Batman franchise? Screw it up with the most un-Batman thing ever right at the end. Good universe starter? Screw up the rest of it not too long after due to poor decisions.

 

[king666]

We need a ****ing Kevin Feige. Seriously.

 

[The Question]

Goyer at Comic Con said they don't even know what they will call it yet. The fact that he admitted to that is giving me the vibe that this was a last minute decision forced on Snyder and Goyer by WB. It really seems that this is just a box office compromise for the lack of a Justice League film in 2015. Once again, that's not to say that it will be bad but it was not a great choice either.

It is really sad how much DC films have going against them. Even when they get certain characters right on the big screen, they are screwed up not too long after. Good Batman franchise? Screw it up with the most un-Batman thing ever right at the end. Good universe starter? Screw up the rest of it not too long after due to poor decisions.

Bruce retiring was the least of The Dark Knight Rises' problems.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

We need a ****ing Kevin Feige. Seriously.

First you would need a DC studios under WB.

 

[Shikamaru]

Bruce retiring was the least of The Dark Knight Rises' problems.

By "right at the end", I meant TDKR as a whole.

 

[Binker]

Having a WF/BvS film doesn't mean anything bad for Superman, because it's necessary.

For one thing, doing that movie before JL is way better (and my idea, btw) because if not, then Batman and the other heroes would've been showed horned in JL. Secondly, this movie represents what Snyder/Goyer talked about when it came to the sequel once MOS came out, one of them being that "the sequel and JL will be the cause and effect of one another". This and JL is that cause and effect. Third: this doesn't mean Superman's development is forgotten, because he was an outcast revealing himself to the world when his adopted home is threatened by his place of origin in MOS; going from that into JL would be a major gear shift for his character development because there are still things to address like "going global" like Synder said, Lex Luthor, the government, etc. The development Superman would to go through in This onto JL is knowing that there is a bigger universe, other people similar to him, and thus becoming a leader to them. And finally, while I would want more solo films, JL would have to be a franchise onto itself, right? Plus, this is what happened with the Iron Man trilogy and currently with Captain America. IM1 was just him (ignoring the SHIELD presence and Fury cameo), IM2 had Black Widow, SHIELD, and yes even people who wanted Stark to share his tech which became the development of him going onto Avengers, and then with IM3 it was his again with the exception of the Banner cameo. Cap feels the same way, with Cap1 just with him with Fury and SHIELD at the very end, and now with Cap2 we have Falcon, SHIELD once more, and Black Widow. MOS and its follow ups might be taking a page of that, but in turn, giving us more now than later, and the fact that this is a DC Film Universe, and they want to make sure all the other characters fit in and work together in that universe rather than being forced. Why not start with Batman with a sequel that may or may not a WF-B/S film?

P.S. I still want more solo films, but the sequel doesn't seem to be anything but a sequel at this time, and again, JL would have to be on its own, right?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Man of Steel was well received. So were Cap/Thor/TIH/IM2 (no matter what some people want to believe).

But I do agree we should all wait and see.

By AUDIENCES, not critics. And the WOM has been mixed.

 

[MrMaooz]

By AUDIENCES, not critics. And the WOM has been mixed.

It was mixed with Critics.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

We need a ****ing Kevin Feige. Seriously.

Or get the animation supervisor. I think James Tucker's the DC animation head now. I heard Flashpoint was intense and awesome.

 

[Marvin]

It's not inconsistent to think that, regardless of how successful Man of Steel might have been by some standards, Snyder and Goyer aren't talented enough to pull off a team up movie. And it's not inconsistent to think that Warner Brothers isn't taking enough time to build up to a team up movie, since Marvel took a lot more time.

No they didn't, Cap's sequel is a team up featuring half the avengers(ignoring Avengers itself). Ironman's sequel featured War Machine(a character with his own book mind you). Even batman had catwoman. That's not fair though. Batman is the biggest character going right now. The point is that Marvel took just as much time(especially in the case of cap and thor and hulk).

As for Goyer and Snyder's talent, that's a matter of opinion. I for one think they are plenty talented enough. Who's right? Hard to say, so why use it as an talking point?

 

[king666]

Or get the animation supervisor. I think James Tucker's the DC animation head now. I heard Flashpoint was intense and awesome.

That would be nice.

 

[The Question]

No they didn't, Cap's sequel is a team up featuring half the avengers(ignoring Avengers itself). Ironman's sequel featured War Machine(a character with his own book mind you). Even batman had catwoman. That's not fair though. Batman is the biggest character going right now. The point is that Marvel took just as much time(especially in the case of cap and thor and hulk).

Marvel had five movies building up to their team up movie. They laid the ground work for The Avengers in all five of those movies. DC only has one. That's what I mean when I say they took more time.

Also, I don't see how that War Machine example even applies, War Machine was a supporting character in Iron Man long before he got his (short lived) solo series.

As for Goyer and Snyder's talent, that's a matter of opinion. I for one think they are plenty talented enough. Who's right? Hard to say, so why use it as an talking point?

My point is that it's not "inconsistent" to think they're not good enough.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

By AUDIENCES, not critics. And the WOM has been mixed.

The only reception that actually matters.
The word of MOS has not been mixed, it's been good not great.