All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[Keyser Sushi]

Israel is so small that everyone knows everyone and I don't need any future employers looking me up on Facebook on Instagram.

You're Israeli? Cool. Is it true everyone does a mandatory stint in the army?

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Some of you guys really need to grow up and escape this little fantasy land where everyone's out to pick on your favourite comic book characters

I gave it a glowing review and I'll be seeing it again

You are the one that is posting(in a gloating manner) about how it's going to drop below 90 and we need are the ones that need to grow? What was your point exactly?
It's certified fresh, it doesn't matter.

 

[Tony Gunk]

You are the one that is posting(in a gloating manner) about how it's going to drop below 90 and we need are the ones that need to grow? What was your point exactly?
It's certified fresh, it doesn't matter.

No I'm not, I'm poking fun at those who will likely sulk if it does, those who feel the need to investigate every negative reviewer.

You didn't catch on and decided on a snide retort. Why would I gloat if it's a film I really liked? Even minimal common sense would tell you I wouldn't!

 

[jfurioso]

Clark didn't slowly discover the hero inside himself. He always acted heroically

Mm, true. Manifest publicly that hero may have been a better wording.
I did not mean that he kept the hero repressed. But he did hide it from view by acting as covertly as he could.

And Jonathan WAS worried about Clark. Still, maybe more about how he would deal with the burden than just about his physical well-being, even if he had no sure way to know how impervious he was in that aspect. But he knew that emotionally Clark was as vulnerable as any, and maybe more than many, being a sensitive individual from all hints. So the emphasis from Jonathan may be more on protecting him through keeping all that covert as much as possible. But the way people saw it was just about hiding. The abstract larger sense you mention kinda got lost for many.

Superman could have actually come out in the open and never revealed his alien origin. Or waited until the world was ready. Or when Zod showed up and it came out anyway. In the comics it was not an immediate thing. Perry White originally made it known to the public. In the Donner movie Superman lets Lois make it public, with a rather funny lack of logical response. I feel MOS handled that in much more logical fashion.

The concerns of Diana's mother were different, but I don't think we should be reductive of them, either, and they may be developed into greater depth. I do not know that yet.

Picture BvS, but instead of Superman being a mature adult, he's a teenager. Can you imagine a 14 or a 17-year old boy being able to take on that kind of responsibility? Do you think that it would be in the best interests of the boy or the world?

That is why adaptations from the Donner movie until now has kept Clark from manifesting his powers openly until after his adolescence. I never followed Smallville so I cannot say how that well the slow progression there worked out.

But the aspect of Diana being sheltered all her early life while Clark was not remains very interesting. It allows for Diana to experience drastic culture shock in her coming out to the world, as a challenge to her outright idealistic crusading nature, while Clark had been facing the uncertainty of the world ever from the start, in environs where he had more trouble fitting in while growing up. Diana may have also felt isolated by being the only child amidst immortals, but the whole culture appears to have been supportive of her, unlike Clark who only had his parents.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

No I'm not, I'm poking fun at those who will likely sulk if it does, those who feel the need to investigate every negative reviewer.

You didn't catch on and decided on a snide retort. Why would I gloat if it's a film I really liked? Even minimal common sense would tell you I wouldn't!

I'm not obsessively reading every post. I don't know what you like or don't like. I also don't care. The way you wrote that didn't seem sarcastic. Other people didn't seem to catch on either. It seemed petty and I responded, so did others. Are we done now?

 

[jfurioso]

Israel is so small that everyone knows everyone and I don't need any future employers looking me up on Facebook on Instagram.

Yes, indeed.
And sorry, my previous reply should have been that you DO NOT want such stalking.

I recently shared on FB an old pic with a couple of friends at a martial arts demonstration, and immediately there were negative comments as one of them is nowadays heavily involved in politics. I had to take it down immediately to keep things from going into such kind of arguments.

 

[harlequinade]

I still can't with Ewen's face

 

[jfurioso]

I still can't with Ewen's face

Is omitting the actual verb like that a current slang thing?

 

[Dark Raven]

Yes, indeed.
And sorry, my previous reply should have been that you DO NOT want such stalking.

I recently shared on FB an old pic with a couple of friends at a martial arts demonstration, and immediately there were negative comments as one of them is nowadays heavily involved in politics. I had to take it down immediately to keep things from going into such kind of arguments.

I don't think anyone here on a WW forum will mind her dressing up as WW or bringing other things into it. Most of the naysayers seem to have disappeared now anyway. I'm surprised they don't show up even just to say they hated it or they still think it will suck.

 

[Tony Gunk]

I'm not obsessively reading every post. I don't know what you like or don't like. I also don't care. The way you wrote that didn't seem sarcastic. Other people didn't seem to catch on either. It seemed petty and I responded, so did others. Are we done now?

Actually you're the only one. Others merely retorted that it wouldn't bother them personally

I'm certainly done. Jaysus

 

[harlequinade]

Is omitting the actual verb like that a current slang thing?

You must be fun at parties.

 

[jfurioso]

Jonathan's attitude was complex:

SNIP

Jonathan keeping Clark a secret was altruistic

SNIP

Ultimately, for Jonathan, keeping Clark's secret was about protecting the world and therefore the greater good. Imagine the kind of responsibility it is to be President of the United States who has tremendous power to affect the lives of others, but then add to that the impact of something as major as the Protestant Reformation of the Christian church or the theory of evolution on culture and society.

Jonathan wasn't telling Clark that he should never be a public hero or savior, but that he had to be ready to take on the burden of what being that would entail. Picture BvS, but instead of Superman being a mature adult, he's a teenager. Can you imagine a 14 or a 17-year old boy being able to take on that kind of responsibility? Do you think that it would be in the best interests of the boy or the world?

Back to this. I do think Jonathan really never overcame his reluctance to let Clark (and the world) face this critical juncture he foresaw upon Clark's revealing himself. In the whole scene before the tornado, he stated that he wanted Clark to still remain in the farm instead of going out into the world. Not the best way to get ready for how to best interact with society. He still wanted to put off all that as long as possible. Understandable, perhaps, but the more I think about it, the better I think it would have been for Clark in this scene to have been portrayed by the younger actor instead of Henry, as some members here have suggested. Sure, there are some advantages to how it was done, but I think the younger version of Clark would have better supported Jonathan's continuous concerns, and would have made it more tragic to lose his adopted father at that stage, while making the older version by Cavill more distanced of that controversial event, allowing for greater maturity.

 

[jfurioso]

You must be fun at parties.

No, of course I am not.

I am not an English speaker. I have seen such expressions before, not just from you, much as omitting "WHAT THE" from the usual expression "WHAT THE H*LL?" I am honestly asking how common is that practice. It is not a dig. My apologies if that was how it seemed.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

I'm inside guys. See you on the other side! Too HYPED!!

 

[harlequinade]

No, of course I am not.

I am not an English speaker. I have seen such expressions before, not just from you, much as omitting "WHAT THE" from the usual expression "WHAT THE H*LL?" I am honestly asking how common is that practice. It is not a dig. My apologies if that was how it seemed.

I think "can't" and "can't even" are understandable enough to accompany a funny picture one posts on a board dedicated to comic book movie

But I'm not an English speaker either and I'm 27 so I have no idea what kids are saying these days, not really

 

[jfurioso]

I don't think anyone here on a WW forum will mind her dressing up as WW or bringing other things into it. Most of the naysayers seem to have disappeared now anyway. I'm surprised they don't show up even just to say they hated it or they still think it will suck.

I dunno. I certainly would not mind a big posting of pictures given how great she looks, if I may say so without sounding, um, problematic, but things once posted on the web tend to get out of their original context too easily and one does not know where they may end up.

So I approve of keeping privacy as much as possible, even if the fanboy in me would love to see more.

 

[misslane38]

Mm, true. Manifest publicly that hero may have been a better wording.
I did not mean that he kept the hero repressed. But he did hide it from view by acting as covertly as he could.

And Jonathan WAS worried about Clark. Still, maybe more about how he would deal with the burden than just about his physical well-being, even if he had no sure way to know how impervious he was in that aspect. But he knew that emotionally Clark was as vulnerable as any, and maybe more than many, being a sensitive individual from all hints. So the emphasis from Jonathan may be more on protecting him through keeping all that covert as much as possible. But the way people saw it was just about hiding. The abstract larger sense you mention kinda got lost for many.

Superman could have actually come out in the open and never revealed his alien origin. Or waited until the world was ready. Or when Zod showed up and it came out anyway. In the comics it was not an immediate thing. Perry White originally made it known to the public. In the Donner movie Superman lets Lois make it public, with a rather funny lack of logical response. I feel MOS handled that in much more logical fashion.

The concerns of Diana's mother were different, but I don't think we should be reductive of them, either, and they may be developed into greater depth. I do not know that yet.



That is why adaptations from the Donner movie until now has kept Clark from manifesting his powers openly until after his adolescence. I never followed Smallville so I cannot say how that well the slow progression there worked out.

But the aspect of Diana being sheltered all her early life while Clark was not remains very interesting. It allows for Diana to experience drastic culture shock in her coming out to the world, as a challenge to her outright idealistic crusading nature, while Clark had been facing the uncertainty of the world ever from the start, in environs where he had more trouble fitting in while growing up. Diana may have also felt isolated by being the only child amidst immortals, but the whole culture appears to have been supportive of her, unlike Clark who only had his parents.

Interesting points, and I do agree that it's great to have both types of stories told, because different people can relate to maybe one experience more than the other or find aspects about both that resonate. It also makes the composition of the Justice League that much more compelling and dynamic, because each of the characters' experiences allows them to bring something different, but not necessarily superior or inferior, to the table. Their wisdom and talents can be complementary, and audiences have a range of experiences to relate to and be inspired by.

 

[jfurioso]

I think "can't" and "can't even" are understandable enough to accompany a funny picture one posts on a board dedicated to comic book movie

But I'm not an English speaker either and I'm 27 so I have no idea what kids are saying these days, not really

At least we are not making bakery or confectionery WW analogies so I guess we are alright.

 

[jfurioso]

Interesting points, and I do agree that it's great to have both types of stories told, because different people can relate to maybe one experience more than the other or find aspects about both that resonate. It also makes the composition of the Justice League that much more compelling and dynamic, because each of the characters' experiences allows them to bring something different, but not necessarily superior or inferior, to the table. Their wisdom and talents can be complementary, and audiences have a range of experiences to relate to and be inspired by.

That is what I really like a lot. There is always a tendency to compare, and I really like how I do not see that either Clark or Diana are diminished in any way by the differences in how they have been developed. That is really not something that can be achieved that easily.

Normally the contrast is made against Batman with the emphasis on having your parents around or not. But contrasting Diana and Clark, who did have a loving household to be raised in, but otherwise had very different upbringings is actually a more subtle and interesting thing, I think.

 

[Dr.]

No, of course I am not.

I am not an English speaker. I have seen such expressions before, not just from you, much as omitting "WHAT THE" from the usual expression "WHAT THE H*LL?" I am honestly asking how common is that practice. It is not a dig. My apologies if that was how it seemed.

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/08/cant-with.html

 

[Dark Raven]

Off to watch it now.

 

[jfurioso]

I'm inside guys. See you on the other side! Too HYPED!!

The movie opens today here in Honduras. Part of me wanted to play hooky with work and go during my lunch break, but I want to share it with the family, so I may have to wait until Friday or Saturday.

 

[Binker]

Hey guys. Wonder Woman is gonna open up with a new DC Movie Intro. IT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE INTRO TO JUSTICE LEAGUE ANIMATED!

 

[misslane38]

Back to this. I do think Jonathan really never overcame his reluctance to let Clark (and the world) face this critical juncture he foresaw upon Clark's revealing himself. In the whole scene before the tornado, he stated that he wanted Clark to still remain in the farm instead of going out into the world. Not the best way to get ready for how to best interact with society. He still wanted to put off all that as long as possible. Understandable, perhaps, but the more I think about it, the better I think it would have been for Clark in this scene to have been portrayed by the younger actor instead of Henry, as some members here have suggested. Sure, there are some advantages to how it was done, but I think the younger version of Clark would have better supported Jonathan's continuous concerns, and would have made it more tragic to lose his adopted father at that stage, while making the older version by Cavill more distanced of that controversial event, allowing for greater maturity.

Moving to Man of Steel thread here.

 

[jfurioso]

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/08/cant-with.html

Thanks!