All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Dark Raven]

They could have a scene with someone suggesting stars in the sequel, she tries it on then rips it off and says she's not American so why should she need them.

 

[Ardyns]

Oh man I loved this movie even more the second time around. Gal and Chris are pure love. One of the best couples I've seen in any movie. The score sounded really great. Even the excessive slo-mo that bothered me slightly the first time just seamlessly meshed right in with the movie. There are some "flaws" that people associate with Snyder movies (which I don't think are flaws in the first place) but I feel people are overlooking them a little bit. But I don't care either way. This movie has such a great rewatchability factor. I've just got out of the theatre and I'm already missing it, I'm missing Diana, I'm missing Steve. I love everything about it.

 

[Filmfan93]

I look forward to JL: Origins and "The Wonder Woman".

I am not looking forward to "JL: Origins", if you know what I mean...

Ludendorff already reminded me of something very distant and very bad.

 

[javonstokess]

I thought Wonder Woman was a very good movie...with a weird climactic fight.

I'd say it was 90-95% spot on.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

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[screedle]

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread to be asking this so please let me know if I should delete and post elsewhere. When Man of Steel came out I came across a spoiler-free audio review on some comic book website that I'm pretty sure did weekly "podcasts" on various comic book topics and obviously covered movies when they were released. I really enjoyed their review at the time but am having no luck finding the site again. It was audio only and I remember it was about 30-60 minutes in duration. Was hoping to see if they had one up for WW.
Anyhow, if this sounds familiar to anyone please let me know. Sorry for the lack of details and if I'm posting this in the wrong place.

 

[Micromind]

Oh man I loved this movie even more the second time around. Gal and Chris are pure love. One of the best couples I've seen in any movie. The score sounded really great. Even the excessive slo-mo that bothered me slightly the first time just seamlessly meshed right in with the movie. There are some "flaws" that people associate with Snyder movies (which I don't think are flaws in the first place) but I feel people are overlooking them a little bit. But I don't care either way. This movie has such a great rewatchability factor. I've just got out of the theatre and I'm already missing it, I'm missing Diana, I'm missing Steve. I love everything about it.

I will miss this particular 'younger' version of Diana, which was so much fun in JL.

 

[idiot09]

I will miss this particular 'younger' version of Diana, which was so much fun in JL.

Yeah this idealistic naive Diana died after

Spoiler

that conversation with Steve after she killed that General

.

 

[Charlatan]

Yeah this idealistic naive Diana died after

Spoiler

that conversation with Steve after she killed that General

.

Her naivety? yes,her idealism? no. It took her a while but she got it worked out. What she discovered was that man has to be allowed to make his own mistakes and learn from them. And that not all men are good. I'm guessing that she doesn't involve herself in man's internal conflicts but arises for the challenge when something extraordinary is a threat.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah this idealistic naive Diana died after

Spoiler

that conversation with Steve after she killed that General

.

Ok then,

 

[Ardyns]

I will miss this particular 'younger' version of Diana, which was so much fun in JL.

Me too man. But it makes sense.

 

[idiot09]

Her naivety? yes,her idealism? no. It took her a while but she got it worked out. What she discovered was that man has to be allowed to make his own mistakes and learn from them. And that not all men are good. I'm guessing that she doesn't involve herself in man's internal conflicts but arises for the challenge when something extraordinary is a threat.

I dont mean to split hairs, but thats what idealism means?

Spoiler

Diana had this belief of all men being good and under Ares's influence, and that she could make it all "right". That was her being idealistic. Then that notion breaks, and she isnt idealistic anymore. She isnt devoid of hope obviously, as Trevor's sacrifice and later Clark's remind her of that.

As Bruce put it, "Men are still good".

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Remember That Time When Wonder Woman Was A U.N. Ambassador?

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...t-time-when-wonder-woman-was-a-u-n-ambassador

How about we start a petition to get Wonder Woman re-instated as a UN ambassador? I'm sure we can come up with more than 45,000 signatures.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Question for those who have already seen the movie: Do you guys think it'll age well? I think as formulaic as this film was, it can stand the test of time. I see it getting better and better over time. I can't say the same about a lot of CBM's.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Here's the thing about these superhero origin movies being formulaic. There's really no way to get around that in this particular genre. These aren't characters where you can just skip the backstory entirely. Well, you could, but then people who haven't grown up on this crap will be sitting there in the audience scratching their heads as to why this girl can punch through a wall or why this guy can breathe underwater. Unless it's a world like X-Men where all the characters are simply born with their abilities, the origin films are important. And yeah, they may follow a lot of the same beats as other origin films but there are enough differences from character to character and origin to origin that I seriously don't think the similarities are a problem.

 

[-Arya-]

Question for those who have already seen the movie: Do you guys think it'll age well? I think as formulaic as this film was, it can stand the test of time. I see it getting better and better over time. I can't say the same about a lot of CBM's.

It'll be as timeless as other of the great superhero origin films. Batman Begins, Spider-Man, Superman, Iron Man etc...

All have formulaic plots but that's doesn't stop them from being classics.

 

[harlequinade]

Question for those who have already seen the movie: Do you guys think it'll age well? I think as formulaic as this film was, it can stand the test of time. I see it getting better and better over time. I can't say the same about a lot of CBM's.

Oh yeah. It has a heart. It moves people. That's what makes it compelling and something people will wanna rewatch.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Question for those who have already seen the movie: Do you guys think it'll age well? I think as formulaic as this film was, it can stand the test of time. I see it getting better and better over time. I can't say the same about a lot of CBM's.

If we get better female led superhero films in upcoming years, then no.

 

[InCali]

Oh man I loved this movie even more the second time around. Gal and Chris are pure love. One of the best couples I've seen in any movie. The score sounded really great. Even the excessive slo-mo that bothered me slightly the first time just seamlessly meshed right in with the movie. There are some "flaws" that people associate with Snyder movies (which I don't think are flaws in the first place) but I feel people are overlooking them a little bit. But I don't care either way. This movie has such a great rewatchability factor. I've just got out of the theatre and I'm already missing it, I'm missing Diana, I'm missing Steve. I love everything about it.

I liked it too, though I probably won't watch it again until it's released on BluRay (which I'll buy). I forgot about the slo mo stuff which I didn't particularly like, but that's a small thing. I thought I was watching 300 again for a minute. LOL.

I thought the on screen chemistry between Chris and Gal was about as good as I've seen in this kind of movie. I'd put it up there with Tony and Pepper.

Oh and also up there with Black Widow and Bruce.

 

[InCali]

Here's the thing about these superhero origin movies being formulaic. There's really no way to get around that in this particular genre. These aren't characters where you can just skip the backstory entirely. Well, you could, but then people who haven't grown up on this crap will be sitting there in the audience scratching their heads as to why this girl can punch through a wall or why this guy can breathe underwater. Unless it's a world like X-Men where all the characters are simply born with their abilities, the origin films are important. And yeah, they may follow a lot of the same beats as other origin films but there are enough differences from character to character and origin to origin that I seriously don't think the similarities are a problem.

TOTALLY AGREE. As I said recently, the origins are what they are. They can make up a different origin if they wish, but I like the origins; although, let's face it, the CB writers aren't going to be mistaken as Hemingway any time soon.

Do the origin story, show it's relevance to the character and move on to some good story lines. I was fine with the DS origin and felt it was important to the movie AND to future movies. Just don't do anything crazy that yanks the person out of the established character (Are you listening Mr. Snyder?).

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think that when the initial Hype dies down that the film being solid will gain it's reknown despite it being very straight forward and formulaic. This had the same hurdles that the first Thor film had and similar to that film it exceeded in most areas which help it over come it's flaws. Like THOR1 you had to get the audience on board with the world of the character and their back story without bogging the proceedings down, the characters and the world had to be magical/fantastical but also relatable and finally for me, you had to be invested in the arc of the main character. They checked all the boxes. Now I would agree that the villains are problematic but the journey of Diana and Steve, the relationship developing so well and Diana's character being so well shaped by what we saw before and how they changed up the expectations with the final confrontation made up for the general and doctor not being as well rounded and handled better over all.

 

[GothamBat]

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Here's the thing about these superhero origin movies being formulaic. There's really no way to get around that in this particular genre. These aren't characters where you can just skip the backstory entirely. Well, you could, but then people who haven't grown up on this crap will be sitting there in the audience scratching their heads as to why this girl can punch through a wall or why this guy can breathe underwater. Unless it's a world like X-Men where all the characters are simply born with their abilities, the origin films are important. And yeah, they may follow a lot of the same beats as other origin films but there are enough differences from character to character and origin to origin that I seriously don't think the similarities are a problem.

Yea, that's a good point. Just thought that in this golden age of CBM's where most ideas have been tried and mimicked as you said, it becomes hard to stand out even if you're telling the story of a different character. Especially when it comes to making an origin film.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Saw it today. Great film until the final 20 minutes or so. That final fight was a mess. The first time we see Diana fight on her own was masterful, that was just...bad. Not enough to take down the film thankfully.

 

[Rowsdower!]

TOTALLY AGREE. As I said recently, the origins are what they are. They can make up a different origin if they wish, but I like the origins; although, let's face it, the CB writers aren't going to be mistaken as Hemingway any time soon.

Do the origin story, show it's relevance to the character and move on to some good story lines. I was fine with the DS origin and felt it was important to the movie AND to future movies. Just don't do anything crazy that yanks the person out of the established character (Are you listening Mr. Snyder?).

Yeah. Origins may be formulaic, but they are necessary and if they're done well enough, the movies will still feel like their own thing. It's sort of like saying every action movie that features a group of people being held hostage is just "Die Hard on a bus/ship/plane/etc." Yes, there are plenty of similarities but if the film is done well (Speed, for example) it feels like it's own thing. If it's sh**ty (Speed 2) then people will rightfully call it out.

People have criticized WB for doing their big team-up film (JL) before establishing Aquaman and The Flash in their own films, yet once those films do come out, you're sure to hear the complaints of "Did we REALLY need another superhero origin film?" You can't have it both ways.