All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[DeadStroke]

Thor made Hiddleston and Hemsworth stars. Whether they are great actors is another issue entirely.

I think Hiddleston is a great actor..

Hell. No. Next question.

Well said. t:

 

[DeadStroke]

It's amazing how they are practically the same but feel like different characters. Geoff Johns did not get WW at all when he first started writing her.

Spoiler

http://supercanaries.tumblr.com/post/161205558501/wonderswoman-they-did-that-they-really-did-that

The the only animation Wonder Woman I prefer is the Justice League version and the 09 film. Justice League War, etc....yikes

 

[jfurioso]

Geoff didn't write Justice League War but he did write the comic it was based on and she was less aggressive in the comic.

I do not know if the fault lies in Geoff's script or Jim Lee's visual input when drawing it, but while Diana is less over the top aggressive in the scene, having her point a sword at someone in such a casual situation is rather too much, even if just to show the picked-up ice-scream scoop. As someone who has trained swordsmanship even irregularly, I cringed at this break of basic weapon's etiquette. A trained warrior would not make such a gesture, knowing to respect not just the person before her, but also the nature of her weapon.

 

[Micromind]

Oh, that Slate review...

I think Ebert once mentioned that one of the traditional appeal of the movies was seen beautiful people on big screens. It suppose that goes into conflict with certain ideological agendas that flare up at the notion that some people may have more appealing appearances than others.

Insert "I think he's kinda hot" reference here.

Sadly for those people wanting to create the forced egalitarian notion that looks cannot be assigned value, I doubt it is ever going to go away, and a review that shows its writer cannot get past the fact that the lead character is good looking and that is not going to be ignored in its particular context, shows perhaps an even more standing (and rather overwhelming) concern with looks than what is shown in the actual movie.

And well, just the way it states not being able to tell "the white Chrises" apart, is quite indicative. Not just the unnecessary calling out of ethnic appearance (um, again with that...) but also, really, does not being able to tells things apart in order to evaluate them seem rather part of what being a critic should be about?

The same issue was the reason why some UN staffers objected to the status given to WW as a fictional ambassador (she has model good looks, is white among other things) Their reason was it promotes a look that is unrealistic, I men really ?

I don't think egalitarian principle should be applicable here, unless they want the opposite type to be appointed as an fictional ambassador.

 

[terry78]

It was just them trying to be funny. A sight gag that didnt make any sense.

 

[jfurioso]

The same issue was the reason why some UN staffers objected to the status given to WW as a fictional ambassador (she has model good looks, is white among other things) Their reason was it promotes a look that is unrealistic, I men really ?

I don't think egalitarian principle should be applicable here, unless they want the opposite type to be appointed as an fictional ambassador.

Much as it may pain some, the very concept of the superhero hinges on the notion of certain individuals doing the extraordinary, and, being extraordinary.

 

[jfurioso]

It was just them trying to be funny. A sight gag that didnt make any sense.

And it worked better thru understatement.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Geoff didn't write Justice League War but he did write the comic it was based on and she was less aggressive in the comic.

That is true though Geoff still wrote her as very brash and sword happy at the beginning of the New 52 JL comic if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[Micromind]

Much as it may pain some, the very concept of the superhero hinges on the notion of certain individuals doing the extraordinary, and, being extraordinary.

Yes but by targeting WW, they too are guilty of discrimination based on looks, thus throwing out the egalitarian principle they cited for their decision.

 

[Willi Berg]

We already knew ages ago that she cancelled her appearance on there. They cancelled the London Premiere in the wake of the Manchester attacks, and also the press tour. There was no reason for Gal to fly to the UK just to do a short segment on a talk show, especially when she had injured her back and there was nothing else to do in London.

Oh yes, that's right. Makes sense. I was looking forward to it though.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a6/20/d1/a620d11d8aee677aff8bbcf65485fa88.jpg

(Sorry.)

 

[jfurioso]

Yes but by targeting WW, they too are guilty of discrimination based on looks, thus throwing out the egalitarian principle they cited for their decision.

Yeah, that is also what is happening in that Slate review. Most often, these people loudly complaining about the importance given to looks only show how themselves give it overriding importance as well. Just from a more bitter perspective.

As someone who is personally quite far from any aesthetic ideal, beauty has its place, it comes in many forms, in it is a welcome part in existence, even for mere spectators like myself. Trying to normalize it into forced nonexistence is just showing a misunderstanding of how human nature works.

 

[flash13]

So I've seen it twice already and I love it so much! Definitely one of my favorite superhero movies! Going for a third time today.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah, that is also what is happening in that Slate review. Most often, these people loudly complaining about the importance given to looks only show how themselves give it overriding importance as well. Just from a more bitter perspective.

As someone who is personally quite far from any aesthetic ideal, beauty has its place, it comes in many forms, in it is a welcome part in existence, even for mere spectators like myself. Trying to normalize it into forced nonexistence is just showing a misunderstanding of how human nature works.

Well said.

 

[Primal Slayer]

FOX news discusses how they took the American out of Wonder Womans costume...
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...ot-wonder-woman-movie-patriotic-enough/216768

 

[Boom]

Slow news day for FOX.

 

[terry78]

Like every day?

 

[idiot09]

Hopefully Justice League will be Wonder Woman 1.5

Yeah better to temper your expectations. JL was shot while WW was still in post.

Do I think Wonder Woman will have a prominent role in JL alongside Batman? yes. Why? Because that is the premise, Batman and WW recruit the other 3 heroes, while Superman is resurrected and fight against Steppenwolf.

Wonder Woman so far even before the movie released, has been in the middle of released pics, even in BvS. One because it looks cool because of the symmetry(the only women) and because she is an important character.

However temper your expectations. Justice League isnt suddenly going to change because WW was received well. Maybe the 2nd JL, or WW 2 is going to be fastracked. But having unrealistic expectations like that is only setting yourself up for disappointment. But I do think she will have a sizable role like the other heroes because she is an important character and always has been.

 

[harlequinade]

Did it? Chris Hemsworth hasn't had one hit outside of the Marvel movies. With huge bombs in In the Heart of the Sea (100M budget 93M ww) & Blackhat (70M budget & 19.7M ww)

But people know who he is. I didn't know him before Thor.

 

[terry78]

WW may have a slightly larger role now that Whedon is taking the wheel for the finishing up. If we hear about reshoots between now and November, yeah.

 

[jfurioso]

However temper your expectations. Justice League isnt suddenly going to change because WW was received well. Maybe the 2nd JL, or WW 2 is going to be fastracked. But having unrealistic expectations like that is only setting yourself up for disappointment. But I do think she will have a sizable role like the other heroes because she is an important character and always has been.

The marketing may play up WW more aggressively, however.

 

[jfurioso]

But people know who he is. I didn't know him before Thor.

I didn't know before Thor who the Darcy actress was, either.

 

[dhandler01]

Happy Wonder Woman Day!

Bruce Wayne Reacts to Wonder Woman's Rotten Tomatoes Score
https://***********/AfricanRabbit/status/871007625478983681

That...was pretty amazing

 

[Frodo]

Yeah better to temper your expectations. JL was shot while WW was still in post.

Do I think Wonder Woman will have a prominent role in JL alongside Batman? yes. Why? Because that is the premise, Batman and WW recruit the other 3 heroes, while Superman is resurrected and fight against Steppenwolf.

Wonder Woman so far even before the movie released, has been in the middle of released pics, even in BvS. One because it looks cool because of the symmetry(the only women) and because she is an important character.

However temper your expectations. Justice League isnt suddenly going to change because WW was received well. Maybe the 2nd JL, or WW 2 is going to be fastracked. But having unrealistic expectations like that is only setting yourself up for disappointment. But I do think she will have a sizable role like the other heroes because she is an important character and always has been.

At this point, Having seen WW, I'm basically seeing JL for Diana because that character really resonated with me. Of the DCU characters, she's the one who I most want to see again.

 

[terry78]

I do see the irony of the one character out of DC's big three that got such a lack of love over the years since the 1977 show is the one that's gotten the most acclaim lately.

 

[Micromind]

WW may have a slightly larger role now that Whedon is taking the wheel for the finishing up. If we hear about reshoots between now and November, yeah.

Before Avengers happened, Whedon was hired by WB to write and direct Wonder Woman movie, but it never went into production as the Execs were not completely onboard with what Whedon was selling.

I can see Whedon is now just waiting to write some scenes for WW and direct her, at the first chance he gets.