All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Marvin]

There is a difference between "I have disliked everything in the DCEU but Wonder Woman is great" and "The rest of the movies are complete trash and should never have been made and I hate them but Wonder Woman is great"

Just my (mostly worthless) opinion Now back to the greatness that is Wonder Woman!

It is hard to get a read on people's opinions on the film when it's constantly framed as 'the best dc film' 'the best dc film since nolan'
It's like ok, well if these are people that all think the dc films are 'hot garbage' what exactly am I to take away from this. They think it's better than crap?

Next it'll be the best dc film based on a female.
Or if Aquaman is better received, the best dc film since Wonderwoman.

Qualifiers muddle things.

 

[Crimz]

Just saw it and really liked it, except for the last act. It felt really different to the rest of the film.[BLACKOUT] Ares was very hammy, I couldn't take him seriously[/BLACKOUT]and I preferred the great choreography with the sword/shield over the usual superhero punch ups.

Other than that I really enjoyed it and it was the first DC film I saw in cinema in a long time. Looking forward to what they do next with Wonder Woman.

 

[harlequinade]

I felt so many emotions during that sequence. It was one of the best examples in a movie of why superheroes are so inspiring to us. That alone validates seeing it a second time next week. Really hope my mom likes it, as she loves superheroes but wasn't won over by the trailers (only when I told her about the Tomatometer was she interested, lol).

I think Diana's resistance to being told she cannot save everyone is what makes it so moving. It's such a childlike innocence - why can't she save everyone? She is so good and so pure she cannot imagine a reason why she couldn't. So she does the only thing she can - she begins to cross it. And the soundtrack and the look on everyone's faces as she is doing that adds so much to the scene

 

[Venom'sDad]

Everybody has their own way of expressing or describing their feelings or opinions of a film or comparison to other films. It may not exactly jive with you personally or some consensus thought...but that's what make everybody unique, in their view of things...how that particular person see some moment in time.

No different than one person saying "such&such A looks just like such&such B"...while others say, "LoL, I don't see it; you don't know what you're talking about. That's just plain silly."

 

[Saint]

No man's land is a great scene.

But for me :

First Flight>Batman Warehouse>No Man's land.

I don't see them as being on the same level.

No Man's Land has emotional, thematic, and character weight. If the warehouse fight exists for a reason other than looking cool, it's to show how far gone Batman really is--which, since it represents one of my fundamental disagreements with the movie, does nothing for me.

 

[terry78]

Batman's epic moments are rarely as big in scope as Superman's and Wonder Woman's. His involve more smaller moments, like just scaring the **** out of someone who by all rights shouldn't be afraid of anyone.

 

[Saint]

Batman's epic moments are rarely as big in scope as Superman's and Wonder Woman's. His involve more smaller moments, like just scaring the **** out of someone who by all rights shouldn't be afraid of anyone.

My disagreement isn't with scale, but with the story content.

 

[Marvin]

No Man's Land has emotional, thematic, and character weight. If the warehouse fight exists for a reason other than looking cool, it's to show how far gone Batman really is--which, since it represents one of my fundamental disagreements with the movie, does nothing for me.

Batman has a second shot at saving martha and his first act back in the batman realm of super heroics had alot lof thematic and character weight for me.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

The warehouse scene is the first time we see Bruce/Batman work so hard to save another life since Black Zero.

 

[Saint]

Batman has a second shot at saving martha and his first act back in the batman realm of super heroics had alot lof thematic and character weight for me.

And little for me. The warehouse scene shows me a character who has learned nothing and has been unchanged by the events of the film; he has only modified the target of his rage because the circumstances align with the personal tragedy that rules him.

I know the film wants to show me that Batman has glimpsed how far he's fallen and has had an awakening. That's just not what I see in the actual execution, and so the whole affair falls flat for me.

 

[Micromind]

Making a U turn transformation of his character cannot be abrupt.

 

[Saint]

The warehouse scene is the first time we see Bruce/Batman work so hard to save another life since Black Zero.

I think that would have been more effective if they hadn't leaned so hard into Martha. I think it poisons the message of what he's really doing in this scene.

This is why my preference is generally (but not absolutely) to see Bruce's parents referenced as sparingly as possible. I think they sometimes have the affect of muddling the message of why he's Batman.

 

[Saint]

Making a U turn transformation of his character cannot be abrupt.

Nothing I said has anything to do with speed.

 

[Marvin]

And little for me. The warehouse scene....for me.

interesting.
However this is the wondy thread.

I do see why people compare the scenes. They both even has the same stunt coordinator. I personally find the warehouse scene one of snyder's better uses of stakes. with wondy i didn't get any danger save for the potential loss of one of the team. People do see to love it tho.

 

[Ardyns]

They are both great scenes in their own right. However I was slightly disappointed with No Man's Land because what they showed of that scene in the trailers was pretty much what there actually was in the movie. That doesn't mean the scene itself was bad or anything. I wish they hadn't shown it in the trailers.

 

[terry78]

I think the later portion in the village is where she really shines as far as showcasing how powerful she really is. She's like a ****ing battering ram.

 

[Ardyns]

I think the later portion in the village is where she really shines as far as showcasing how powerful she really is. She's like a ****ing battering ram.

Spoiler

The way she levelled the tower was dope as hell. She did kill the sniper though.

 

[Saint]

interesting.
However this is the wondy thread.

Cool. It was also the Wonder Woman thread when you expressed your thoughts on the scene in your previous post, and in the post I am quoting.

I appreciate that that you highlighted the parts of my post that imdicate my thoughts on this matter are my opinion. Some people don't seem to understand what is a matter of opinion and what isn't.

 

[Marvin]

Cool. It was also the Wonder Woman thread when you expressed your thoughts on the scene in your previous post, and in the post I am quoting.

I appreciate that that you highlighted the parts of my post that imdicate my thoughts on this matter are my opinion. Some people don't seem to understand what is a matter of opinion and what isn't.

yea I was acknowledging that we were all contributing to the hijacking.

As far as opinion yea true. Definitely helps when it's phrased as a personal read and why and not a general one. I definitely appreciate that. This place has changed a bit.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

All right, in the seat, eight minutes to showtime! See you on the other side!

 

[Saint]

yea I was acknowledging that we were all contributing to the hijacking.

As far as opinion yea true. Definitely helps when it's phrased as a personal read and why and not a general one. I definitely appreciate that. This place has changed a bit.

Glad we're on the same page. Apologies for any snark.

 

[terry78]

lol, as in the comics everything always turns out to be about Batman.

 

[idiot09]

I loved the Warehouse fight because Batman was doing what he always wished he could have done, he was finally now not powerless, he finally could save Martha. And that is why the Batman warehouse scene was so cathartic, we were finally seeing fully fledged Batman...and that was how I always imagined Batman would move on screen. It was so amazing. MOS flight scene will remain my favourite though, that was the most joyous moment Ive ever seen in superhero cinema. WW's no man's land is a close third for me. All brilliant scenes, and I'm so happy we had these iconic scenes for our trinity. I didnt mean to start an argument, because its all so subjective.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

lol, as in the comics everything always turns out to be about Batman.

no thanks

 

[Marvin]

Is anyone finding that mid run time fight scenes/set pieces consistently top the final fight/set pieces as a trend as far as reception?

For me, outside of blade and avengers(one). It's pretty much a given at this point.

Also just gonna leave this here in case some suit happens upon it. Just saying.
mankhe/kelly era jla was so sweet.