All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Tra-El]

Outside of the clickbaiting headlines by the same ho-hum bloggers that told flat out lies about behind the scenes of Wonder Woman, production seemed to of went by quite nicely. Reminds me of the current Aquaman situation where everything seems to be drama free and off to the races. Aquaman is certainly under the radar and could be the next Wonder Woman-esq breakout.

 

[Thome216]

I think that is so great. It means she ran a tight ship and held true to her vision throughout, and didn't let anyone else 'play' in her sandbox.

 

[jmc]

Wonder Woman II or Wonder Woman:'insert random subtitle'. Wonder Woman Returns would be neat as a homage to both Batman Returns and Superman Returns.

Maybe follow recent trends and just call it The Amazon. Wonder Woman Returns is a bit of a mouthful.

 

[Resistance61513]

So I may be the anomaly here but...

Spoiler

At the end, when she hears the noise and goes up to the roof...did anyone else want to see Batman standing up there ominously, in the classic "cape draped over his body", waiting for Diana to show up. My brother and I joked of Batman saying, similar to the delivery in BvS, "Did you get it? The picture." haha (Obviously that shouldn't have been said.)

But it would have been cool to hear him say something like, "Come on, we've got work to do."

However, I do commend them for having Wonder Woman stand on her own two feet. I think that's something Spider-Man Homecoming is suffering from is the inclusion of the cinematic universe. Things feel like they're piggy backing on each other when, in this film, Wonder Woman manages to make a name for herself.

If anything, I feel the inclusion of Batman would have been seen similar to how Iron Man is being seen in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Probably a wise decision to not include any of the other elements, aside from showing the Wayne logo, to just not go down that road. I really wanted something to build even more hype towards Justice League but I think the success/word of mouth of this film is already doing that just fine.

 

[jmc]

So I may be the anomaly here but...

Spoiler

At the end, when she hears the noise and goes up to the roof...did anyone else want to see Batman standing up there ominously, in the classic "cape draped over his body", waiting for Diana to show up. My brother and I joked of Batman saying, similar to the delivery in BvS, "Did you get it? The picture." haha (Obviously that shouldn't have been said.)

But it would have been cool to hear him say something like, "Come on, we've got work to do."

However, I do commend them for having Wonder Woman stand on her own two feet. I think that's something Spider-Man Homecoming is suffering from is the inclusion of the cinematic universe. Things feel like they're piggy backing on each other when, in this film, Diana manages to stand firmly on her own two feet.

If anything, I feel the inclusion of Batman would have been seen similar to how Iron Man is being seen in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Probably a wise decision to not include any of the other elements, aside from showing the Wayne logo, to just not go down that road. I really wanted something to build even more hype towards Justice League but I think the success/word of mouth of this film is already doing that just fine.

I would have been 100% against that.

 

[GothamBat]

On the subject of

Spoiler

the name "Wonder Woman" not being used in the film,

I think it's often better to show, not tell with something like that.

It reminds me a bit of "Avengers Assemble" not being used in the first Avengers movie, even though there was probably a strong temptation to do so. Instead, the assembling is handled visually, particularly in that one shot of the heroes standing back-to-back.

Spoiler

In this movie, I don't leave the theater questioning why she is called Wonder Woman (or why she might be called that), because it is shown. Which I think probably creates a greater impact than trying to work the name into the film somehow.

They can do that later, if they want, by having a reporter give her that name, or whatever, but I think that could easily feel trite by comparison.

That and she couldn't have been assigned a moniker in this movie because that would mean that she would have become a public figure. Unless a few random people call her that and that same pseudonym catches on 100 years later when she goes public? doesn't make much sense. So I fully expect the name to be used post Justice League and that the reason it wasn't used here was because she was still not out in the public as a superhero

 

[GothamBat]

So I may be the anomaly here but...

Spoiler

At the end, when she hears the noise and goes up to the roof...did anyone else want to see Batman standing up there ominously, in the classic "cape draped over his body", waiting for Diana to show up. My brother and I joked of Batman saying, similar to the delivery in BvS, "Did you get it? The picture." haha (Obviously that shouldn't have been said.)

But it would have been cool to hear him say something like, "Come on, we've got work to do."

However, I do commend them for having Wonder Woman stand on her own two feet. I think that's something Spider-Man Homecoming is suffering from is the inclusion of the cinematic universe. Things feel like they're piggy backing on each other when, in this film, Wonder Woman manages to make a name for herself.

If anything, I feel the inclusion of Batman would have been seen similar to how Iron Man is being seen in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Probably a wise decision to not include any of the other elements, aside from showing the Wayne logo, to just not go down that road. I really wanted something to build even more hype towards Justice League but I think the success/word of mouth of this film is already doing that just fine.

that would have felt totally appropriate for a cartoon but for this quasi-realistic setting? Batman just showing up in Paris? and that cheesy line? haha.. it's a fun little fan-servicey thing to dream up but yeah it's better off staying within the confines of our fan-fics and/or immaginations t:

 

[Thome216]

Never mind that he could have just handed it to her that way rather than sending it...

I like how they did the 'inclusion' of Bruce as merely a written note. They really didn't need anything else but Diana and Steve. The modern settings were nice book-ends, but book-ends shouldn't be stories in themselves.

 

[Tra-El]

I can see the name "Wonder Woman" be givin' to her through a newspaper headline from the war to honor her presence in the battle that sticks to the public's way of identifying with her. Something like "WAR NO MORE: A WONDER WOMAN MIRACLE ENDS WAR OF ALL WARS."

 

[Flemm]

That and she couldn't have been assigned a moniker in this movie because that would mean that she would have become a public figure. Unless a few random people call her that and that same pseudonym catches on 100 years later when she goes public? doesn't make much sense. So I fully expect the name to be used post Justice League and that the reason it wasn't used here was because she was still not out in the public as a superhero

It's something to consider, to be sure.

I think they have some work to do in reconciling this movie with the relevant dialogue in BvS, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ideas regarding WW presented in BvS just end up getting dropped, tbh. We'll see.

 

[Dark Raven]

So I may be the anomaly here but...

Spoiler

At the end, when she hears the noise and goes up to the roof...did anyone else want to see Batman standing up there ominously, in the classic "cape draped over his body", waiting for Diana to show up. My brother and I joked of Batman saying, similar to the delivery in BvS, "Did you get it? The picture." haha (Obviously that shouldn't have been said.)

But it would have been cool to hear him say something like, "Come on, we've got work to do."

However, I do commend them for having Wonder Woman stand on her own two feet. I think that's something Spider-Man Homecoming is suffering from is the inclusion of the cinematic universe. Things feel like they're piggy backing on each other when, in this film, Wonder Woman manages to make a name for herself.

If anything, I feel the inclusion of Batman would have been seen similar to how Iron Man is being seen in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Probably a wise decision to not include any of the other elements, aside from showing the Wayne logo, to just not go down that road. I really wanted something to build even more hype towards Justice League but I think the success/word of mouth of this film is already doing that just fine.

Spoiler

That would've been awful and would almost suggest that WW can't stand on her own without the help of Batman to show up. As you said, it would be like Iron Man showing up in Spider-Man.

I was glad no other heroes showed up. And while it had references to Bruce Wayne and the photograph that appeared in BvS, in years to come, if this movie becomes a classic and the other earlier DCEU films are forgotten, it could really refer to any Batman, and not necessarily the Batfleck version. I think this movie stands up well enough on its own.

 

[Resistance61513]

I would have been 100% against that.

Kind of figured that would be the general consensus. Especially since a lot of people are seeing this as an empowering portrayal/a win for women in Hollywood, the inclusion of Batman would have probably been seen as nothing more than a hinderance.

that would have felt totally appropriate for a cartoon but for this quasi-realistic setting? Batman just showing up in Paris? and that cheesy line? haha.. it's a fun little fan-servicey thing to dream up but yeah it's better off staying within the confines of our fan-fics and/or immaginations t:

I'll give you the cheesy line. haha Even if it's something Batman would totally say and yeah, it's probably best to just stay in cartoons and the like but, I think the suspension of disbelief can still be acquired. (In regards to him just showing up.) They have been doing the "Bat-God" story lines as of late. haha

 

[jmc]

Kind of figured that would be the general consensus. Especially since a lot of people are seeing this as an empowering portrayal/a win for women in Hollywood, the inclusion of Batman would have probably been seen as nothing more than a hinderance.

I would go so far to say it would have ruined the movie for me. And I'm a Batman guy.

 

[Thome216]

It's something to consider, to be sure.

I think they have some work to do in reconciling this movie with the relevant dialogue in BvS, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ideas regarding WW presented in BvS just end up getting dropped, tbh. We'll see.

More than likely. This is a prequel written after the sequel, when I don't think the character's backstory was fully fleshed. Her dialogue in BvS was cool, but once you start going into the story, her just abandoning the world doesn't fit after everything she's now done in WW.

In the end, she gained a new belief and love in Man-kind and you don't get the feeling that she just walked away as you do when watching BvS.

If something happened to really make her pull back from the world, then it wasn't addressed here.

 

[-Arya-]

Yeah if Batman appeared at the end it would have been awful. WB doesn't need to shoehorn Batman in to every damn DC movie. Thank goodness that didn't happen with WW.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah if Batman appeared at the end it would have been awful. WB doesn't need to shoehorn Batman in to every damn DC movie. Thank goodness that didn't happen with WW.

Now on the other hand, shoehorning WW into every DCEU movie from now on is another matter.

 

[-Arya-]

Now on the other hand, shoehorning WW into every DCEU movie from now on is another matter.

I'd honestly like as little cameos as possible so that when we get sequels, it feels like enough time has passed before some burnout starts to occur. Over on Marvel's side, I'm seriously exhausted from seeing Iron Man everywhere.

 

[StormC]

Wonder Woman: Paradise Lost would be a pretty cool title.

 

[Resistance61513]

I'd honestly like as little cameos as possible so that when we get sequels, it feels like enough time has passed before some burnout starts to occur. Over on Marvel's side, I'm seriously exhausted from seeing Iron Man everywhere.

That's a good/fair/level headed point to make.

It's honestly something I haven't really considered. I agree that, in Marvel's universe, the spectacle of seeing these heroes on screen seems to be lost. Especially when, in practically every film, you see them. Even if for a brief period of time.

I think, as many are stating, I guess Batman can be seen as WB's/DC's Ironman. They think that his inclusion is necessary when, in reality, it doesn't allow for other properties to breathe/make their own identities. (Something Wonder Woman managed to achieve)

It's definitely the fan service in me/how it looks in my head, it looks incredibly bad ass seeing the two of them stand on top of that Paris rooftop. I honestly didn't care for the ending shot of Wonder Woman. That was the only thing I thought was weak of the film. Aside from that, everything else was absolutely phenomenal. (Regardless of naysayers wanting to say it did nothing original; repeated the Captain America: First Avenger formula) That's something I despise so much hearing from people...

Since I was two, Spider-Man & Batman are the only two hero properties I care about. Growing up, I couldn't really get into any of the other ones. Just never became a fan. I enjoy watching their movies but, I'd never go out of my way to read their comics or play their video games.

That's another thing I didn't really take into consideration, it'd be selfish to want the inclusion of Batman because then it detracts from the win these characters receive on their own. For fans who adore them for the differing property they are.

This was definitely a fine win for Wonder Woman fans.

 

[StormC]

That's pretty typical of the difference between DC and Marvel in their books. In DC, characters crossing over is a huge deal, usually designated for crossover books or a very special event in one of the characters' books. In Marvel, you could have an issue of Spider-Man where he swings past Daredevil and stops to eat McDonalds with him on the rooftop.

Neither is right or wrong, both are just different approaches and have their pros and cons. That said, for an origin story, it was the right call to show some restraint.

 

[jmc]

I'd honestly like as little cameos as possible so that when we get sequels, it feels like enough time has passed before some burnout starts to occur. Over on Marvel's side, I'm seriously exhausted from seeing Iron Man everywhere.

I get the feeling post Justice League each character is essentially going to exist within their own little corner of the DCEU with no interaction with anyone else. De facto separate universes.

 

[Dark Raven]

Wonder Woman: Paradise Lost would be a pretty cool title.

Then they should adapt that storyline from the Justice League cartoon where Felix Faust forces Diana to retrieve various artefacts around the world in exchange for the lives of all the Amazons, whom he has turned to stone. These artefacts will bring back Ares who has been imprisoned. They don't have to make it about Ares but it can be someone else that Faust is working for. This would allow her to globe trot all over the world and also could explain why she's working as a curator in the Louvre later on as she's safeguarding certain artefacts.

 

[-Arya-]

I get the feeling post Justice League each character is essentially going to exist within their own little corner of the DCEU with no interaction with anyone else. De facto separate universes.

I think so too. WB learned that you can't rush a universe. Hopefully by comic con we'll have some concrete information about DC films post JL. Right now it's only Aquaman with a 2018 release date.

 

[Thome216]

Give me sequel now!!

I don't need to see Cyborg or even Flash. Maybe Aquaman.

Just give me MoS2, The Batman, and WW2 and I'll consume JL while I'm waiting.

 

[king666]

Watched it for a second time today.

I absolutely love this movie.