All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[MydnightPhoenix]

I would have liked for Diana to tell her story to a grieving Lois.

 

[Flemm]

If something happened to really make her pull back from the world, then it wasn't addressed here.

Yeah, the problem I see is that

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the movie's closing scene in the modern era follows logically from the end of the main story. She may have had a crisis of faith in humanity, but Steve's sacrifice resolved that crisis and the story ends in victory at great cost and within a very dark historical context.

She then had a decision to make about charting her course into the future, and the closing scene suggests that she made it: she decided to stay, in spite of humanity's capacity for evil.

The director seems very attached to that core message of the film.

So the idea that she retreated from the world somewhere in between doesn't seem to really fit.

Maybe there is another element somewhere that could reconcile those ideas, or a story to develop around that. But anyway, this film suggests that she is going to stay engaged in the world and try to be a positive force.

 

[jmc]

Just pretend like it didn't happen.

 

[Boom]

I happily ignored BvS for the sake of what this film was trying to do.

 

[Benal]

Liked the movie. Great heart.

The action sucked though. I guess you need more than Snyders second unit director. You need Snyder.

 

[Marvolo]

Justt read that WB almost put the axe to the No Man's Land scene.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/wonder-woman-s-badass-no-man-s-land-scene-almost-a-no-go-481-02


Thank god, Patty was able to get that scene in the film. Such a fantastic scene.

 

[Boom]

It floors me that there was even an idea to remove that sequence. The fact that there were actual discussions about it is disturbing.

 

[jmc]

I can't imagine this movie without that scene. That's the moment she becomes Wonder Woman.

 

[Broseph44]

Oh WB, almost made a devastating mistake there.

 

[terry78]

lol, she's a superhero, what was she gonna fight, bullets? - WB execs

 

[Flemm]

I'm sure they really didn't want to remove it.

They obviously knew it was going to be a legendary sequence and wanted to be a part of the story

 

[John Locke]

The fact that the WB let them keep the No Man's Scene is a good sign.

 

[GothamBat]

Mr Sunday movies took issue with Isabelle Maru and Ludendorf speaking English to each other and called the movie out on that. I haven't seen the movie yet but does Ludendorf speak english to other Germans? because him and Maru speaking English makes total sense. Isabelle isn't supposed to be German

 

[-Arya-]

The current WB executives need a swift ****ing kick in the head.

 

[StormC]

Also, I took my mom to see it and she loved it. She even successfully called it coming when

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Sir Patrick was Ares, something I was blind sighted by on the first watch.

I haven't seen the movie yet but does Ludendorf speak english to other Germans?

Yes.

 

[DACrowe]

So I may be the anomaly here but...

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At the end, when she hears the noise and goes up to the roof...did anyone else want to see Batman standing up there ominously, in the classic "cape draped over his body", waiting for Diana to show up. My brother and I joked of Batman saying, similar to the delivery in BvS, "Did you get it? The picture." haha (Obviously that shouldn't have been said.)

But it would have been cool to hear him say something like, "Come on, we've got work to do."

However, I do commend them for having Wonder Woman stand on her own two feet. I think that's something Spider-Man Homecoming is suffering from is the inclusion of the cinematic universe. Things feel like they're piggy backing on each other when, in this film, Wonder Woman manages to make a name for herself.

If anything, I feel the inclusion of Batman would have been seen similar to how Iron Man is being seen in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Probably a wise decision to not include any of the other elements, aside from showing the Wayne logo, to just not go down that road. I really wanted something to build even more hype towards Justice League but I think the success/word of mouth of this film is already doing that just fine.

No this movie is all about Diana taking her long overdue spotlight. It is her story. That kind of hacky fan service is why so many Marvel Studios films no longer work for me. (Mind you they work better than BvS... but that points to the same problem when you think about it!)

I think the jump itself was a bit on the nose, but whatever, the movie earned its big superhero finish.

 

[Dark Raven]

In Germany where it's probably all dubbed, I'm sure everyone speaks German to one another, even the Amazons.

 

[GothamBat]

In Germany where it's probably all dubbed, I'm sure everyone speaks German to one another, even the Amazons.

never would have guessed

 

[DACrowe]

lol, she's a superhero, what was she gonna fight, bullets? - WB execs

Why do you want Superman catching helicopters?! He's a superhero, he should be snapping Zod's neck!

 

[Ardyns]

There's something I'm not quite getting, maybe you guys can clear things up. When Diana is talking about all men not being good and that she learned that the hard way, she's speaking from a time in the present. And when we see her at the end of the movie as WW, it is after the events of BvS, where her faith in humanity has been reinvigorated somewhat after Superman's sacrifice, and she's now actively trying to help out in the world. There's nothing in the movie to suggest that she didn't walk away after WW1 from trying to save the world from its own mistakes. Or am I getting it wrong?

 

[Black Narcissus]

I think her costume in this film is near perfect. Only thing I'd change is to make the skirt a little longer. But WW is one of the few female superheroes I don't want to see "covered up" with pants or whatever, because the battle skirt fits the Amazon look.

Agreed.

But I do want to see her wear her bracelets with civilian clothes. The outfit she wore while she got on the plane in BvS would look cool af with her bracelets.

 

[jmc]

There's something I'm not quite getting, maybe you guys can clear things up. When Diana is talking about all men not being good and that she learned that the hard way, she's speaking from a time in the present. And when we see her at the end of the movie as WW, it is after the events of BvS, where her faith in humanity has been reinvigorated somewhat after Superman's sacrifice, and she's now actively trying to help out in the world. There's nothing in the movie to suggest that she didn't walk away after WW1 from trying to save the world from its own mistakes. Or am I getting it wrong?

I get the feeling this series is going to suffer from the same continuity issues as X-men.

 

[Flemm]

Or am I getting it wrong?

I will have to see the movie again with your interpretation in mind.

All I can say is that, upon my initial viewing, there was no sense of a gap in logic that would need to be filled by the events of BvS.

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I thought her decision to stay flowed from the events of this movie.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I know Patty said WW would now be based in the US, but it feels like a waste. I want to see WW in exotic places, the goddamn jungle for instance. lol Eh.

 

[DACrowe]

I get the feeling this series is going to suffer from the same continuity issues as X-men.

Yes. But if that means movies like Logan and Wonder Woman are really good, I could care less if they do not match up perfectly with Batman v Superman or X-Men: Apocalypse.

But yes, this is the first of what likely will become many such fissures.