All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Willi Berg]

It does seem like we will be getting WW2 in 2020!

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Looking forward to reading this Warbringer novel.

Ugh, no..

Show him but he's an illusion ..like how Pa Kent appeared in BvS, to support what she's doing.

 

[Dark Raven]

2020 is too far away for WW2. That could lose the momentum built. They should schedule it for 2019 instead. We don't really need other films like Cyborg, Black Adam or even another Suicide Squad before then.

 

[UncleSam1776]

2020 is too far away for WW2. That could lose the momentum built.

I disagree.

3 year gap between CA:TFA to CA:WS
3 year gap between Avengers to AoU
3 year gap between GotG Vol 1 to GotG Vol 2

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah, I don't see any momentum being lost at all, really. People will still show up. Even going further back, there was a four year gap between Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises. The wait won't matter- if the interest is still there, then people will be there regardless of the waiting period.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well Star Trek 2009 lost momentum after waiting for 4 years for the sequel.

And the point is also that do we really need Cyborg or Black Adam etc before we get WW2, just because WB/DC already thought of making those? WW2 is more of a sure bet than Cyborg.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Well Star Trek 2009 lost momentum after waiting for 4 years for the sequel.

And the point is also that do we really need Cyborg or Black Adam etc before we get WW2, just because WB/DC already thought of making those? WW2 is more of a sure bet than Cyborg.

Outside of what-ever comic book fans they have, does anyone really care about either of those two? I think WB would have better luck remaking a Catwoman and a Supergirl movie than those two.
At least most people have heard of Catwoman and Supergirl and those two deserve a good movie instead of the crap-fest they got the first time around.

 

[Micromind]

Well Star Trek 2009 lost momentum after waiting for 4 years for the sequel.

And the point is also that do we really need Cyborg or Black Adam etc before we get WW2, just because WB/DC already thought of making those? WW2 is more of a sure bet than Cyborg.

I posted this in JL Lounge thread -

I think after Wonder Woman's mega success (It's going to be The fourth highest grossing movie in US after TDK, TDKR and HP Deathly Hallows Part 2 and may soon overtake it to be ranked third on the list.) WB are placed in a tricky situation..

They can't say that First we will release Gotham City Sirens, Suicide Squad 2, Batgirl, The Batman, Cyborg, Nightwing, Black Adam, Shazam, Flash, Green Lantern Corps, Man of Steel 2, JL Dark, Justice League 2 and then Wonder Woman 2 in 2025.

(going by 2 DC movies per year formula.) They can't do that.

They cannot afford to lose momentum or green-light and release movies that will not be as successful instead of WW 2.

 

[Micromind]

If the Warner Bros. executives plan to release WW 2 after 2020, good luck to them, as AT&T and Time Warner's board members and investors will ask them tough questions and they will risk losing their jobs.

 

[NotNickFury]

Star Trek doesn't overlook the still maintained success and interest for the aforementioned sequels like Age of Ultron, Rises, Civil War, and many others. Besides, we don't know what momentum will be built for supporting characters because of JL.

After all, how much momentum or interest was there from the general public for Wonder Woman prior to anything we got of her in BvS? Probably not much. Then she shows up, blows people away and there's sudden interest in her solo film. Same with Suicide Squad 2 or Gotham City Sirens because of the money SS made, not to mention Harley Quinn exploding in popularity. Same could easily happen for the likes of Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, or anyone else who could get a moment to shine in Justice League. If Diana left next to no impression in Dawn of Justice, would there really be as much interest in her solo film prior to its release? I doubt it.

 

[Willi Berg]

I don't think 2020 is too far away. It's actually not that far away and quite common a gap. Plus WW is also being seen in the JL movies. We're getting quite a bit of WW, starting from BvS.

I also agree, why not give some of these other DC characters a chance to shine and to establish themselves.

Here is an interview with Patty. She's not giving much away, but the interviewer asks her and Chris Pine about Steve Trevor:

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[Osiris-Rex]

WB should just scrap Cyborg, Black Adam, and Shazam. No one would miss them or care other than the people who freak out anytime WB makes a schedule change. I'd pencil in WW2 right after The Batman and put GCS, SS2 or Batgirl after WW2.
Basically

1. Batgirl or Gotham City Sirens 2018
2. The Batman 2019
3 The Flash 2019
4. Wonder Woman 2 2019
5. or Gotham City Sirens / Batgirl 2020, whichever didn't make 2018
6. Man of Steel 2 2020
7. Suicide Squad 2 2020
8. Green Lantern Corp. 2021
9. Nightwing 2021
10. Justice Leagues 2 2021.

 

[Dark Raven]

WB should just scrap Cyborg, Black Adam, and Shazam. No one would miss them or care other than the people who freak out anytime WB makes a schedule change. I'd pencil in WW2 right after The Batman and put GCS, SS2 or Batgirl after WW2.
Basically

1. Batgirl or Gotham City Sirens 2018
2. The Batman 2019
3 The Flash 2019
4. Wonder Woman 2 2019
5. or Gotham City Sirens / Batgirl 2020, whichever didn't make 2018
6. Man of Steel 2 2020
7. Suicide Squad 2 2020
8. Green Lantern Corp. 2021
9. Nightwing 2021
10. Justice Leagues 2 2021.

This. Cyborg or Black Adam etc might also only get the same kind of reception as previous DCEU entries. It would be as if WB/DC thought "great, we've had a well-received and universally praised female CBM, so let's go back to making male-dominated ones that may not even be well received." That would be madness.

If the Warner Bros. executives plan to release WW 2 after 2020, good luck to them, as AT&T and Time Warner's board members and investors will ask them tough questions and they will risk losing their jobs.

Also, Diana isn't meant to age. If we were to wait say, 8 years, until 2025 to allow others to shine in the meantime, then Gal would be 40 years old for WW2.

I don't think 2020 is too far away. It's actually not that far away and quite common a gap. Plus WW is also being seen in the JL movies. We're getting quite a bit of WW, starting from BvS.

I also agree, why not give some of these other DC characters a chance to shine and to establish themselves.

Here is an interview with Patty. She's not giving much away, but the interviewer asks her and Chris Pine about Steve Trevor:

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The public are hungry for more WW, so why say "ok, here's Cyborg and Black Adam instead"? They don't need to be established.

 

[NotNickFury]

To do as has been stated and what's worked for others- take a chance on other characters that could do well. Why be pessimistic that they'll be middle of the road when they could end up being well-received? The general public may have wanted more Iron Man after Age of Ultron, but the MCU put out Ant Man directly following AoU instead. And then literally expanded him in Civil War.

It's not exactly unprecedented to take a chance on new characters and I'm not seeing here why DC shouldn't take that same risk other than people just wanting more Wonder Woman in lieu of how well the film has been received, that or them just not caring for the other characters, which is a perfectly acceptable reason for wanting one film over another, but again, not how it's always worked. I mean, if WW had been a bust, doubtful anyone would be clamoring that she get a sequel fast tracked over other DC properties. Obviously, that's not what happened, but no need to sideline other characters who DC may have in the pipeline.

 

[Dark Raven]

To do as has been stated and what's worked for others- take a chance on other characters that could do well? Why be pessimistic that they'll be middle of the road when they could end up being well-received? The general public may have wanted more Iron Man after Age of Ultron, but the MCU put out Ant Man directly following AoU instead. And then literally expanded him in Civil War.

It's not exactly unprecedented to take a chance on new characters and I'm not seeing here why DC shouldn't take that same risk other than people just wanting more Wonder Woman in lieu of how well the film has been received, that or them just not caring for the other characters, which is a perfectly acceptable reason for wanting one film over another, but again, not how it's always worked.

People have wanted a WW movie for decades. There has been no such demand for the likes of Cyborg. People have also wanted to see a good female-led CBM for years too. WW is iconic. Cyborg is nowhere near in the same league.

For Marvel, they were already far more established and successful by the time Ant-Man rolled around. The DCEU has only really had universal success and praise with WW. This has been the movie that has caught the imagination of the public. WB/DC aren't quite in that safe place like Marvel to just put out anything, where each of their movies will be equally well received like it is with the Marvel brand which almost sells itself now. WB/DC don't yet have the "DC brand". If anything, it's the WW brand. She is the big draw.

 

[-Arya-]

In all honesty if WB decided to scrap Gotham City Sirens and SS 2, I wouldn't care. There are other characters I'd rather see on screen.

 

[NotNickFury]

She's now the big draw after Dawn of Justice and her own film, not always. And even then, Iron Man wasn't exactly a household name in 2008 even compared to the Hulk, who was arguably more recognizable thanks to both the series and the Ang Lee film. Could've began there, but no. Went with a character that arguably few could name anyone from his rogues' gallery.

At this point, this is a back and forth and folks can prefer a Wonder Woman sequel over other characters, but still not seeing the downside of taking the same risk with an unfamiliar or unknown character when there was just as much of a risk at doing a Wonder Woman film. Or, heck, even Aquaman.

 

[Willi Berg]

People have wanted a WW movie for decades. There has been no such demand for the likes of Cyborg. People have also wanted to see a good female-led CBM for years too. WW is iconic. Cyborg is nowhere near in the same league.

For Marvel, they were already far more established and successful by the time Ant-Man rolled around. The DCEU has only really had universal success and praise with WW. This has been the movie that has caught the imagination of the public. WB/DC aren't quite in that safe place like Marvel to just put out anything, where each of their movies will be equally well received like it is with the Marvel brand which almost sells itself now. WB/DC don't yet have the "DC brand". If anything, it's the WW brand. She is the big draw.

A WW sequel looks to be announced for 2020. So the good news is that we are getting a sequel, and in 3 years, which is pretty standard gap. Superman didn't get a direct sequel. He appeared in his next movie 3 years later. Nolan's Batman movies had 3 year gaps. But all you want to do is complain.

And you want to rush another WW movie out. When she is in 2 movies this year and 1 last year.

 

[Micromind]

Thing is, there's no guarantee of what will be successful and what wouldn't be successful, running after a property that may or may not be profitable makes little business sense as opposed to making a movie based property that has greater chances of success.

After a few successful movies, they can afford to be bold and take chances with new unknown properties.

Which is why making sequels to Wonder Woman, Suicide squad is a better decision as opposed to making movies on Green Lantern, JL Dark, Black Adam and Cyborg.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

To do as has been stated and what's worked for others- take a chance on other characters that could do well. Why be pessimistic that they'll be middle of the road when they could end up being well-received? The general public may have wanted more Iron Man after Age of Ultron, but the MCU put out Ant Man directly following AoU instead. And then literally expanded him in Civil War.

It's not exactly unprecedented to take a chance on new characters and I'm not seeing here why DC shouldn't take that same risk other than people just wanting more Wonder Woman in lieu of how well the film has been received, that or them just not caring for the other characters, which is a perfectly acceptable reason for wanting one film over another, but again, not how it's always worked. I mean, if WW had been a bust, doubtful anyone would be clamoring that she get a sequel fast tracked over other DC properties. Obviously, that's not what happened, but no need to sideline other characters who DC may have in the pipeline.

Very good point. I personally want an MOS sequel as early as possible. I think WB fumbled with the IP to some extent to a sequel at the earliest after JL will bring him back to the forefront. I want the heavyweights like Flash, Green Lantern to have their solo movies ahead of other smaller players. But trying their hand at introducing new characters and establishing them is always welcome. You never know unless you give it a fair shot. I do hope WB will take chances and risks within the DCEU with unproven IPs. I would love that.

 

[Micromind]

WB has locked 2 release dates for 2020 (Feb & June)
I believe that Wonder Woman 2 will be scheduled for June 5, 2020.

It does seem like we will be getting WW2 in 2020!

Ugh, that could be for Gotham City Sirens and Cyborg.

 

[Willi Berg]

In all honesty if WB decided to scrap Gotham City Sirens and SS 2, I wouldn't care. There are other characters I'd rather see on screen.

I don't care much about Suicide Squad 2 but, I see the market in it (and there is a big market from the success of the first.) Maybe it will be good and right this time.

I really like the characters in Gotham City Sirens. I mean, hopefully it will be done well and this is a great chance for those characters.

Cyborg looks to be a different market. Maybe younger, tech-loving type of teen market. If he catches on after JL.

Black Adam? Meh. I'm not sure the market for that. Maybe wizards and The Rock wrestling fans. (Sorry for offence in advance.)

Ugh, that could be for Gotham City Sirens and Cyborg.

Let's just wait for the announcement. And then complain!

 

[Micromind]

Let's just wait for the announcement. And then complain!

We are speculating here, (which is why I used "could be" in my last post).

If they plan to release WW2 by 2020, I have no problem with that, I don't want the movie to be rushed.

But if it's later than that, I will complain.

 

[Willi Berg]

Thing is, there's no guarantee of what will be successful and what wouldn't be successful, running after a property that may or may not be profitable makes little business sense as opposed to making a movie based property that has greater chances of success.

After a few successful movies, they can afford to be bold and take chances with new unknown properties.

Which is why making sequels to Wonder Woman, Suicide squad is a better decision as opposed to making movies on Green Lantern, JL Dark, Black Adam and Cyborg.

WW does have a great team that looks to be ready to create a great sequel. Whilst Flash has been iffy and messy and uncertain. Green Lantern looks to be taking shape (I guess.) JL Dark sounds wobbly. Black Adam gets a from me and Cyborg could be cool.

I guess I am thinking more in terms of just liking that all these different DC movies are being made and the shared universe is growing bigger.

We are speculating here, (which is why I used "could be" in my last post).

If they plan to release WW2 by 2020, I have no problem with that, I don't want the movie to be rushed.

But if it's later than that, I will complain.

I am sure you will.

 

[-Arya-]

I don't care much about Suicide Squad 2 but, I see the market in it (and there is a big market from the success of the first.) Maybe it will be good and right this time.

I really like the characters in Gotham City Sirens. I mean, hopefully it will be done well and this is a great chance for those characters.

Cyborg looks to be a different market. Maybe younger, tech-loving type of teen market. If he catches on after JL.

Black Adam? Meh. I'm not sure the market for that. Maybe wizards and The Rock wrestling fans. (Sorry for offence in advance.)

Of course if the movies end up being good, I won't mind at all. The fact that David Ayer is still involved doesn't fill me with confidence though. I couldn't care less about Cyborg but maybe he will find a market out there. I love Black Adam so I am eager to see him on the big screen but at this point I doubt the Shazam! movie is getting made at all. We've had no updates on that one.

 

[Micromind]

I guess I am thinking more in terms of just liking that all these different DC movies are being made and the shared universe is growing bigger.

I fear they are bowing up this balloon too much too fast. t: