All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - Part 3

[Mad Love]

I would want Trevor to be made an honorary Amazon and his stay on Themyscira granted him longer life.

 

[jaymes_e06]

That sounds even more kitschy than the identical grandson scenario. I'd rather he get thrown into a time vortex or captured by one of the evil Gods Diana faces and they make him live in another dimension Hades or something of the sort and time works different their so he doesn't age.

 

[Captain Shazam]

Steve dying would make Diana's arc much more dramatic, intense and relateable. But Cris was obviously not hired for a single picture. He must have signed a multi-picture contract.

 

[Guts]

All this would be put to rest if and when we see Pine wearing modern clothes etc.

Maybe Said and Chris's characters in the movie are hipsters and they like to dress like it's the 1910's.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Steve dying would make Diana's arc much more dramatic, intense and relateable. But Cris was obviously not hired for a single picture. He must have signed a multi-picture contract.

That's why I think he should be captured or killed and resurrected by Hades/other god so that you can still get the emotional moment of him being captured/killed but also is able to have him come back in future installments.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't know what it would make her arc because I don't know the film's plot.

Anyway, I'm not going to tie myself up in knots about this. Steve Trevor is an adult in the 30's(?) so I assume he is dead in the present. I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment by hoping that he'll magically stay young.

My preference was a modern film, I don't get the past angle but I've whined about it before plenty of times and so I'm not going to anymore. I accept that the decision has been made, I'm still looking forward to the film and hope that it is good.

 

[KillerWolf]

That's why I think he should be captured or killed and resurrected by Hades/other god so that you can still get the emotional moment of him being captured/killed but also is able to have him come back in future installments.

Exactamundo.

I see no one bothered reading that essay of mine. Can't say I blame you.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Max Lord

 

[Mad Love]

The elaborate fan fiction is in full swing and people are getting attached to their own ideas.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Speculating for fun is part of the fandom process.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

I like the idea of Steve being imprisoned in a place where he is eternally fighting. It's actually something that has happened in the WW comics (with another characters) some times. IIRC, Hippolyta passed through this in the Perez run (staying on Hades with Herakles). There was also Hermes in the Rucka's run. And Zola for some months in the Azzarello's run. There may be more cases.

 

[KillerWolf]

I like the idea of Steve being imprisoned in a place where he is eternally fighting. It's actually something that has happened in the WW comics (with another characters) some times. IIRC, Hippolyta passed through this in the Perez run (staying on Hades with Herakles). There was also Hermes in the Rucka's run. And Zola for some months in the Azzarello's run. There may be more cases.

Well, I did have WW comics in mind (Azzarello's run primarily) when writing my "elaborate fan fiction".

I agree with Spidey though... we shouldn't get carried away with this, as we're only going to get disappointed in the end when it turns out that Steve is indeed dead.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

I just don't think he will actually be dead. The reasons might be completely different, but it really doesn't make sense to have him in a one-shot role. And not that they should be believed, but all the rumours said that he would be present in the modern day.

And ultimately, Johns is heavily involved in the project and he knows better than to kill Steve forever. He's fond of the character and has recently been reintroducing classic elements of Wonder Woman mythos.

Steve is important for the establishment of the character. He's been shuned away for decades, but the fact that he has made a huge comeback (he's probably being featured in more things now than he ever was) shows how relevant he is to Wonder Woman. He is the most important character to the WW lore alongside Hippolyta. This should happen in the cinematic universe.

And it's important to avoid the Wonderbats BS

 

[theotherme]

Heh, I certainly wouldn't make any assumptions about Trevor's status from one bts photo. There are tons of ways he can be preserved/transported/zapped whatever to move him from WW1 era to present day. I seriously wouldn't assume a figure as large in WWs canon world would be killed off that quickly - especially considering the potential for him to wind up working with the JL.

On a shallower note - Pine looking good! I dig that haircut on him.

 

[Mad Love]

Also, Johns was the one who raised Steve Trevor's importance in New 52 making him part of A.R.G.U.S. and the JL's liaison.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Well, I did have WW comics in mind (Azzarello's run primarily) when writing my "elaborate fan fiction".

It's funny because Chiang said the original idea was to make a story similar to Peggy Carter

Originally we wanted to embrace all of Wonder Woman’s publishing history, so she was a lot older than she looked. We were going to have her around in the 40’s as a crazy European folk tale fighting Nazi’s. Steve Trevor would now be an old man, and she would be there for him in the hospital as he died. But with the New 52 reboot all the WW II stuff went away which I missed. It would have been great to do a 1940s or 1960s Wonder Woman.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Hey... what if the movie is not set in the modern day at all?
I remember some of the rumors that the solo movies would be set in different times. The first one would be in WWI, the sequel would be in the WWII...

So what if it's true, and they make the sequel on WWII, and the third movie during late Cold War, where Steve would be old and would die? It would be 3 movies with Pine and his death would have much more meaning.

 

[KillerWolf]

I just don't think he will actually be dead. The reasons might be completely different, but it really doesn't make sense to have him in a one-shot role. And not that they should be believed, but all the rumours said that he would be present in the modern day.

And ultimately, Johns is heavily involved in the project and he knows better than to kill Steve forever. He's fond of the character and has recently been reintroducing classic elements of Wonder Woman mythos.

Steve is important for the establishment of the character. He's been shuned away for decades, but the fact that he has made a huge comeback (he's probably being featured in more things now than he ever was) shows how relevant he is to Wonder Woman. He is the most important character to the WW lore alongside Hippolyta. This should happen in the cinematic universe.

And it's important to avoid the Wonderbats BS

This might be the biggest reason I want him to be alive actually. Yeah, I know... but I really hate the idea of that pairing, or paring Diana with any Leaguer as a matter of fact.

Anyway, I do agree with you to some extent. Though argument "they wouldn't cast Pine for one shot role" is completely invalid to me. They cast much bigger names for such roles.

Still, Johns' involvement and them wanting to differentiate themselves from "Captain America" (and I guess now would is the time when it would be useful if I actually saw first CA film t lead me to believe that they might indeed keep Trevor alive.

As I said, it was essential to make him part of Diana's origins as Wonder Woman and if Ares is indeed the villain, it makes sense to tie him with WWI, so that's why they'd have to put him in that time period, but it doesn't mean they have to kill him. Especially since there is an easy solution with Olympians, their realm or Paradise Island. But we'll see... it all depends on what kind of story they want to tell. I genuinely think that they might keep him alive, but I also wouldn't be surprised in a least if he turns up to be dead in our time.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Though argument "they wouldn't cast Pine for one shot role" is completely invalid to me. They cast much bigger names for such roles.

But that's the thing... he has enough of a big name to be wanted for more than one movie, but also not so much of a big name to be in only one (?)

I mean, big name actors might be wanted for just one movie. They cost more. They generally have lots of other works to do. They don't want to stick to franchises...
And low profile actors who aren't protagonists generally have one-shot roles.

Pine is in the middle.

 

[KillerWolf]

It's funny because Chiang said the original idea was to make a story similar to Peggy Carter

Heh, didn't know about this. To tell you the truth, it never made sense to me that Diana is in her twenties in New 52 (twenty-three in Azzarello's run), given that Amazons, Hippolyta included, are thousands of years old (for most part, there are offsprings as result of seducing sailors).

Hey... what if the movie is not set in the modern day at all?
I remember some of the rumors that the solo movies would be set in different times. The first one would be in WWI, the sequel would be in the WWII...

So what if it's true, and they make the sequel on WWII, and the third movie during late Cold War, where Steve would be old and would die? It would be 3 movies with Pine and his death would have much more meaning.

That's possible, though them wanting to tie it to another DCEU films set in current timeline (BvS primarily) leads me to believe in that rumor about film taking place in several time periods.

 

[Bullseye1]

Steve dying would make Diana's arc much more dramatic, intense and relateable. But Cris was obviously not hired for a single picture. He must have signed a multi-picture contract.

Flashbacks like they do all the time on Arrow?

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Maybe Ares is involved in the JL movies, it could tie to the solo movies.
I think it's a viable option with WW being old... having her in past times in the solo movies, and in modern times with the JL. It's a way to explore all the possibilities that having a immortal character brings.

 

[KillerWolf]

But that's the thing... he has enough of a big name to be wanted for more than one movie, but also not so much of a big name to be in only one (?)

I mean, big name actors might be wanted for just one movie. They cost more. They generally have lots of other works to do. They don't want to stick to franchises...
And low profile actors who aren't protagonists generally have one-shot roles.

Pine is in the middle.

Hmm.... your reasoning does make sense, but I still don't think it is all that much determinant. It's not something of a rule, so we can claim for sure one or the other. There's plenty of reasons to have him in a one-shot role as well as a recurring one.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Sure, it's just something that makes me believe he's going to be in more movies, but it's not fact.

 

[KillerWolf]

Maybe Ares is involved in the JL movies, it could tie to the solo movies.
I think it's a viable option with WW being old... having her in past times in the solo movies, and in modern times with the JL. It's a way to explore all the possibilities that having a immortal character brings.

That's quite possible. So if Ares returns, that means he won't be played by Sean Bean after all.

And I also like the possibilities that centuries old Diana opens.