Along with these changes will it include making Thing look right?

[Kelly]

It doesn't do me any good either.

I'd rather have a much better movie, a true Fantastic Four movie, with less BO than that crap wrapped up in money for Fox's greedy hands.

And I guess the question will always be.....which would the movie going audience liked better......a question we will never know the answer to, nor am I going to answer for them...

 

[Mr Sensitive]

When a filmmaker makes his film, he should not allow the disturbing idea of what would this abstract construct (movie going audience) like better.

There is great probability that this audience doesn't even know what they'll like better. They're there to watch.

A filmmaker should do the best movie, considering its source (in that case, the great FF comicbooks), conveying all that made the comicbook that great.

Someone will have to hammer it inside Story's head.

 

[Kelly]

When a filmmaker makes his film, he should not allow the disturbing idea of what would this abstract construct (movie going audience) like better.

There is great probability that this audience doesn't even know what they'll like better. They're there to watch.

A filmmaker should do the best movie, considering its source (in that case, the great FF comicbooks), conveying all that made the comicbook that great.

Someone will have to hammer it inside Story's head.

Of course not, why would a filmmaker want to make a film that people enjoy.....how stupid of me to think that....

 

[Mr Sensitive]

Of course not, why would a filmmaker want to make a film that people enjoy.....how stupid of me to think that....

So, the innuendo behind these words is that: people will only enjoy it if they indulge in making such a crap & messing with great tales?

I disagree. People liked much more than that the LOTR, for instance. And many other great movies, as well.

 

[Kelly]

So, the innuendo behind these words is that: people will only enjoy it if they indulge in making such a crap & messing with great tales?

I disagree. People liked much more than that the LOTR, for instance. And many other great movies, as well.

No what I am saying is.....people enjoy what they enjoy! People have different thoughts about what they like and don't like....What is crap to one person, may not be to another....we've had this discussion before so I'm not going to go through it again....every movie does not have to be the perfect adaptation, the next Godfather, for people to enjoy it...there will always be people who hate whatever....if I can go into a movie, laugh alittle, cry alittle, jump, get excited, whoop here and there a few aaaahhhh's.....I've had a great time and the movie did exactly what the movie was supposed to do...ENTERTAIN ME....thats what I paid my $10 bucks for + my drink and goodies. Is everyone going to feel the same way I do.....no.....nor do I expect them to....do I care if the critics liked it or not.....no.....because I make up my own mind. Do I care if they followed some experts view of what good film is all about? no.....if I enjoyed it......I enjoyed it.......in this case, if parents can take their kids into see the movie, if the guy can take his girlfriend into see the movie...if I can go with friends and family to see the movie and we enjoy it.....then Story has done in my view....EXACTLY what he was supposed to do....Is anyone going to change my view from that? Probably not, I've had that same view going into every single movie I've ever seen for way into 3 decades.....don't see it changing!

BTW, I fell asleep in alot of movies, that some (thinking their minds much greater than mine) thought were GREAT MOVIES!...

 

[Agent 194]

Yes, I agree, it was quite effective.
And there's no reason why they couldn't do this with Chiklis. Show him in close-up a lot, with only minimal CGI enhancement, then layer CGI over him for full body shots. As far as I'm concerned, there could be half as many full body shots of him - if they work.
Again, I don't want to lose Chiklis' face in all this. I don't want a Hulk-type effect; I want Chiklis' great performance incorporated into a Hulk-type effect.
I think it can and should be done.

Here's where I feel the need to jump back in. I have felt and stated this before. . .I look at what they did with Nightcrawler in X-2. They could have endlessly CGI'd his feet to look like hoofs on screen - instead I think they made a very wise decision. They just showed them less. I think if they showed Thing as he should be. . .and just be selective about what they show, how they show it; kind of a less is more approach, I could live with that. I would almost rather that see that Thing over the Thing who distracted me because he was obvously in a suit. We pretty much saw him ugly, exposed pores and all.

 

[Mr Sensitive]

No what I am saying is.....people enjoy what they enjoy! People have different thoughts about what they like and don't like....What is crap to one person, may not be to another....we've had this discussion before so I'm not going to go through it again....every movie does not have to be the perfect adaptation, the next Godfather, for people to enjoy it...there will always be people who hate whatever....if I can go into a movie, laugh alittle, cry alittle, jump, get excited, whoop here and there a few aaaahhhh's.....I've had a great time and the movie did exactly what the movie was supposed to do...ENTERTAIN ME....thats what I paid my $10 bucks for + my drink and goodies. Is everyone going to feel the same way I do.....no.....nor do I expect them to....do I care if the critics liked it or not.....no.....because I make up my own mind. Do I care if they followed some experts view of what good film is all about? no.....if I enjoyed it......I enjoyed it.......in this case, if parents can take their kids into see the movie, if the guy can take his girlfriend into see the movie...if I can go with friends and family to see the movie and we enjoy it.....then Story has done in my view....EXACTLY what he was supposed to do....Is anyone going to change my view from that? Probably not, I've had that same view going into every single movie I've ever seen for way into 3 decades.....don't see it changing!

BTW, I fell asleep in alot of movies, that some (thinking their minds much greater than mine) thought were GREAT MOVIES!...

Well, JMAfan, carissima,

if it is just passing entertainment you're after, then that's fine: you've got it already, as you said.

People can talk about how Alba is hot and nice, how Evans looks really good in that blue outfit, etc, etc, etc. That is entertaining, surely.

I'm still crossing my fingers for a great FF movie. What could I say to you?

And if you really think cinema is just ten bucks, drinking and eating, plus a bit of entertainment, what a poor experience it is.


PS: I don't care what critics say, either. Meaning: not because they're critics.
But then again, I'm no blockhead concerning good points. And I cannot feel satisfied with a bad movie just because I didn't sleep through its one hour and a half.

 

[Malus]

And if you really think cinema is just ten bucks, drinking and eating, plus a bit of entertainment, what a poor experience it is.

Um...That's not what JMAfan said at all.

And I cannot feel satisfied with a bad movie just because I didn't sleep through its one hour and a half.

And she said nothing about being satisfied with sleeping through a boring movie. Only that she has fallen asleep in movies others considered great.

If I'm ever at a loss for words, perhaps you could put some in my mouth.

(Jeez, was that ever a straight line.)

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Can't we get a "FF sucked . . . did not . . . did too . . . did not times infinity" thread started somewhere to prevent every thread being turned into one?

 

[Kelly]

Can't we get a "FF sucked . . . did not . . . did too . . . did not times infinity" thread started somewhere to prevent every thread being turned into one?

Ummmmm....yeah???? but ummmm....I don't think thats what I said. But....ok.

Actually that thread should be on the other forum...cause this is the F4 2 forum, and well..........I'm looking forward to a sequel, full of fun, excitment, makes me laugh and cry and over all have a good time with my drink and goodies......hows that?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ummmmm....yeah???? but ummmm....I don't think thats what I said. But....ok.

LOL I wasn't commenting on anyone's particular post, and I'm not blaming anyone. It just seems like every thread on every topic eventually degrades into very broad argements about the strengths and weakness' of the first film.

It just seems like if we had a thread devoted to the overall quality (since that what it seems most people want to discuss) we could keep some of these other threads focused on the individual topics.

 

[Malus]

Can't we get a "FF sucked . . . did not . . . did too . . . did not times infinity" thread started somewhere to prevent every thread being turned into one?

No kidding.
It should have a poll attached to it, too, with those exact choices..."Sucked"..."Did not"... "Did Too"..."Did not times infinity."
That would be just about perfect.
I can just see some guy with taped-together glasses, typing furiously... "I'm voting 'Did not suck times infinity!' "

Yeah, FF sucked.
It sucked 330 million dollars out of the moviegoing public, baby.

Now here comes the usual "So if a movie makes a ton of money that automatically makes it a good movie?"
Yawn.

 

[Kelly]

No kidding.
It should have a poll attached to it, too, with those exact choices..."Sucked"..."Did not"... "Did Too"..."Did not times infinity."
That would be just about perfect.
I can just see some guy with taped-together glasses, typing furiously... "I'm voting 'Did not suck times infinity!' "

Yeah, FF sucked.
It sucked 330 million dollars out of the moviegoing public, baby.

Now here comes the usual "So if a movie makes a ton of money that automatically makes it a good movie?"
Yawn.

Well guys, be ready...because once filming starts and this place picks up...we will get new people in daily with the same stuff that some have been saying for the past 3 months....on both sides....its the reality of these boards.....and yes its a "yawn".

 

[Mr Sensitive]

Um...That's not what JMAfan said at all.



And she said nothing about being satisfied with sleeping through a boring movie. Only that she has fallen asleep in movies others considered great.

If I'm ever at a loss for words, perhaps you could put some in my mouth.

(Jeez, was that ever a straight line.)

In fact, Malus, she did say it.

I'll even help you with a direct quotation from her post: "I've had a great time and the movie did exactly what the movie was supposed to do...ENTERTAIN ME....thats what I paid my $10 bucks for + my drink and goodies."

And I didn't say she said she was satisfied in just not sleeping through a movie. I said I couldn't be satisfied with it.

Talk about putting words in one's mouth.

 

[Kelly]

LOL I wasn't commenting on anyone's particular post, and I'm not blaming anyone. It just seems like every thread on every topic eventually degrades into very broad argements about the strengths and weakness' of the first film.

It just seems like if we had a thread devoted to the overall quality (since that what it seems most people want to discuss) we could keep some of these other threads focused on the individual topics.

But Willie.....that happened in the F4 forum as well....it seemed that every topic moved to what was wrong with Doom.....it happens......how do we stop it.....well people that know what the hell they are talking about when it comes to the F4 step up, and speak their mind. Not just a few.

 

[Malus]

In fact, Malus, she did say it.

I'll even help you with a direct quotation from her post: "I've had a great time and the movie did exactly what the movie was supposed to do...ENTERTAIN ME....thats what I paid my $10 bucks for + my drink and goodies."


And I didn't say she said she was satisfied in just not sleeping through a movie. I said I couldn't be satisfied with it.

Talk about putting words in one's mouth.

No, what you said was:

If you really think cinema is just ten bucks, drinking and eating, plus a bit of entertainment, what a poor experience it is.

That is putting words in her mouth by recharacterizing what she said.

And all I read into her statement was an assertion that a movie's primary job is to entertain. And guess what? It is. I'm sure Frank Capra, Orson Welles, Steven Spielberg and even Steven Soderbergh would all agree.
And you can bet the studio heads would, as well.
Great films can do much more, of course. No question.
But job one? Entertain.

 

[Mr Sensitive]

No, what you said was:


That is putting words in her mouth by recharacterizing what she said.

And all I read into her statement was an assertion that a movie's primary job is to entertain. And guess what? It is. I'm sure Frank Capra, Orson Welles, Steven Spielberg and even Steven Soderbergh would all agree.
And you can bet the studio heads would, as well.
Great films can do much more, of course. No question.
But job one? Entertain.

Malus, I frankly don't know why you are doing that, but, anyway.

Again: I didn't say she said that.

Take a good look in what you put in bold. There is an IF starting the sentence.

Please, read before accusing people with the voracity you accuse me.

I don't put words in other's mouth. That's just silly of you to say that.

What JMAfan did say is what you tried to subvert, and to what I called your attention in my last post.

Plus:No job done till a good movie is achieved.

Your list of filmmakers would agree with that. And I'm not talking about masterpieces like The Godfather. I said "a good movie".

X2 is a good movie. Batman Begins is a good movie. FF is not.

 

[Malus]

Take a good look in what you put in bold. There is an IF starting the sentence.

Yes, I noticed the "if." That's why I bolded it.

"And if you really think cinema is just ten bucks, drinking and eating, plus a bit of entertainment, what a poor experience it is."

Perhaps I should have bolded "...what a poor experience it is."
Because I find that more than a tad condescending.
But maybe I read more into it than was intended.

X2 is a good movie. Batman Begins is a good movie. FF is not.

In your opinion. (A phrase that is too often lacking on these boards.)
In my opinion, I don't think any of those are truly good movies.

 

[Kelly]

Malus, my dear friend......the reason "in my opinion", "IMO" is used so little around these parts is because.....well some feel their opinion is above such words.....their opinion is based on things you and I cannot see or hear (knowledge they may or may not have) therefore because their opinion is based on their knowledge that we can't see or hear.... "IMO" in their opinion...(lol) is not needed and is almosst condescending to their posts

 

[Mr Sensitive]

Yes, I noticed the "if." That's why I bolded it.


Perhaps I should have bolded "...what a poor experience it is."
Because I find that more than a tad condescending.
But maybe I read more into it than was intended.


In your opinion. (A phrase that is too often lacking on these boards.)
In my opinion, I don't think any of those are truly good movies.

So if you noticed that I had the care of using a conditional, you shouldn't transform it into an argument.

When I said "what a poor experience it is" every single word has meaning, and they express exactly the situation. If that is the case, then it is, indeed, a poor experience. Condescension is not frank, and I was frank.

"In my opinion" applies only when dealing with opinions. I see people around here are touchy about stating a thing without the help of a cheap relativism.

I respect the taste of others, but I'm not discussing taste (and I wouldn't).

Considering superhero movies, the two I mentioned are good movies, and FF is bad. That's no opinion.

 

[Kelly]

So if you noticed that I had the care of using a conditional, you shouldn't transform it into an argument.

When I said "what a poor experience it is" every single word has meaning, and they express exactly the situation. If that is the case, then it is, indeed, a poor experience. Condescension is not frank, and I was frank.

"In my opinion" applies only when dealing with opinions. I see people around here are touchy about stating a thing without the help of a cheap relativism.

I respect the taste of others, but I'm not discussing taste (and I wouldn't).

Considering superhero movies, the two I mentioned are good movies, and FF is bad. That's no opinion.

So those of my friends that said it was good, theres is just an opinion then?

Those that have come here stating they really enjoyed the movie and that they thought it was good, theres is just an opinion......BUT yours is not? YOURS is fact...

I think I'm beginning to understand....

 

[Malus]

"In my opinion" applies only when dealing with opinions.

Okay.

Considering superhero movies, the two I mentioned are good movies, and FF is bad. That's no opinion.

Well of course that's an opinion.
Just because you don't consider it an opinion doesn't make it anything other than your opinion.
The distinction is as plain as the nose on your face.
Unless you call that something else...?
Jeezus.

 

[Kelly]

Malus.....Malus.....

People with "assumed knowledge" around here speak in objective facts...

People with "the enjoyment of what they see on the screen" speak in subjective opinions...

I've finally figured it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Malus]

Malus.....Malus.....

People with "assumed knowledge" around here speak in objective facts...

People with "the enjoyment of what they see on the screen" speak in subjective opinions...

I've finally figured it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe you have.

 

[Mr Sensitive]

So those of my friends that said it was good, theres is just an opinion then?

Those that have come here stating they really enjoyed the movie and that they thought it was good, theres is just an opinion......BUT yours is not? YOURS is fact...

I think I'm beginning to understand....

To your first question, JMAfan: of course. Or you could have given very good arguments in contrary.

I didn't say "mine", as if I had discovered America. Any person who understands a bit of cinema will tell you the same. If not, ask them to explain why is it a good movie.

A clue: arguments like "it has a great BO", or "I liked it and had fun with it" are just decoys of "I don't know what I'm talking about", or "it's my taste".

I gave a good deal of arguments against this movie. Never seen 1 argument to sustain its good quality as a movie here nor anywhere. Do you know where I can find one?